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I’m sure the Albertans are aware how well this sort of thing turned out for the UK, right?
…Albertans are aware…
For le sakes du phoque
Unless you care about seals, you are likely looking for something closer to “va faire foutre tes seins”, go fuck your tits.
I would love to see them go for it, it would be very funny.
I’m more worried that they’ll be “aquired” by another nation, and suddenly BC is cut off from the rest of Canada and we have a new unsecured land border with far too much infrastructure.
Good point.
I’d love to see the malcontents just leave. Nothing’s stipping them from moving south like they all seem to want to.
It’s not like they can just walk off with the land. Most of it is treaty land
It’s not like they can just walk off with the land. Most of it is treaty land
I suspect there is a very large overlap between separatists and racists who don’t consider the first nations to have a valid claim over anything.
That would be ideal.
It’s pretty blatant a bunch of this is being funded by US fossil fuel giants to get access to the tar sands.
Stop acting like Yanks
maplega
Wouldn’t be remotely shocked to find ties to Russian funding of this initiative. They pulled this same shit in Europe for decades, fanning the flames of discontent, pitting people against each other and trying to divide us.
If they want to become Americans so bad, they can always move South and apply for citizenship.
What they can’t do, is take the land with them.
Way, WAY South into an already deeply red state where they can’t do any more damage to our painfully dying country, please.
I was curious about how this will pan out, and found this:
https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2025/11/05/Has-Alberta-Separatism-Gone-Mainstream-Common-Ground/About 30 per cent of Albertans support or somewhat support the idea of separation, while most do not. This figure fluctuates but hasn’t changed substantially since 2019.
The conclusion from our research is clear: the typical Albertan doesn’t want to separate but gets why others do. Supporting separatism isn’t mainstream, though being curious about it is. The bridge between those viewpoints is not a long one.
That is a terrifyingly high number if you ask me.
The number goes down below 10 when asked if they’d want to separate if the Conservatives had won the federal election. They’re just angy at the libs. When push comes to shove they will vote it down.
Referendums and the specific topic is a bit different. But I think looking at Trump and America should make people very wary of what having 30% of the population as fanatics can do.
You can get a quarter of the population to vote for basically anything.
Thank god that first-past-the-post could give 39% or less full control of the provincial government.
I know someone who wanted to legally change his name to “Wayne Gretzky” and then run for Premier. He thought most Albertans wouldn’t do the work and figure out he wasn’t actually Wayne Gretzky, and i think he was right.
I think that guy you know might also be one of the folks who doesn’t do the work to figure stuff out, unfortunately - we don’t “vote for Premier”, we vote for a local representative and the party that gets the most representatives installs their party leader as Premier. Just like how it’s done with the Prime Minister.
Even if we did, his plan has taken a bit of a hit in the past year. A lot of Albertans have soured greatly on Gretzky given his chumminess with Trump, his statues have been repeatedly vandalized recently. “Maple MAGA” is actually not as popular here as seems to be commonly believed.
What is an “Albertan”? Cars have existed longer than Alberta has. We’re all immigrants.
We’re all immigrants.
Most of us anyway.
I’ve posted about this before, but I’ve been out with coworkers for a beer before and had the exact conversation on the “rest of Canada not caring” point about O&G jobs in Alberta. I’m originally from Ontario so I could chime in on that perspective for them.
The conversation was mostly geared towards them thinking the Albertan economy is “floating” the rest of Canada. When I brought up the size of Toronto and Montreal and the industries just in those two cities they brushed it off. So I took a different tactic, I started asking them if they cared about manufacturing jobs in Quebec, or fishery jobs in the maritimes or automotive jobs in Ontario. Unsurprisingly they said they didn’t know / care and that those jobs weren’t as numerous / important as O&G.
I ended it with saying, people care about Alberta as much as you care about Ontario, Quebec, BC, the Maritimes which is essentially zilch. I’m not sure if I got through to them but one guy actually said “somehow this seems worse”. I just said “really Alberta doesn’t register in most Canadians radars unless negatively”.
They also genuinely couldn’t understand why folks out east or in BC don’t want pipelines or further O&G investment in their provinces.
That’s why this whole movement is fucked. The people who back this just think they’re keeping Canada afloat.
So what if they are? That’s called “sharing” and Canada is a vast country. The benefits of being Canadian far outweigh the costs to the Province of Alberta.
If Alberta was a country, it would be like Nigeria. I’m pretty sure even the most die hard maple MAGAt would ratjer be in present day Alberta than Nigeria.
Their bigotry is blinding them to the fact that they would actually become a minority group they despise.
30% was all Dougie needed for a majority in Ontario…
Elections have electoral districts, which is how first-past-the-post really does its damage, through gerrymandering and gaming the system for just enough votes in each district. Does the same hold true for a referendum or is that a simple tally of all provincial votes (ie, electoral districts don’t matter)
The real danger is voter apathy, with Albertans figuring there’s no way separation will win based on the high number of sigs on the petition so they don’t bother voting, much like Brexit.
The last AB referendum showed 38.7% of eligible voters voted. If that number holds the same, and your number of 30% want to separate is correct, it’s over. Every single traitor is going to vote, which could result in a landslide separatist win with 77% of voters voting to separate.
