Context: PugJesus often spams low quality posts across the dozen or so communities they mod, apparently downvoting low effort spam on my frontpage is trolling. The only other action in the modlog is a different ban for 74 years for “Mass downvoting innocuous content,” so it definitely seems they are just banning people that dislike their spam. Glad we’re not missing out on the reddit mod experience here.
One could always curate their own feed instead.
I do, but I also like going on all to see what is out there. Unfortunately it can get buried when the same person is spamming a dozen submissions in a couple hours.
Then block the user.
Just block him?
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I think if you’re downvoting posts just because you feel the person sharing them is spamming, especially in a community you don’t contribute to, you should just block the person instead of putting a metaphorical thumb on the scale in community you don’t care about.
Are you not familiar with pug?
I am, I’ve never run into any issues with them personally.
Well I find that hard to believe, but that’s not quite what I asked. I said are you familiar with them. More specifically how they post. Because you must know they post like 150 posts a day. Spamming simultaniously all across multiple communities usually very low effort brain rot quality posts. It is extremely easy to end up down voting a lot of their posts. In fact if you have any Integrity you probably are going to end up down voting a lot of their stuff.
Now I certainly agree that blocking them is the easier, and far more intelligent option. But if you don’t pay attention to who’s posting things it’s very easy not to realize you’re down voting the same person over and over. And I don’t think most people do. Unless they have that user tagged or something.
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It’s not forbidden, but also don’t act surprised when whoever you’re downvoting excludes you from their community, which shouldn’t be a big loss to begin with.
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I don’t see any specific rules for the grimdank community, but piefed.social does have this instance rule:
2. Spam and Malicious Behavior
- No spamming, flooding, or advertising without permission.
- No scams, phishing attempts, or distribution of malware.
- No brigading, vote manipulation, or coordinated harassment.
I could see a case for arguing it’s vote manipulation, although I feel that’s kind of a reach. I just find it weird to get annoyed that someone is posting too much in a shitpost meme sub. Browsing the All feed and getting annoyed with that feels akin to going to a club and being annoyed there’s loud music. Just block the poster bothering you and move on.
It’s a pretty bad idea to down vote everything the mod of a community posts, even if it deserves it
Ugh, Pugjesus, no surprises here
What’s your experience with them?
They post a lot of content in some historical artifact community, and they seem very cordial and nice there. Might even be Swedish, but not sure about that.
You’re not surprised about what exactly, out of curiosity?
To me? Nothing. However I have seen many people post getting bans from them for super petty reasons, like downvoting a post.I have also seen this person be a point of contention a few times in some more shitposty places. So I just tend to avoid commenting on anything they post.
Never would’ve guessed they had an ego this fragile. Disappointing.
I like the historical artifacts posts AND I’ve seen PG be a dick. I try to encourage the good in him through positive reinforcement.
Unfortunately, my experience with social media has been that a lot of the most visible posters often are touchy, and can be a little domineering where they can. I look at his history posts, like the art ones, etc. However, unless I specifically have something to say that fully within the confines of the subject, and not negative, I will not post. In other spaces I block them. This isn’t necessarily PJ I am talking about either, this is a broader thing with these platforms. It is what it is I guess.
Sounds like an unfortunate phenomenon. People who post a lot on social media, especially online communities, might have limited social lives compared to people who don’t post a lot. And thus they might… define themselves a little bit, by the success of their posts? Perhaps? That’s what I’m thinking. And so they become very defensive and protective of their online presence and it’s a fragile thing for them if it’s a large part of who they are.
I post a fair bit compared to the average user, but that’s only because I recently moved away so my social life is absolute shit right now.
I’ve interacted with quite a few of the top posters here, most have been pretty chill if not genuinely motivated to build communities, at least in my experience. But, I agree that spending too much time on social media can be unhealthy. I had a near breakdown and had to cut myself off years ago when I was a monster of a teenage moderator, so I try not to judge too harshly and stay aware of my mood on here.
Aside from what has already been said a lot of that history is stuff on the caliber of “Rome invented roads!”.
