Remembering to look for and ignore folks with that telltale indicator has made the fediverse so much more enjoyable.
that’s why Lemmy rules and Reddit kinda sucks. The whole interaction thing is way more manageable and clearer
Hi guys
I always engage with Tankies, fuckin hate those guys and I want people to know it.
Love your stuff my friend! Keep fighting that good fight! Many an upvote sent your way.
Solid rule: verify the source before the outrage. Saves your blood pressure and your feed.
.ml and .dbzer0
Both have proven themselves insufferable, biased, and all around plain toxic.
Hue hue hue
You may not know this, but there is an option to block instances in the settings
And for some, that’s absolutely the best solution!
To me, the fediverse is already pretty small so I don’t like blocking and making it smaller. So, personally, my compromise is to see everything but consider the source before responding etc.
(And judicious use of piefed’s user note system; good ol’ vomitty face for the unpleasant non .ml folks and a big ol’ smile for the sane seeming .ml peoples!)
Not the users though. I have .ml blocked, which means communities hosted there (therefore moderated by them) don’t show up. However I still have to read their tankie comments.
Can one block all users from said instances too, or is that not possible?
There are ways but they are quite difficult. The Sync or Connect apps offer that, although I think they aren’t updated often iirc. Some exceedingly few instances have defederated from lemmy.ml, but none of the major ones. You can also get into customized uBlock Origin filtering rules, if you want…
Or just switch to PieFed, which has tons of features that Lemmy lacks. Like seriously, just tons and tons of them, and more keep being added practically weekly. Lemmy can or will not keep up, so it will fall behind and PieFed continue to pull ahead, watch and see. https://piefed.social/auth/instance_chooser
I don’t know why you’re being downvoted but here’s my internet point in solidarity.
The people who are most likely to become blocked by following my advice are well-known to be anti-choice (in the sense that they don’t want others to have the ability to block them). Which ironically is one of the best reasons to go ahead and do so.
piefed, i believe, can do this
Can confirm this.
“Ignore dissenting opinions, shun users from the bad place, run away from the scary wrongthink”
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No u
“This echo chamber is censoring the opinions of everyone who disagrees!”
I disagree with people on .ml regularly and I’m not banned, skill issue and/or unforgivable opinions
The tell-tale indicator is the post itself, not the instance.
I’ll make my own judgments, thank you.idk what the instance fuss is about and i dont care
For sure! I did that once when I was new here, it went sideways.
You know what’s funny is .ml was one of the first instances I signed up for. I thought it stood for machine learning or something to do with programming.
I’ve got an ml account too, but at the time I think world was normal. I think world has also gone the Reich way.
there some .ml accounts that just talking about tech, i assume that what it is originally for, but it was co-opting by hard left politics at some point.
wait, what does it stand for?
Moron liberation
They use it to mean Marxist Leninism, although it also does mean Machine Learning and Mali
Technically it is the top-level domain name for Mali.
I’m fairly certain that the Lemmy devs chose it because of their two favorite socialists/communists: Marx and Lenin. But I can’t find a reference to that right now.
Marx was a socialist political philosopher, that helped define the social end goal of communism. Lenin was a militant revolutionary that thought he could ignore Marx’s slow natural social evolution to communism. And force it under authoritarian boot heel. He was aspirationally communist at best, but not communist. His ideology has failed to achieve it everywhere it was tried. Generally, creating a new class of Petit Bourgeoisie or even collapsing into open fascism.
Other than that you are correct. Lemmy.ml hexbear.ml and lemmygrad.ml all chose the Mali TLD because of the abbreviation.
Other than that you are correct. Lemmy.ml hexbear.ml and lemmygrad.ml all chose the Mali TLD because of the abbreviation.
it’s hexbear.net
Just like .TV domain is actually Tuvalu but Twitch and other livestreaming sites use it as abbreviation. These countries actually make a lot of money from selling top level domains like that.
Yes though I thought I remembered reading something a few years ago about them reclaiming them. But hard to turn down money.
Have you read either Marx or Lenin?
A more important question is, did you think critically about what you read. And compare it to actually historical outcomes. Not just take it as dogma. Why do you think the Soviet people ultimately rejected the party Etc. At least symbolically. Why did former vassal States often demolish former Soviet monuments. Did they not read enough Lenin. Or had they lived it.
Unlike the states built around Lenin’s ideology. I believe people should absolutely be allowed to read about opposed ideologies and even organize around them. If they reject you, generally that means you aren’t filling their needs or are being a net burden. Though I also generally reject the idea of, or need for the state entirely. Far too much concentration and corruption. Whether it’s technically left or right.
