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    Stephen miller asserts obviously morally objectionable thing. Gets red in the face and foams at the mouth trying to appear confident when attempting to explain it’s logic or morality.

    More at 6.

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    Actually, they don’t.

    When Denmark sold the Danish West Indies to USA in 1916-1917, part of that deal was to ratify that USA accepted the full Danish ownership of Greenland.

    At the time, this was done to keep Norway from making claims to Greenland.

    But anyway, we quite literally have a document written by USA and signed by USA stating that Denmark alone owns Greenland.

    Edit: Took some time to find, but here it is signed by U.S Secretary of State Robert Lansing who made the deal under President Woodrow Wilson.

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      So you signed a piece of paper. A treaty with a nation that broke treaties (with native Americans) since the start of its existence and you expect a century old piece of paper with a country that has been breaking treaties for twice that long to be worth anything?

      Lol

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        They don’t give a shit because nobody is holding them accountable. The rest of the western world is waiting for the American people to start holding their government accountable and it’s just not happening.

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          It didn’t happen in Germany or Japan even after they were firebombed and / or nuked.

          People really don’t like holding power - even the formerly poweful - to account; and people in power generally don’t like it either (unless it suits them).

          I suspect it’s partly because doing so would lead to the obvious question: who gave then the power in the first place?

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            You are making some pretty wild statements… those in power don’t actually like holding power? That is a bonkers statement to me. The people who SHOULD have the power never do, because they simply don’t want the power. I can maybe see that, but the people in this day and age that HAVE the power? Most definitely want it, in fact I’d argue they want even more. Gluttonous savage pigs that they are. Will consume and consume and consume until someone puts a stop to it.

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      Great

      When the bombs start dropping, don’t forget to wave this piece of paper at them, I’m sure they’ll care

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        That’s the point Steven Miller was trying to make. Don’t give it validity. The international community must insist on following the law, as it’s written on paper.

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        Dropping bombs where?

        The only military presence on Greenland is already the American NATO base. Everyone else up there are civilians.

        They’re gonna bomb the snow just for the fuck of it?

        The whole thing is absurd. It’s a distraction.

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      “Nobody’s going to fight the United States militarily over the future of Greenland,” Mr. Miller told Jake Tapper

      “We live in a world, in the real world, Jake, that is governed by strength, that is governed by force, that is governed by power,” he said. “These are the iron laws of the world since the beginning of time.”

      “The United States of America is running Venezuela,” Mr. Miller said, dismissing international treaties enshrining a nation’s right to independence and sovereignty as “international niceties.”

      He’s not arguing we have some ‘legal’ right, he’s arguing that since we have a military, we can do whatever we want wherever we want so long as no one is able to successfully stop us…

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        He’s also asking what right Denmark has to it, which is what I addressed. USA gave us that right.

        I don’t really think they’re going to do anything just now. USA can already have all the military they want on Greenland. They’re the ones who are supposed to protect it, so if they choose to attack, what the hell are they supposed to attack? The snow?

        It would basically mean that they withdraw from NATO, which is a bit over the top for putting a flag in the snow in an area they already control.

        I think that it’s all a distraction. They’re probably going for a surprise attack in Panama any day now.

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          I guess in the CNN interview he said that? I just read the article, which would make me think his response would simply be “Well Denmark’s smaller military means they have no rights”.

          But you are absolutely right that USA can pretty much already stage whatever military presence they want in Greenland so long as everyone can rationalize it as supporting NATO objectives, which would generally rubber stamp Greenland. The ‘we need Greenland for defense’ rings hollow with that.

          However, I think the military is an excuse, and they really want:

          • To have probable ports in a potentially more relevant shipping activity and extract some economic control from that position
          • To hedge bets against warming to have some land that might be more attractive if local temperatures rise a certain amount
          • Exert greater pressure on Canada to join up, being surrounded basically on all sides by USA.

          They see a significant land mass with fewer than 100k as a cakewalk, from a force perspective, and given their ‘might makes right’ philosophy, it could be a likely next stepping stone.

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        He’s giving some serious Hitler vibes. Also, Thrasymachus.

        He’s also basically saying that if anyone is capable of violently overthrowing the US, then they have a right to do so.

