There’s a difference between complicite and state-run media.
They only report on that which their handlers instruct them to report.
Independent state run media can be harsher on governments than corporate controlled media. Editorial independence is key. The ABC in Australia was the harshest critic of government in the media space until they got hobbled by the LNP government sacking and stacking the board with ex-politicians and corporate media suckups.
Yeah. That’s why Snowden flew to Russia to whistleblow
Yeah…we’re fucked. There isn’t a single large media outlet left that isn’t just an appendage of MAGA.
Yep. The interesting thing about propaganda is that it doesn’t even need to openly agree with the current regime.
You can have superficially critical media, who none the less support the regime they criticise through things like framing, the agenda setting effect, or promoting apathy/hopelessness to suppress voter turn out.
With that last thing in mind, I should say that Americans are not fucked, that the result of the next election is not a foregone conclusion, and that they should vote… but even I am having trouble believing it and not falling into cynicism or nihilism.
The best thing that can be said about media that’s “critical” of MAGA these days is that’s it’s functioning as entertainment for people who will ultimately do nothing. All this hand-wringing and wondering if Trump is evil or not does his bidding…puts people to sleep. We’re long past the point where civilized people should have revolted.
Nah, we’re fucked. The best we can hope for is a Democratic “landslide”…where a bunch of centre-right capitalists get rewarded for waiting around doing nothing. They’ll prove to be corrupt, feckless and ineffective…because they are…and whatever MAGA morphs into will be acting like Stalin was in charge and we’ll get MAGA 3.0. We’re very far off from a proper revolution…which is necessary to stop this constant slide into unrestricted capitalism.
Yeah. Social media and doom scrolling are the new opium of the masses.
I hate how the world still has a medieval mindset.
80 Venezuelans were murdered to safely extract Maduro.
And you think adding american troops to that death toll would have been better? For shame!
Just because ice is doing ethnic purity policing with death camps doesn’t mean the Wehrmacht is dirty!
right?? and how is killing civilians a form of safe, anyway?
80 Venezuelans were murdered to safely extract Maduro.
Don’t worry. Hollywood will soon start working on a movie about how sad this made the Americans who murdered them.
I was thinking about that.
Maybe Trumps lawyers manage to successfully argue their way into the capture being legal because Maduro was not a recognized head of state.
But how the fuck do you justify 80 dead to reach that goal? Where in international law says that’s allowed? And why is nobody seemingly asking that question?
It’s an act of war.
Exactly. Trump just used the US military, without authorization from Congress, to break international law, abduct a foreign head of state, and murder 80 innocent people.
He’s committed treason, for at least the second time, in front of the entire world. The first person to capture or kill him will become incredibly rich and powerful, and no one will care that he’s gone.
At this point I’d say it’s open season on anyone openly supporting him, or assisting him with his agenda.
The first person to capture or kill him will become incredibly rich and powerful, and no one will care that he’s gone.
I’m so confused about this. Millions of people support everything he does even if it’s pedophilia but now magically you think that changed overnight?
Trumps actions are undeniably evil and insane, but calling Maduro’s military (which performed a coup after he lost the election) innocent is naive to the point of stupidity.
Yes I recognize that there were also civilian casualties which is undeniably evil and insane as well.
Why is this considered illegal?
International law is based on jurisdictional control based on sovereignty. Meaning that crimes committed in a country are handled by the country of origin, unless the countries in question have an extradition policy with each other.
For example, how do you think Americans would respond if China put out a warrant on Trump or any other American representative and then sent in a special ops team to extract them?
Even when looking at the situation purely from the American court system… It’s going to be a hard case for any prosecutor to really present. The warrant was put out by grand jury, where the justice department doesn’t really have to present any real evidence and there is no defense.
Ok interesting points thank you for that.
Now, legitimate question not just what aboutisms, Obama did some things like this using fisa court stuff if I’m not mistaken is that not considered legal then? How would that be handled?