The communities I’m subscribed to have a lot of interesting things, like the historical artifacts one. But it is often just pictures… You have to ask for more info, but it’s usually provided after that.
But I can imagine what you’re saying as well. 😅
There are definitely treasure troves of interesting things in wikipedia. Asking for more info or context though often risks this kinda thread, unfortunately.
Why is all the drama always about one guy. I think this is at least the third “front page” post I have seen involving drama with this guy in just a few months.
Can’t we just implement some reasonable go touch grass cooldown period. No modding or posting from that account or IPs associated with his account for 90 days.
If its a problem as soon as he’s back then 180 days next time.
Meanwhile PugJesus is banned from db0 due to stalking and mass downvoting my account, and said the admins were abusing authority for banning him while he confessed doing it with joy.
What a joke of a person he is. At least he’s started to into his own echo chamber instead of trying to convert spaces into his own. I remember when he would mass report people disagreeing with him, while giving citations that said he was wrong. The mods told him to stop reporting people who weren’t breaking any rules, and he told them to do it anyways.
Needless to say, PTB.
I remember when he would mass report people disagreeing with him
I saw four such reports from him today. Two were ostensibly over someone being inadequately suspicious of a North Korean working for Amazon. The other two were ostensibly over people making political comments in an explicitly political post.
He also immediately screenshot the comment you’re replying to after the thread was 2 days old. He’s obsessed with people talking about his actions and thinks they’re worse than the fascists in office he does nothing about.
https://lemvotes.org/user/abbotsbury@lemmy.world
IDK why you find the history memes stuff to be “low quality spam,” it is one among the unique things about Lemmy that actually make me like it. It is the number one community on piefed.social for example. But definitely the accusation of mass downvoting seems to be pretty accurate. Do you do anything other than mass downvote popular content that you personally don’t like?
(I actually agree that in general people shouldn’t ban for this type of downvoting in most cases, that part I agree with you on. But this kind of absolute freakout and energy investment on your part about the history memes and artifact posts and etc, I think has a lot more to do with what’s going on with you, than it does anything about the content itself. Why are you so mad about it?)
Hey its the guy people were accusing of being Pugs alt. Funny seeing you here.
Phillip somehow always defends Pug. He’s done it before when Pug was proven to be doing shit. He’s doing it again.
What’s funny is Pug stalked my account and downvoted me and said that I was weird for finding it bad faith. But here he is banning someone for it.
I know he doesn’t have ability to reflect but it’s still wild.
Going down my front page and down voting half of the posts because I think they’re low-effort trash is not “mass downvoting.” It’s very literally engaging with the system exactly as it was designed and intended.
You know what is also using the system exactly as designed? Blocking the user or comm posting the content you don’t like.
I don’t like League of Legends. I’m not going to waste my time downvoting every post about it in the All feed. I’m going to block the LoL comm(s), and anyone who is only posting LoL news to the general gaming comms.
When it gets to the point where you’re downvoting anywhere close to half of a community or user’s posts, it’s past time to just block them. You aren’t personally responsible for curating the entire fucking fediverse, you’re responsible for your own feed.
I find it hilarious that OP does not respond to logical arguments like this. Only facts supporting their existing viewpoint are presented, everything else is ignored.
Which is easy enough to deal with for just one account (block them), but since this seems a trend across many users, becomes a major problem that severely hinders if not outright halts any growth of the entire concept of the Threadiverse. 😭
I have the sneaking suspicion this is a lot of hay from people that don’t like Pug’s politics. This thread is pretty dumb even by internet drama standards.
Yeah it feels like a solution looking for a problem - being down on him and trying to find any excuse to do so. What’s so funny is that I’m sure there are actual good reasons to do so (at least, if someone were targeting myself I know they could find good material to use - literally nobody is perfect:-), but this one seems just so genuinely dumb.
Which feels so very much like Reddit. Dayum, I had forgotten what it was like.
Yeah, I agree wholeheartedly. I had a nice hearty laugh at one of the ml admins criticizing pug for cultivating ideological bubbles, so it hasn’t been a total waste of time. I guess it takes one to know one?
