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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez holds a slight lead over Vice President JD Vance in a hypothetical 2028 presidential matchup, according to a new poll.
The New York Democratic congresswoman, known as AOC, edges the likely Republican nominee 51% to 49%, in The Argument/Verasight survey released on Tuesday. However, the result was within the poll’s 2.7 percentage point margin of error, making the two candidates statistically tied. The poll asked voters who they would vote for if the election was between the two of them.
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51?
This is what’s wrong with people.
Even if trump had lost the election I was gonna be horrified if he had even gotten 30% of the votes. But this… Again. It doesn’t matter if AOC wins if half the country is basically saying, after all this, they want more.
These numbers mean absolutely fucking nothing. They could have surveyed people if they thought a rotten apple or pile of shit had a chance to win the white house and it would have been 49% to 51%
I greatly fear that if AOC were to run, the terminally online left would pull the rug out from under her.
Any time she’s ever done any action that went not 100% in favor of the delusional mindset of idiots who think single politicians can usher in perfect communism, the TOL screamed bloody murder and withdrew all support and hype.
The same would happen in Nov 2028
The actual left is almost completely irrelevant to any election
Yeah, I’ve already seen some of the idiots saying she’s a corpo-centrist they wouldn’t vote for.
The perfect candidate will come around for them eventually, and until then- they will arrogantly sit on their smug little entitled asses and watch people suffer while America burns.
They’re every bit as bad a MAGA.
AOC isnt running for President, they already promised her Schumer’s seat if she backs off for President. Gavin is the Next One Up!
That’s what’s so disgusting and I fear.
Gavin Newsom is pro-Israel, pro-billionaire and pro-blue MAGA while also being anti-universal healthcare, anti-taxing the rich and anti-charisma when left to his own vices.
My sincerest fear is a repeat of the 2020 primaries. Ro Khanna or some other Bernie esc politician will run for the ticket and the left will once again divide themselves into oblivion. Bernie could still have won 2020 if the left didn’t stupidly allow itself to split between Elizabeth Warren, Tulsi Gabbard, and Andrew Yang.
Instead Newsom will win because the left loves defeat and hates unity.
Gavin will lose, so I hope you’re wrong about that.
No, Gavin has a key asset that the last two Democratic losing candidates (who were also the Next Ones Up) lacked…
A penis.
AOC didn’t support Gaza and is not communist enough!!! I will protest vote Jill Stein or not vote at all.
- Tankies and oblivious leftists (these people are the reason progressive causes never go anywhere).
Yeah, I have the same fears. These people are probably way more vocal than their numbers, but I do wonder how much they do to sway others.
I’m not sure the terminally online left you mention make up a significant enough portion of any electorate to impact the race in this way.
Then they need to stop claiming that their threats make a difference.
Mamdani had not even started his term and has already being cancel by the TOL.
And notice how that was irrelevant to his election and then later opinion polls? Tankies are a tiny sliver of the progressive left. Like my entire real life social circle leans strongly progressive and not a single one even filters through the shadow of a tankie position. People who would literally like Communism to be on the political table still aren’t tankies.
That doesn’t mean progressives are irrelevant, just that ‘tankies’ are used as a Boogeyman by conservative online Democrats to simultaneously explain all their failures while also saying we should keep listening to them when they counsel doing exactly the same thing one more time.
JFC, “JD” “Vance” is about as appealing as a bucket of piss. How in the fuck is this even close?
I get it - AOC doesn’t have a dong and so a lot of mouthbreathers rule her out on that alone. But still, Christ. This is the stupid bootlick that called Donvict a Nazi and is now his VP and sits there and chastises one of our allies like some kind of cartoon bully.
America has repeatedly proven it will not vote for a woman, no matter how qualified she is
Nah, I just think you personally are sexist and are looking to voters to validate your beliefs. Americans will vote for a women candidate. They just won’t vote for an uninspiring third way Democrat, whether they have a vag or not.
The women who were presented to America had many more problems than their gender. I’m not discounting the reality that a woman has to be exceptional to be considered adequate by the electorate, but “America will not vote for a woman” is true until it’s not.