Seriously the important difference is that Maduro is the Venezuelan president. Abducting him like this is an attack on the government itself, on Venezuela as a country. Big difference between attacking part of the government and attacking its citizens.
I don’t know all that Obama did and the FISA courts were/are sketchy as hell, but one big difference in the “right way” to do this kind of thing is to coordinate with the foreign government and get their okay to enter the country and arrest their citizens. That’s simply not possible with a president, unless you’re intentionally supporting a coup. Which … this kinda is except there was no other group looking to take power.
Ok interesting points thank you.
Pretty much all international law is mostly a fictional construct, especially for major powers. Legality is dictated from the pulpit, and there is no overruling globalized government.
However, imo pretty much anything that a secret court dictates is a legal fiction dreamed up to legitimize illegal/morally decrepit actions.
How would that be handled?
The same way the current predicament will be… There may be some geopolitical blowback, but no one is going to hold anyone accountable.
The media has been complicit in illegal wars at least as far back as William Randolph Hearst.
William Randolph Hearst
Complicit? Motherfucker was the catalyst.
Im highly skeptical there was a whistle blower and I’m not sure why anyone is hopeful like that
More likely is the administration just coordinated with the news orgs and they all willingly went along with it
Go check polymarket, lots of people new before hand and made bets on it
Gross
Billionaire owned media acts as a legitimization machine for neoliberal governments because those governments work for capital first and foremost.
Should have leaked it to the Guardian, they’re not a subservient bunch of billionaire controlled lickspittles.
If they had leaked it, Venezuela might be a lot worse off by now. I think they know that.
Yeah what heroes /s
It’s the same people.
The people that direct our “parties” with their “donations” own the vast majority of the media. They’re not going to investigate the government anymore or report the news, we’re way beyond that.
Next on FOX, Brittany Spears said something mean about the President! A four person panel of celebrities will discuss at eleven.
“Brave whistleblower” should have picked less neoliberal / right wing papers to leak to if that’s the case. Like, for anyone else thinking of doing something like this, leak to smaller outlets that are willing to violate journalistic norms (and risk pissing off the government) and also to the big guys. Then when the smaller outlets report on it, the bigger papers are forced to move or miss the story.
Move or miss the story? The small outlets are covering all the shit in the epstein files while msm ignores it entirely. This isn’t the 50s where “missing the scoop” matters, they pick and choose what they want to report and when.
This post is disinformation with an editorialized post title. Here is the actual source: https://www.semafor.com/article/01/03/2026/new-york-times-washington-post-held-off-on-reporting-venezuela-raid
The decisions in the New York and Washington newsrooms to maintain official secrecy is in keeping with longstanding American journalistic traditions — even at a moment of unprecedented mutual hostility between the American president and a legacy media that continues to dominate national security reporting.
Tl;dr: the only thing that’s surprising is that they kept this tradition even with Trump’s attacks on them. whatever your feelings on the topic this behavior is not our of the ordinary.
Thanks for the link.
Fediverse vs Disinformaiton
OP posts a blue checkmark Twitter screenshot.
It’s not a tabloid source, at least. Still, I think this community specifically should have a higher sourcing standard.
I notice that a lot of mods on the fediverse sadly carry over the reddit tradition of doing the bare minimum amount of actual moderating.
I saw one mod respond in a thread like this. They expressed that the post’s alignment/content was more important than sourcing.
Granted, that’s a sample size of one; I think most mods aren’t like that. Still, a sentiment bordering on ‘misinformation is fine as long as its the right kind’ is horrifying to me. It sums up everything wrong with the world’s information ecosystem.
Oof, I wouldn’t want that in any community, but a community specifically about disinformation is particularly disturbing. I reported this thread to the mods, if it’s not removed shortly I guess I’ll be reporting it to my instance admins for removal too.
It wasn’t this community, it was somewhere in .world I think.
Well the ordinary in this country is total fucking bullshit so that tracks