That one seemed to me to miss the point entirely - like even if PJ was a PTB, overall (I have no idea), that’s not what seems to be happening here, which is supposed to be the point of this post.
Which of course was presented without any evidence supporting OP’s claim, and where they ironically provided a bunch of evidence to the contrary instead (e.g. admitting to mass-downvoting).
Freedom means that your rights end where someone else’s begins, subject to the natural laws of the universe.
Except ofc to authoritarians who want what they want and also for no-one else to have the same, and where truth vs. falsehood depends on who said something rather than reality. “Freedom”, along with every other word, means whatever they want it to mean in that moment of time, as a tool to achieve their objective.
On your frontpage, sure.
On “All”, not so much. Other people need to be free to enjoy things even if you personally do not like them.
Banning people from communities who abuse the features of Lemmy is also a core feature of the platform, as intended, to help avoid the excesses that could otherwise happen.
The literal job of a mod is to curb excesses in favor of protecting the community, to keep it alive and welcoming to post content to.
One of the (MANY) reasons that I left Reddit was due to it not stopping the bot large-scale downvoting sprees that happened in smaller communities as they would get brigaded by larger communities. When you scroll down and see that EVERY single comment to a post, or every single post in a community, has 1-2 downvotes (and then a hard cutoff like when presumably it last ran), it was pretty clear to see what was going on. It made it feel less than friendly to post when brigaders just wanted to emotionally vomit upon everyone.:-(
Everyone here has the freedom to interact with a post… until a mod/admin curbs that freedom, for the sake of the larger community.
That happens in small unpopular communities here. I don’t imagine you could run a pro Tesla community, for example
The meat eating community I’m part of attracts more down votes than it has members on almost everything
Ed. I just checked my community and it looks like either the bans are working, or lemmings have learnt to block communities they don’t like
But if someone did try to run a Pro-Tesla community (whether limiting it to pre-2025 purchases or not), then I could well understand them banning every single user who did absolutely nothing whatsoever other than downvote. Brigading is against the TOS of many Lemmy instances iirc. As well as many communities too - e.g. it’s #4 in this one.
Don’t harass mods or brigade comms. Don’t word your posts in a way that would trigger such harassment and brigades.
And you could debate the morality of a Pro-Tesla community, but apparently this OP is talking about merely historical memes, at which point abusing the posters to that community (or possibly only PugJesus himself, that point was never clarified since zero actual evidence was presented beyond the admission that OP did in fact take part in personally brigading against many posts in that community).
Real “rebel without a cause” vibes here - someone downvoting purely to be a dick about it, so much so that they don’t even realize that that is what they are doing, and all the more so continuing to double down despite most everyone telling them that fact.
(I personally would simply block any Pro-Tesla community and move on with my life)
Unpopular stuff gets voted to oblivion just with random drive-bys. It looks like brigading but doesn’t need to be organised
OP admitted it was organized, as in targeted - that’s the entire point of this post.
Random is fine, but when it becomes organized… well, that’s when mods intervene to put a stop to it (or at least if they do, nobody questions that - except OP, apparently).
Sure. But why are you so angry about historical artifacts lol
It’s like “here’s a cool spear from the 13th century” “LOW EFFORT TRASH FUCK THIS ARJHGSEFJHSDGBFKJSDHFBGDSK NO I DON’T WANT TO UNSUBSCRIBE I WANT HIM TO SUFFER”
You clearly put a LOT more emphasis on a downvote than literally anyone else, if that’s your thought process. It’s one click.
I’m referring to all the sturm and drang in this community, and getting upset about simply seeing this type of content but refusing to unsubscribe to curate your own feed.
If it was just downvotes, I wouldn’t be aware of it and we wouldn’t be talking right now.
Do you do anything other than mass downvote popular content that you personally don’t like?
OP has also gotten involved in the biggest controversy that exists on the Threadiverse, denying that tankies exist or are a problem (https://lemmy.world/post/37627013). I can’t help but feel that these issues are somehow connected.