We’ve proven we don’t like centrist women with status quo platforms pretty convincingly. Anything more is speculative imo.
I guarantee you a far left woman like AOC is not going to get elected. Too many independents think she’s too far left. The right can win by being extreme right. The left can’t win by being extreme left. Not in this shithole.
It’d be good if we could define things like “far left”. AOC may be progressive, but not sure she’s really far left anything.
She’s about where the Democrats used to be and supposedly stood for at one time. Probably pre-Clinton for sure. The Republicans have been dragging the window to the right for years and years and all the money in politics sure ain’t helping.
Nothing about affordable health care and not trying to actively poison the planet as much as possible is extreme left
That’s what they said about far left black men until Obama came along running as a progressive and won handily. For some reason we didn’t learn any lessons from that and went right back to boring centrist candidates afterwards.
And yet it’s elected centrist man after centrist man. Funny, that.
The last time there was another option on the table he became the first black president in our nation’s history. Perhaps there’s a lesson to be learned there.
I think it’s a stretch to say Obama wasn’t centrist, but really it’s irrelevant. US voters were fine with voting in centrist men in if they were appealing enough, but once a centrist woman is put up, they’ll let a self-confessed wannabe dictator into office with hardly a fight.
Obama certainly acted like a centrist but that’s not how he campaigned which means that’s not what won him the election.
Again, irrelevant. Also, he won twice, so his initial campaign wasn’t the end all be all, either.
Yes, they’d vote for a male neoliberal instead of a female neoliberal.
That doesn’t mean they’d vote for a male conservative over a female progressive.
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America voted for Clinton
Yeah irc she won the popular vote. Unfortunately it’s the electoral collage vote that wins you elections.
So the issue is not Clinton being a woman but the issue is the political system that americans never tried to change
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Kamala?
Ok, yes, true, but Kamala never was chosen via the primary process, she was just forced on us as the default choice.
The only women they had to choose from were members of the establishment.
Let’s get a progressive out there and that way we have more data and can be more scientific about our analysis.
Narrowly is not enough.
The election isn’t won by getting the most total votes which means getting more than 50%+1 of liberal states isn’t worth anything and losing 1% of swing states loses you the whole thing.
Anyone who is statistically tied with couch fucker is not a great bet
Prolly shouldn’t take betting advice from anyone making that kind of inference based on a poll years away from an election.
You are commenting on an article which is discussing only whether or not AOC could win the presidency years away based entirely on said poll. Are you stupid or did you forget?
It isn’t that hard to suppose that a substantial minority wont vote for a woman, a person of color, or someone they associate with Muslims (she is actually Catholic).
We learned that its fatal to put up someone who inspires people to stay home but it is likely worrisome to tick too many boxes as far as implicit bias. Look what they tried to do to Barrack “Husein” Obama. We are if anything else more divided, more ready to believe lies, more susceptible to bias compared to 2008.
Furthermore Vance is a particularly uninspiring person. He is gross and indeed right up there with Cruz in likeability.
It is absolutely notable that a competent person with a history of actual competence and decency is barely tied with Vance.
People didn’t want Kamala because she wasn’t democratically elected as the leader of the party in a primary so they let full blown fascism take over instead. They felt it was more important to send the Democrats a message instead of actually keeping some minimal form of democracy and freedom. 🙄
So they’ll probably not vote for AOC if she becomes leader of the Democratic party anyway because of some minor excuse, like how she supported Israel’s right to exist, or something. And the US will end up with a third Trump mandate.
I hope the US will prove me wrong. My hope in Americans doing the right thing is pretty low.
Kamala pr was so terrible that she lost because of the issue of economy and border protection
why the fuck are we even entertaining who is going to be the next when we are not even one year into this current nazi’s 2nd regime?
is news that slow?
The parties and media companies have extended the campaign window for presidency to absurd lengths. It’s essentially a two year campaign window with 6-12 months of preparation and testing the waters. Now is when candidates are conducting research to see what their odds would be.
No place to see the “rules” here (so that mods can snipe you for any reason) so not allowed to say it without breaking precious feelings.
