Christians say, “God is omnipotent. He is all-powerful. He can literally do anything, including giving people superpowers, etc. God can do ANYTHING. He could make pigs fly with a snap of the fingers; he could create infinite universes with just speaking it into existence.” But, at the same time, these same people say, “God had to send his son to die because it was the only way.”
Okay, then God is not all-powerful then, lol. He’s not omnipotent. That’s literally the opposite of omnipotence. If God is omnipotent, then he literally had infinite options. In fact, if he’s this powerful, then sending his son is a really dumb idea and makes zero sense.
I don’t know if this comparison makes sense, but in The Flash TV show, when they were fighting a speedster named Savitar, there was a building with metahuman power dampeners so you can’t use your powers inside this building. Savitar was going to kill Iris West, so what would be the smart thing to do??? Maybe put Iris in this building because Savitar can’t use his powers inside it. Case closed. It would make no sense for this option to be here but then for Team Flash to say, “We know this easier and smarter option exists, but Iris, you dying is the only way we can stop Savitar and save you.”
See what I mean? Point is, if God is omnipotent, then Jesus dying wasn’t the only way. Jesus being tortured so he could feel all the pain of sin was not necessary. If you’re saying this was the only way, then fine, but don’t say God is all-powerful and limitless, because clearly there are limits to God’s own power.
The more you think about it, the less sense it makes.
If you actually read the book, it makes so little sense you will weep for humanity.
He didn’t HAVE to do anything to be fair. Biblically it was a gift of love (as messed up as that is).And yeah perhaps there was another way, but that’s the way he chose. If he slaughtered a pig, you’d probably be like why didn’t he offer his own son? Doesn’t really have anything to do with omnipotence. Sacrifice was common in those days with goats etc. So it matches the culture of the day. Also kind of mirrors and reflects on the Abraham story too.
Also biblically God, Jesus and the holy spirit are technically one. Not really sure how that changes anything but is interesting to think about.
Here’s the biblical text if youre interested John 3:16 ESV “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
I’m just some guy and dont have all the answers or am looking to battle about it. But I’m happy to chat if we keep it chill. Why is God’s omnipotence important to you?
My headcannon for a lot of those things is that it’s really hard to retcon earlier made statements and actions, so some times He can’t go with the sensible approach in order to get around it.
So it matches the culture of the day.
Why would an omnipotent and omniscient being be influenced by the human culture of the day? Isn’t it more likely that the people of the time created stories that fit with the culture of their day?
It was a message, makes sense to speak the language of the people you are talking to. If God just 4d time tesseracted instead people wouldn’t get it.
Get what? What is there for people to get? Either god forgives humanity or he doesn’t. Why does he need to kill something, which was a human fad of the time, in order to forgive? I forgive people all the time and I don’t need to make any sacrifices for the other person to ‘get it’. We just move on with life.
Ah my bad, I mean ‘get it’ as in ‘understand it’ not as ‘recieve it’.
Man, being a Christian on here really doesn’t fly with most of ya huh?
I don’t believe in blood-magic. like, I literally can’t believe it’s so preposterous.
Thats fine, but you can not believe without shitting on those that do.
I mean, not really
Explain, without any fallacies, why it should.
What do you mean? Like why shouldn’t atheism be enforced/religous people be persecuted? Something tells me no matter my answer you’re not interested in having a conversation, hence starting off by demanding shit in a rude way.
You took asking for answers that are logical as rude. Thanks for revealing your true “character” so I can block you.
Lmao please do you seem miserable. If you think the way you asked wasn’t demanding or rude, you’re a silly fella. I have strong opinions and I don’t mind explaining them in detail. I truly feel like it would be a waste of time based on your initial question and immature response.
You can believe in whatever you want. I support you.
I do not support your religious views impacting me or anyone else in any way. Limit yourself or agrandize yourself in any way that you want. The moment that you believe that others should change the way that they act due to your faith is where you go too far.