Yeah. I suspect that there are people who make a habit of targeting particular “anti-tankie” or anti-troll users who are in a role of authority, and bullying them consistently to try to drive them away or at least ruin their reputation (with accusing them of being transphobic Zionists being for some reason the absolutely consistent go-to accusation). I think PugJesus is just the latest target.
It’s a little hard to say, because banning someone for downvotes actually is kind of bullshit, but I suspect that the personal innuendos about PugJesus in this thread and their popularity in the voting mean that the overall bullying effort is working pretty well.
I suspect that there are people who make a habit of targeting particular “anti-tankie” or anti-troll users who are in a role of authority
Sure, those people probably exist, but also “anti-tankie” is an extremely common position so you’d expect there to be more “victims” if that is what they are being targeted for. It’s far more likely that PJ is instead just an insufferable person who makes bad posts and comments, and therefore there are many people that don’t like them. PJ hasn’t even been accused of transphobia or zionism in this thread, so I think your theory is pretty widely off mark.
but I suspect that the personal innuendos about PugJesus in this thread and their popularity in the voting mean that the overall bullying effort is working pretty well
Or, perhaps, they are just not liked for reasons other than politics.
denying that tankies exist or are a problem
TBF, OP didn’t deny that “tankies” exist, and whether they’re a “problem” is a matter of opinion. For anti-communists, their existence is a problem.
How do you see your ban reasoning?
In the modlog. Here is yours.
Heh, I stand by my words.
Just block PJ. They’re a turbolib troll. You’ll feel better not seeing the junk they crank out.
PugJesus has always rubbed me the wrong way. He always inserted whataboutisms in rambling ways which put the onus on you to figure out his esoteric points. Then you try to answer what you think he’s trying to convey, and he just roasts you on that instead.
Very bad faith mod/Lemming that should be avoided should you care for your mental health
Shame on the mods in this thread saying you deserved it, these disgusting hypocrites deserve to be banned themselves per their own reason. Never fret downvoting it is perfectly normal if someone has attached their self value onto upvotes it is not your responsibility to satisfy them. Upvote what you want, downvote what you want. Truly shame on anyone who thinks mods should be behaving this way.
It’s context-driven. Small communities trying to build can get visibility hammered by random downvotes. Downvote trolls can be a problem for small communities trying to build up as they can successfully bury threads. I managed to discover the serial downvoters on my old television lemm.ee community and when I banned them (about 5 of them?) it had a huge impact. They didn’t all downvote /everything/ but they downvoted a lot of things, and they had no contribution to their names. Some of the accounts in question literally had no posting history. These accounts just existed to downvote.
Now, I wouldn’t just ban random accounts for occasional downvotes spread out over a time period - but if I kept seeing the same names on threads (and they never actually engaged with the community) with no discernable pattern of downvoting - that’s a different story.
Now, did abbotsbury’s behaviour justify that? I have no idea. I’m speaking generally.
And i’ll tell you HHHHwhat, power tripping mods have significantly more negative effect on any community than any downvotes.
Does the situation I refer to above sound like power-tripping to you?
Yes. Take some responsibility, have some humility and harden the fuck up don’t put yourself in a position of power if you are going to use that power when your feelings get hurt.
Has nothing to do with sensitivity. Just simply not wanting new posts to be buried because of random repeat downvoters who clearly have no interest in the community. My community is now long-past this, but it wasn’t always.
Well heres progress. They are “repeat downvoters” and not (((trolls))) now?
I never called anyone a troll.
So what exactly makes them trolls? You can’t just call someone doing their own thing a troll, that’s nazi tier wrong. So are they doing it on purpose or are they trying to curate their own feeds by upvoting and downvoting content they see accordingly?
I didn’t use the term “troll” - just that mass-downvoting of content in a community that you don’t engage in is harmful to that communities health and stunts its ability to grow if its sustained.
Whether or not they’re doing it to curate their feeds or not is irrelevant, the point is that it is unwelcome bulk downvoting that only harms the community. If they have no interest in it, and are never going to post in the first place, why would it matter if they’re banned?
Buddy listen to yourself “why would it matter if they’re banned?” and yes you did use the term (((troll))) as a way to justify your actions against individuals you disagree with. You shouldn’t be expressing your opinions through moderation it’s always going to be wrong.