Not on mobile.
I really enjoyed following your red line for some reason.
What?
The fact that its even a contest shows you how stupid America is
Newsweek, go figure. It’s too early for her to run for pres. AOC needs to take Schumer’s seat first, then become pres after one or two terms loudly pushing for (and hopefully passing) good legislation.
If she runs now, it will inevitably fail and torpedo her future chances. Which is exactly what these goons are hoping for. Hope she doesn’t take the bait.
And how has this kind of cowardly thinking served our party recently?
It’s not about bravery, she simply isn’t ready yet and needs to level up first by doing meaningful things in the senate. She’s too constrained in the house for that, and a jump to presidential run at this stage would be disastrous because she hasn’t had the opportunity yet to do things which meaningfully impact the lives of voters.
Think about how much more effective her push for M4A will be after 4 years of a shitlib like Newsom claiming sky-high insurance premiums is the best we can do. If she tries it now, the establishment will be able to leverage the heavily propagandized voting populace with their usual rhetorical tricks and she’ll be stopped.
“Not ready?” The realty show candidate just won two terms and won complete control of Congress. The electorate simply doesn’t give a shit about whether a candidate has a suitably long resume of elected positions. Honestly, a long political resume is actually a detriment in today’s landscape.
You do not know what electability is.
That’s right, she isn’t ready at all. And if she manages to get into office while Schumer and Jeffries are still there, they will torpedo any good policy she proposes. They have to go first, simple as.
Btw, I’m not talking about electability. I’m talking about getting the job done and passing meaningful reform.
The quickest way to purge the party of the corporate Dems is to get a progressive elected as president. Look at how radically Trump has reshaped the Republican party. A president popular among their party has the ability to completely reshape the policy direction of a party. Trump radically reshaped the Republican party, and the Democratic party is still in the form that it was shaped by the Clintons during the 90s. Trump remade the party in his image. AOC would do the same for the Democratic party.
Trump was able to achieve this due to a cult of personality. Those on the left don’t work that way.
I agree that Dems are stuck in a helpless cycle of neoliberalism which has existed since even before the Clinton admin, beginning back in the 80s when they decided to start chasing corporate cash instead of doing right by the working class. Dems have consistently lost ground ever since, because no matter how subservient they are to corporate interests, the republicans will find ways to be worse and give them even more, and so Repugs always win that donor game anyway.
In order to transform the democrats, the corporate shills must be ousted first. AOC is in a perfect position to get rid of Schumer, one of the absolute worst offenders (and Israeli terrorist boot licker to boot). She has the name recognition, she has the clout and momentum, and she’s in New York. She can primary his ass and get rid of that major obstacle, loudly push for and hopefully pass some much needed reform, then hand pick her successor before ascending to the White House after 1 senate term. It just requires a little patience and coordination, but this is what good political strategy looks like.
We shall have to see what comes to pass, but if she rushes it in ‘28 she will be sabotaged by the establishment politicians and possibly never recover.
As we’ve seen in every election from 2016 on, election polling is useless now.
No.
People just don’t understand how stats actually works.
What you’re doing is no different than claiming any other science you don’t understand is fake
Since 2012. Remember when Herman Caine was the Republican nominee for a hot second? 🤣
Prediction markets were correct though.
The only polling that has any almost meaningful numbers is post vote polling but even that is suspect
alexandria ocasio-cortez should indeed run for president. seriously!
Ahh yes… The very free and fair 2028 elections we’ll being having. The Republicans definitely won’t try every trick in the book to manipulate them or stop them outright. Nevermind establishment Dems fucking over primaries to shoehorn in their milquetoast candidates, while fucking over actual progressives!
I am so looking forward to voting our way out of fascism/ a dictatorship, as has absolutely been exhibited to work multiple times through history.
My fucking neighbor has a Trump 2028 sticker right under his Israeli flag
Historically strong state men love minorities and Jewish in particular
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what would lenin do?
we need socialism
I suspect that we will find that lead ballots hold more weight, when it comes to voting.
Awww, that’s fun. People think we’re going to have an election in 2028.
You think you’ll have elections again? Lmao