Yeah the whole “God is all powerful and all knowing” would mean that he can stop things like children’s cancer but he chooses not to.
the whole “God is all powerful and all knowing” would mean that he can stop things like children’s cancer but he chooses not to.
God is either not all powerful or not all good.
consider that god is neither
God’s morality is canonically not our morality. You are not able to perceive what is good and evil for God.
I’m not Christian but was unfortunately raised in a very conservative Christian environment.
The argument they made up to deal with people asking this question was that god intentionally limits his power to give us true free will. I remember asking myself the first time I heard this, “but if he’s all powerful couldn’t he find a way to give us free will and prevent us from suffering?”
Eventually I realized arguing with these people is a waste of time.
Correct. God is nothing
God is just really into child sacrifice. For real, it’s a central tenet. Jesus. Abraham. David. Noah. Lot. Job.
“God is more important than your family” is literally a theme throughout.
I remember my dad drunk driving us three kids home rambling at us how if a man put a gun up to each of our <10yo heads, and that man demanded my father say he didnt believe in god or he would shoot us, my father was drunkenly proud to scream in front of his god and children how he would watch that man blow our brains out.
He wonders why we don’t talk to him.
God damn. I’m sorry.
Boomers and religion. I got some words for king james
My dad is/was a very conservative pastor. As is my brother. And two of my uncles.
I get it, to put it mildly.
makes zero sense
that about sums up religion in general, well done. I think that about wraps the thread up, honestly. good work, everyone!
what many people don’t understand about actions the christian God made is that she had to make decisions that allowed for humans to understand that she sent Jesus to prove there’s a better way to live and that you don’t need to live in shame or subservience. What is the one thing that can’t be faked in our world? Death. That’s why it was a big deal.
Omnipotent ≠ Intelligent
ITT: Pizza cutters. All edge nay point.
Religions (all of them) are just a bunch bullshit nonsense. In other news, water is wet.
The only actual answer here.
God is supposed to be a father figure, right? And this alleged father says, “I give you complete free will to choose to believe in me or not,” right?
The reward for faith and obedience is eternal life in a utopic paradise. The punishment for disbelief is eternal, irreversable torture and pain.
A father who tells his children that he will only give them one chance to learn isn’t a good father.
A good father is patient and kind. A good father understands that a child will mess up and need to learn some lessons on their own. A good father would never consider the complete destruction of his child for the sake of his own ego. A good father would be terribly pained by his child’s pain and suffering. A good father would do everything in his power to prevent that pain.
The idea that the only way “up” is through required love doesn’t sound like love.
Imagine seeing a parent out in the world. Imagine hearing that parent say “If you don’t love me the way I want you to love me, then I will kill you” to their child. That would not be a good parent. That would be a petty, abusive, manipulative piece of trash. You would do well to save that child from that parent.
God doesn’t exist.
Imagine playing civilization IV and everything is just peaceful, boring isn’t it? Gad also have right to have fun and see the nukes fly
Whenever your thoughts about God become longer than a shit post you’ve officially put too much thought into it
You’ve re-framed an old philosophical problem: Why does (an omnipotent, benevolent) God allow evil? See Theodicy on Wikipedia
God gives little kids leukemia, or at least allows it, which goes to the problem of evil, that if God is all-knowing and all-encompassing and still allows evil to occur, or has a plan that involves evil occurring, then God is not all-good, God is himself part evil. If God is omnipotent, then there is no reason for evil to exist beyond him having cruel fun at our expense. And that’s not even getting into the non-human suffering.
Christianity likes the idea that Lucifer disobeyed God and was cast down, but Lucifer IS god, just as much as God is, just as much as we are or the stones and moss in nature are. Lucifer couldn’t do anything other than God’s plan, because omnipotence.
So the only way the supposedly omnipotent God thought to run the universe requires a large chunk of the souls he created to be cast into hell forever. Why? What the fuck was the point of that? God is petty, spiteful, vindictive, callous and cold. Or not omnipotent. One or the other. You know what? Either way I’m not going to “worship” it.
And then there’s the most obvious third answer, that there’s no god, which is the only option that makes sense at this level.