Buddy listen to yourself “why would it matter if they’re banned?” and yes you did use the term (((troll))) as a way to justify your actions against individuals you disagree with.
You realise I’m not the person the OP is referring to, right? I’m just saying that mass-downvoting all posts in a community can be harmful to that community and thus sometimes is reasonable for the community owner to ban the person doing it if they have no other contribution and clearly just outright dislike the community.
Okay mass downvoting is bad - is mass downvoting something an individual expressing their opinions can do inadvertently or is it a malicious action by a malicious individual? Again you are trying to paint someone with a different opinion than you as deserving of mod actions.
Whether or not it is malicious or not isn’t relevant really. The effect is still the same.
Again you are trying to paint someone with a different opinion than you as deserving of mod actions.
I mean, speaking broadly - that goes for all actions. If people abuse others or harass others or throw out slurs then I also regard that as “deserving mod action”.
All I’m saying - and being outright open about it - that if someone mass downvotes the majority of posts they see coming from a specific community on the feed, that it’s a perfectly legitimate reason for the community moderator to ban them for that.
YDI. My take is that, in general, if you tend to downvote certain communities a whole bunch then it shouldn’t be surprising to you if you get banned from them. And I’m saying that as someone who has very little sympathy for PJ.
Question, how come you don’t just block them or the community or something, if you don’t care to see their content?
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That user was one of the first that I blocked. Blocking users has made a greater positive impact on my feeds than blocking communities.
The first user I remember blocking was the Lemmit bot that just reposted everything from Reddit, I think including comments.
Oh god, that was also one of the first users i blocked alongside a few other bots and pugjesus
I’m gonna be blocking someone, but it ain’t gonna be PugJesus.
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I didn’t know I had at least 23 accounts 🤔
oh i assumed this meant you were born in '23. congrats on making it to 102 btw
Blocking pugjeasus is the best move anyone on lemmy can do
I need to see the posts in question to really give a judgement here.
He’s banned me from all his communities. Power tripper and disingenuous in how he engages
Another squid!
If you don’t post or comment in a community, why are you subscribed to it?
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bc OP indicated that, saying “my frontpage” (emphasis added).
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You missed the point. The word “My” implies the Subscribed feed, rather than “All”. At least that is the most straightforward interpretation, which explains why the person you responded to thought that.
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No, back when I used Lemmy I mostly used All. But then I did not call that “my” frontpage, unless I switched to Subscribed. Perhaps there is a language issue here, but the personal form of “my” implies a customization aspect, not the same shared set of posts that everyone sees across all of Lemmy (unless they block content, which OP seems not to).
Or at least it could imply that, which explains why the person you responded to might have thought that. There is a logical basis for doing so, I am saying.
Dude what is wrong with you? Debate pervert bullshit.
I’m not, I was viewing all. Sorry, “my frontpage” is probably misleading, I meant the all page on my device.
Oh. Well, if you don’t want to see all, don’t go looking at all and then get upset when you see all.
That’s pretty ridiculous, obviously one can want to see an uncurated list while still judging the value of individual items, that’s not mutually exclusive.
Sure, you can totally do that… and also a mod can totally ban someone who mass-downvotes all the posts in a community (rather than simply block it or the submitters). Actually the ball is entirely in your court there to decide what you want to do.
You may accept that you are going to be banned from communities that it seems you have no interest in seeing anyway, or you can start blocking them so that they do not show up in your All feed.
“Block early, block often” is practically the motto of Lemmy.
Do you know how many are lurkers on any given site? 90%
Much much much higher than that.
Probably. It’s just a rule of thumb. . Say 10% of people using the
siteplatform have an account and 10% of them post/comment.So more like 99% lurk.
On corporate social media sites, lurkers still provide (ad) revenue, but on Lemmy they are leeches. They use our community’s resources while contributing nothing.
they are leeches
Hard disagree. And that kind of talk will not lead to this place flourishing.
What does a flourishment of non-participants get us but increased hosting costs?
What if Wikipedia had that attitude?