I think the real reason the UCP leadership puts this kind of crazy stuff on the ballot is to make sure that 30% shows up to vote in force. If everyone else turns up to vote, or their base had a regular level of turnout, then they’d have no shot.
So, what about First Nations? Are you going to vote away their land??
How could they have their land voted away? AB separating just wouldn’t work, with First Nations land being just one reason. Most separatists are simply traitors who don’t understand what the consequences would be. The ones who know what they’re doing know it would never work, but that’s not the point. The point is a weakened and fractured Canada. There’s a vested interest (primarily from the US) in dividing Canada, and this is a great way to do it.
All I’m saying is I hope Albertans don’t get complacent, and actually get out and vote at the referendum. Brexit has proven what lack of understanding and voter apathy can result in. It can just as easily happen in AB, and all it takes is Albertans not bothering to vote because “there’s no way separation will happen”.
So, what about First Nations?
The separatists don’t concern themselves with “minor details” like that.
My friends in Alberta, are First Nations. And this was my first thought. We should send the people who want to be Americans, to America.
You think the people who signed the Forever Canadian petition are all people who want to leave Canada?
Haha no, where did you get that out of what I said?
My bad, it seemed like you were implying that the 38.7% of people who signed the Forever Canadian petition and the 30% who are (or at least were) for Alberta separatism were the exact same group.
The big thing i’ve found to be problematic in Alberta isn’t apathy, but that young people tend to vote the same way their parents (and grandparents) vote, without actually learning anything about where politicians lean these days.
Nobody is doing the research and learning that the Conservatives these days are actually more like Adolf Hitler than Peter Lougheed.
I would vote for Peter Lougheed if I could, but i can’t vote for these corporate fascists.
I wish older Albertans could see this, but they’re not putting in the work anymore. They have their beds in their assisted care homes and don’t realize they’re the last that will get that.
Or, even worse, they get it…and just don’t care.
There is no independant state. The choice is be part of Canada or be part of the US, and I’m not sure what in Trump’s record make people think he would treat Canadians any better than Russia treats Ukranians
Albertans really need to look closely at Puerto Rico and the CNMI, because that’s their American future. If they think America is going to treat them as equals because they’re white, they’re even dumber than i could have ever imagined.
So dumb.
All paid for by the USA
Which in turn is paid for by Russia
And we still allow it all to happen
Before everyone gets their knickers in a twist, no, the referendum question has not been approved. The application has been approved. Now they have to collect the necessary signatures. What has collected the necessary signatures and been validated by Elections Alberta is the opposite motion, “Do you agree that Alberta should remain in Canada?” By law, this has to go either to a vote in the Legislature (which is extremely unlikely) or a referendum within six months. Many people believe the UCP willl call an election rather than a referendum, as all referendum questions die when an election is called.
Wouldn’t an actual referendum to secede require like 1.4 million votes?
Nevermind how Alberta doesn’t legally own the vast majority of land within it’s borders.
I am astounded! Alberta is already trying to dumb down their population, as the USA did. Alberta is trying to privatize health care, as the USA. Seriously?? This is what you want?
The youngest boomer is less than 8 days from wt:thons 61st birthday.
In order to be accessible to most Albertans, is the question just a crayon drawing of two cousins fucking on a horse with an arrow pointing away?
some thoughts:
.1. It would mean fewer Conservatives in Parliament.
.2. For those Canadians who want to become American citizens, they could move to Alberta. Indeed, Canada could invite millions of Latin Americans to become citizens of Canada, and then they go to Alberta, and when Albertans becomes American citizens, so might they.
.3. Alberta is nothing without fossil fuels; it’s a shit province without oil and gas: I suspect this is what many conservatives believe.
- A clique of Maple MAGAts take over the Albertan government, and declare independence. They might have a bogus referendum which they win. Trump’s America recognizes it, perhaps immediately, or perhaps after a while of helping it.
If we environmentalists, or those at least a bit environmentally minded, are correct, global warming will get worse; electrification and wind and solar power will increase. No unemployment benefits or farm aid to you Albertan ingrates.
Also, if the progressives took over the US, Congress would have only 2 Albertan senators and maybe 6 Representatives to counter them.
.5. Texas was a Republic for almost 10 years before it joined the US. Vermont, IIRC, was a republic for ≥14 years. If Alberta joins, say, within 4 years, they might be ribbed by Americans for that.
.6. BC could still be connected through the NWT. Planes can fly north of it. If McDonald could have a railroad built in (IIUC) the 19th century, Canada could build one in the 21st. We also have the Northwest Passage.
(If BC joining Canada was only going to happen if a railroad was built, they might insist on a new one being built, and we might as well have freight lines, passenger lines, high-speed, a highway, and maybe others.)
What is “”? Sounds like you had ai write all this.
What is “”?
Huh?
Idk, you tell me what this looks like 200B is…
I’m kind of in favor of throwing every one of the traitors over the southern border by the seat of their useless pants.
Please no. Those of us that aren’t right wing shit stains are doing everything they can to reign in the MAGA bullshit here in the USA. We don’t need more MAGA trash. How about putting them on a rocket to mars?
As an Albertan, I would do the same - but charge them for the ride.
The problem is that people are stupid. Anyone who lives on top of oil is going to eventually feel like they’re uniquely entitled to said oil. Unless they’re on fire or oil prices drop…then they’ll temporarily turn into communists.
But throw them in Alaska, no where near a road or border town