        Also, dismissing international treaties as “niceties” comes very close to treason, as he’s basically saying to disregard the laws as they were written by constitutional authority.

        If legal documents no longer count for anything, then neither does the constitution. That would mean the US government has no legal authority.

        It’s a dangerously slippery slope, but I think he’s lusting for the chaos that would result.

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      Might want to ask the indigenous people how effective pieces of paper are at holding back the US military.

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        If you can’t trust the agreements that a government makes, what good is that government.

        Some might think it’s cool that the current administration don’t give a shit and is all about action over words, but it’s not going to be pretty when they themselves rely on words.

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    So what? Miller sprays his bald head with paint.

    I’m not even kidding

    Never listen to a head painter

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    Our military needs to be reminded that they work for the Constitution, not a fucking pedophile rapist felon dictator. If the Pedo-in-Chief gives an illegal order or something that is just plain wrong, then need to grow a fucking spine and say no. Quit if you have to. Protest. Attacking other countries because a fascist PoS tells you to is like following Hitler’s orders— you wanna be remembered as being like fucking Hitler??? Wtf

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      The checks against this are designed to feel good, but require that people de facto forced into the military to sacrifice their own lives unilaterally.

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    Miller to CNN Host Jake Tapper:

    “We live in a world, in the real world, Jake, that is governed by strength, that is governed by force, that is governed by power,” he said. “These are the iron laws of the world since the beginning of time.”

    Stephen Miller is a sociopath, a fascist and a deeply insecure wannabe bully with a massive inferiority complex, second only to Trump.

    Make no mistake: This is it, the fascist and authoritarian takeover that history has been warning us about for 80 years. It’s back. These people will do everything in their power to make this happen, and they mean what they say. Greenland and Canada are already boosting defense spending. The world is gearing up for war in response to the belligerent Hitler-like threats from Trump and Putin.

    It will be almost impossible to prevent the use of nuclear weapons in a third world war. If Trump and the neo-fascist Republican Party are not removed from power soon, they will attempt to take over our half of the world. China will take Taiwan, and Putin will shoot for Europe after support for Ukraine wanes. When they’re finished, they’ll all turn on each other.

    That is where this kind of naked violence-is-the only-true-power kind of logic leads.

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      I just want to engineer green energy stuff and help people keep their lights on without destroying earth in the process, like I never signed up for any of this shit and I’m not ok with any of it.

      I want to destroy this admins legs so we can take a breath and have a talk amongst ourselves, this shit is getting wildly out of hand.

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      I wish that directly following that tirade about strength and power, Jake Tapper had punched the absolute fuck out of Stephen’s face and made him bawl his Nazi eyes out right in front of the cameras for his Nazi fans to be embarrassed by. Why was big balls the only Nazi that’s gotten his ass kicked lately?

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      I think historians looking back (assuming there are any) will say we’re already in the early stages of WW3. These are the opening moves of a global conflict.

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    According to…what? His pathetic need to be the biggest boy on the playground?

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      He said in the article, based on “no one’s going to stop us”:

      “Nobody’s going to fight the United States militarily over the future of Greenland,”

      “We live in a world, in the real world, Jake, that is governed by strength, that is governed by force, that is governed by power,” he said. “These are the iron laws of the world since the beginning of time.”

      “The United States of America is running Venezuela,” Mr. Miller said, dismissing international treaties enshrining a nation’s right to independence and sovereignty as “international niceties.”

      If someone really deserves just getting a beat down, it’s Stephen Miller.

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      you can’t really be this misguided can’t you, Trump can do no wrong until he fucking dies, he’s a child fucker did that cause him to lose any support, fucking no, get your head out of your ass

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      or he will lose Maga

      It boggles my goddamn mind that 10 years later nobody understands what’s happening in the US

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    To be clear, he essentially claimed that the US has the capability to forcibly do that- which isn’t so much an assertion that the US has any right to do a thing, it is that laws and rights are meaningless in his view. He’s framing a potential invasion or coup not supported by law or rights as if it’s legitimized by either, while fundamentally subverting the notion that anyone but the powerful have rights the US is bound to respect.

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    His assertion is that might makes right, so according to Stephen Miller, all Denmark has to do is shoot him in the face.

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    Please, someone, save us from the Republicans. Invade us Normandy style. We’d throw you a parade.