That’s a lot of words to say “no.”
I did think critically about what I read, and it’s astounding how many predictions that they made came true. For instance the monopolisation of whole sectors of industries was a really specific prediction to make in Marx’ time when nearly every town had their own manufacturers but look at us today with the global food supply controlled by only a handful of corporations.
And the majority of its citizens did not reject the Soviet Union. It was dissolved against the will of the people. Why do you think the CPRF is the second largest political party still today? Why did other communist parties fare so well in the elections after the dissolution? Why did NATO need to systematically destroy Yugoslavia if the people largely disagreed with the system?
Also, I’m gonna be very honest with you here, your statements about Marx and Lenin when you clearly didn’t read them make you look rather silly. As an example, it is widely accepted that abandonment of vanguardism caused the collapse of the SU. Therefore it was in fact abandonment of Leninism that caused the collapse. Vindicating Marxism-Leninism. If we’re talking about comparisons to historical outcomes… And his view on the “free press” still hold up today, in particular when viewed from the side opposing the gaza genocide.
Leninism is the only noncapitalist ideology actually practiced, so I wouldn’t really call it failed. China, Korea, Vietnam, Cuba and Venezuela are the most prominent examples of course.
I can only recommend, once again, Comrade Cowbees introductory reading list. In particular Marx as viewed by Lenin himself.
Lenin was a militant revolutionary that thought he could ignore Marx’s slow natural social evolution to communism
Huh, I never thought I’d encounter an actual Menshevik on Lemmy.
Please tell me through materialist historical analysis: without a strong vanguard party pushing for rapid collectivization in 1929 in pursuit of industrialization, and the rapid industrialization (15% GDP growth per year) between 1929 and 1941, what would have happened to all peoples standing between Berlin and the Urals?
Lenin wasn’t trying to erase that transition to communism is gradual, but instead correctly identified that the beginning of that transition is revolution, which Marxists at the time had erased from Marx. Dialectical materialism posits that there are revolutionary leaps after quantitative buildups, the transition to socialism is the beginning of the next long gradual process of achieving communism. He did not “force it under authoritarian boot heel,” but instead was the leader of the bolsheviks, a mass party chosen by the working claases.
Contrary to your position, Marxism-Leninism has successfully established socialism in many countries, and is so widely adopted by leftists partially because of its practical success. It’s the western leftists that endlessly move goalposts to invalidate socialism outside the west that results in perpetuation of bourgeois narratives surrounding socialism as it exists in real life.
Honestly, your appraisal of Lenin and Marx makes it come off as though you haven’t actually read either. Have you?
Nah, they chose it because the ccTLD along with few others had been free for a long time. I was there when lemmy was just a few months old.
Someone made up these reference about marx/lenin claim and was perfect for wankies to circle jerk and the tankies didn’t refute it or went along with it, so it stuck.
Before that the free domains were mostly used for spam/phishing (because it was free and being similar to .mil), some called it machine learning, my links, my library and so on. US military sent lots of emails to this cctld because of unchecked typo.
Except lemmy (& maybe reddit? to detract people from the fediverse), the .ml domain is not considered marxlenin anywhere else.
https://dev.to/bauripalash/lets-get-your-own-free-domain-5f16
https://www.theregister.com/2023/07/18/us_military_mali_email_typos/
Mutilated Leprechauns
You just reminded me of Ween’s masterpiece album, ’ The mollusk’
Maoist Lemmy
Now we just need Posadist Lemmy
Marxist Leninist
I knew it was a leftist instance. I went into it (naively) excited to engage with a more thoughtful leftist internet space, considering it was a bunch of reddit exiles who were upset about heavy handed Reddit censorship. I was quite disappointed to learn quickly that it was just more of the same tankie brain rot, with more of the same tankie censorship you can find in a thousand different tedious places.
Even then I stuck with it for a bit. And then I learned that the head admin was potentially the most fragile person on the Internet, who literally will not post outside his own instance because he cannot handle any internet where he does not have (what he believes to be) a “win argument” ban button. It is literally so cringe, I cannot stand to be associated with it, and I don’t understand how other people tolerate being associated with his antics.
… we don’t?
I literally can’t do what the meme suggests, because I’ve already blocked all users from that instance automatically.
You might try slrpnk.net for what you were looking for. I guess you know that by now, but in case anyone else is reading and thinking similarly.
excited to engage with a more thoughtful leftist internet space
considering it was a bunch of reddit exiles who were upset about heavy handed Reddit censorship
Lmfao. What’s leftism to you?
Tankies are lefties alright. Just braindead ones
Braindead is when you deviate one millimeter from western capitalist state propaganda
You can deviate without lapping up Kremlin propaganda
Five communists got enjailed in Ufa last week for reading Lenin. Being pro-USSR and anti-USA+EU doesnt equate with being pro-Russian Republic
You were defending the Russian republic just two days ago need i remind you
What do you consider a non braindead leftist?
As long as you avoid campism and are ready to criticize the USSR and Maoist China for what they did wrong you’re not braindead
MLs are essentially incapable of arguing in good faith. You know how Christians quote to bible to “prove” their religion is true? MLs are the political version of that.
I opened a thread just yesterday and the top comment was “I recommend you read this article if you want to know what Noam Chomsky is really like”. It was upvoted. I like to learn things, and don’t really listen to a lot of Chomsky. So I started reading.
It was the most uneducated, biased, ragebait crap I’d ever seen posted to the fediverse. I started mentally building my reply about how “people are saying” is the worst kind of fallacy, and providing a quote from someone else with a different opinion doesn’t count as opposing evidence. I actually got a little upset, disillusioned even, wondering how anyone could fall for this idiotic “argument”. I didn’t agree or disagree with any point, but it was just so poorly made.
I went to reply, thinking I should provide some warning, then I noticed I was in an ml community. I’m mobile, so it sometimes doesn’t show the community until I’ve clicked (I know I can change that in the settings). I considered posting anyway, but it felt so fruitless. It feels like they’re either sheep or assets. I moved on. I feel better getting to let it out here instead.
As someone leaning ML, this makes me feel like I haven’t argued with my own side in a while… Or I am less ML than I think I am…
I have an ML account and usually just jump back and forth between .world local posts and .ml local posts and I swear I’m not seeing all this hostility people talk about anywhere
I haven’t read a single exchange with a .ml tankie that hasn’t been utterly juvenile roleplay nonsense with no desire to engage with reality, I don’t give them any amount of my attention or even irritation, if kids wanna do roleplay stuff between games of Hearts of Iron 4, they can, but other instances should ban roleplay outside of their specific circle-jerking forum.
Honestly I will half agree with you. Really we should be providing primary sources if we want to prove anything.
Not because I don’t believe socialist news sources are inaccurate it’s just that liberals are not going to believe it.
i’m a leftist and have an ml acct. but it’s like there is no engagement or linking or such - i dunno. i’m a newb.
You’d be hard pressed to find many on the fediverse that aren’t some flavor of leftist.
But yes. A lot of instances defederated from the .ml ones for the same reasons ml were generally blocked and banned from similar sites in the past. Which ironically led to the start of Lemmy and the link aggregation portion of the fediverse in the first place.
Depends if you consider liberals to be leftists.
No, it does not. That’s just a popular way for MLs to disregard any opinion they don’t like. “Liberal” is to online MLs as “woke” is to conservatives. The Fediverse is packed with Anarchists, Socialists, Communists, and Leftists that don’t fit neatly into a category and that’s not even arguing about whether social democrats and democratic socialists count.
Just so you know Brain is a rage baiter.
Yes. It does. Just because you like the left wing ascetic and want free healthcare doesn’t mean you’re not a liberal, and that describes a lot of people here.
The Fediverse is packed with Anarchists, Socialists, Communists, and Leftists that don’t fit neatly into a category
You mean terminally online wannabe leftists who haven’t read theory or engaged in organizing while they regurgitate CIA propaganda?
Lmao. Are you gatekeeping being a leftist?
You say that as if it’s a bad thing
I’m differentiating between online “anarchists, socialists and communists” and the real deal. I had an anarchist on Lemmy the other day tell me that they don’t think class analysis is important.
A lot of instances defederated from the .ml ones
Last time I checked, infosec.pub was the only instance of any nontrivial size (319 users / month) that was defederated from lemmy.ml.
There’s a push recently on lemmy to make people think that .ml instance is unpopular, it’s user wrong and you should leave it or be ostracized.
This is the nth post about it I’ve seen in the past few months.
I haven’t noticed a recent uptick myself, but the usual suspects have been pushing that narrative for years.
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Yep. That shithole breeds nothing but trash from my experience. I blocked that rotted bilge of an instance and many of its wannabe communist barnacles a long time ago.
Least deranged .worlder
Love when they come to me. It’s like a gift that wraps itself!
Why do you loser always speak like you learned to talk solely from anime and Joss Whedon films?
I never know the difference between all these Lemmy instances and why some communities are full of insane people
How about you make it a central part of your life? Wouldn’t that be cool?
It’s actually pretty simple, they’ve inadvertently self segregated.
So the dudes who maintain the code for Lemmy, which is a framework that most of these instances are built off of, are what we call “Tankies” because they support the Chinese dictatorship, Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, etc. They’re the “Communists” with emphasis on the quotation marks, so to speak. They oppose “Capitalist” countries which are any western nation that stands in the way of expansion. They oppose “Liberals” as they claim it’s a “Capitalist” ideology but actually because it’s the ideology of promoting human rights which conflict with their ideal form of government.
Now, I mentioned those dudes maintain the code, they also maintain the landing page where a lot of people are first exposed to a list of lemmy servers to pick from. Other frameworks are being developed right now so we can move away from Lemmy, such as Piefed which is the backbone for Piefed.social and Piefed.world but they’re still missing a couple of features.
For example the instance you and me are on, Lemmy.world , is also run by Piefed.world hosts but the lemmy.world allows attaching images to comments while Piefed.world lacks that functionality as of yet, though they did recently update to a new version. Our instance is one of many defederated from Hexbear and Stalingrad, which are the same Tankies as ML but with the masks off, they unapologetically promote Xi Jinping and Putin, so those users cannot interact with our posts or comments at all, but it still remains federated with Lemmy.ml sadly as that’s the lemmy instance where news about the framework and updates come from.
The reason why all of this is happening is because somebody is paying for it. Some lonely internet users in the west are funding a place to go, while some military regimes are funding it because it’s a psyop made to promote their goals and create radical infighting in the west. The fediverse is everything great about other social medias with less of the cons except for the fact that we completely lack the ability to defend it from hostile actors in ways that a large corporation with unlimited resources and centralized detection algorithms could (if they even would).
It really raises eyebrows when you come across users who have posted nothing but aggressively anti-US anti-NATO anti-EU stuff for several years straight. No other interests. Nobody talks about politics nonstop. Nobody. It’s straight up bizarre.
Well said. I can name quite a few that I’m sure everyone is familiar with.
Lemmy ml even has a rule of “don’t call us Russian bots or we’ll ban you”
You have now been permanently banned from lemmy.ml
Yeah it’s bizarro. My own post history usually reads more like something out of r/rimjob_steve so whenever I notice that sort of consistent political narrative I tend to suspect alt accounts lol
It really raises eyebrows when you come across users who have posted nothing but aggressively anti-US anti-NATO anti-EU stuff for several years straight
How does opposing the most evil empire in the world raise any eyebrows? If somebody consistently posted pro-Palestine content only, would you make the same claim?
I could see some arguments for the US, (and even those are likely to be short sighted and naive), but the EU?
The EU is as guilty as the US. It participated in Afghanistan, Iraq, the bombing of Libya, the one of Yugoslavia, and European countries maintain neocolonial relations with the global south, whose people and resources they exploit.
France, the country that in the 1960s murdered a million Algerians who wanted independence, right now upholds the CFA in 14 countries in Africa, meaning these 14 countries have no monetary sovereignty and their central banks are located in Paris. To maintain these schemes, France has troops stationed in Africa, ensuring that only governments loyal to the desires of France get “protection”.
Many African independence and democracy activists have been murdered by EU plots to maintain the neocolonial schemes in their countries. All of the EU countries have maintained full economic and diplomatic relations with Israel during the ongoing genocide, and some like Estonia have gone as far as opening their first Israeli embassy a few months ago.
You can find skeletons everywhere. The idea that Europe is the worst on the basis of what you list as one country having what looks footnote like compared to for instance, the USA or China, is bizarre. Seems like hyper focus on their faults due to being partial to the others.
If “European neocolonialism” is a footnote to you, you’re not rational and the discussion is pointless.
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Racist people hang out with racist people. Sexist people hang out with sexist people
People are absolutely fucking amazing at self segregation with out realizing it.
Some people here think it’s a huge life choice to pick an instance and get weirdly tribal about it. For most, it probably isn’t.
There’s no doubt that some instances have a certain flavor and attract some types of users that don’t mesh as well with others as the rest, on aggregate, but it’s still just a fucking window to the same boards.
