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    “That wouldn’t have happened if we were there,” Birdsong said. “Not a single person would have gotten touched.”

    It s going to be hilarisou when your learn that even if you are armed if doesnt give you the right to impeach law enforcement in their duty. You have lost the plot and i hope you have a little self peservation instinct before doing something stupid thinking you being a martyr will do anything specially when it s regarding an issue you litteraly loose the majority vote on it.

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      “Law enforcement in their duty.”

      ICE agents have no legal authority to conduct police actions or abduct people without cause. There is no legal justification for any of this. It is naked fascism, tolerated because no one will stop them.

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        you know ice is a structure that is more than 20 year old ? Im pretty sure they have legal authority

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          ICE has no jurisdiction over American citizens. All they can do is detain/arrest someone obstructing their legal role: detaining and deporting immigrants. Further, all law enforcement, federal and local are trained NOT to handle that situation with a civilian by shooting them in the face while they are behind the wheel of a moving vehicle. He acted stupidly and illegally, which one suspects he knew since he fled the scene.

          Additionally, federal officials are constitutionally prohibited from forcing their way into your residence without a warrant signed by a judge.

          So while ICE has a narrow legal mandate, they have far outstripped those bounds.

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            All they can do is detain/arrest someone obstructing their legal role

            Seem like thay have some then

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      ICE isn’t law enforcement

      Plus the majority of them are mega pussy freaks who will absolutely be afraid and stay away. Such as being afraid of being run over as a car drives near you

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        they are litteraly law enforcement. Im pretty sure threataning violence about what you called pussy freak that are armed is a good idea. It s a game where you have no outcome that will be a win for you. But do as you want and play the game im sure it s going to go the way you want

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      The law can be wrong. The law is not the final say. The people are the final say, and they have the right to impeach as much of the law as they want if the law has failed in serving them.

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          The people who build your roads, teach your children, and take care of you when you’re sick have a right to a living wage.

          Taxes pay their wages.

          If there is a disparity in the taxes you pay, the wages of these workers, and the rich people of your country, then it’s time to do something about it. And lo, it’ll probably end up in violence.

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      Fuck yeah! More violence! Let the blood run through the streets, may your children grow up without fathers, and your daughters carry your replacement for the front.

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        Congrats on getting the most downvotes I think I’ve seen someone get on Lemmy in a long time.

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        There is a whole universe of difference between Black Panthers present as an armed deterrent to defend protesters peacefully exercising their First Amendment rights, and agents provocateurs there to start shit and raise hell to light the match for the real violence against all of us to begin.

        Or, to put it more simply, do you see these guys shooting? No. You do not. You see them walking calmly in open carry. That is not violent protest; it is a very strong preventive of violent protest.

        And frankly you sound angrier about that than you do the reason the Black Panthers are there in the first place. Maybe go read something about the Black Panthers, starting with the above article. You might learn something. They are on the side of the community, first and foremost. That may not be your side, but it sure as fuck is mine.

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        We didn’t start the bloodshed, the Republicans are attacking us and we are merely defending our safety.

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        I’d hate to see them shoot anyone in the face, like some kind of ICE agent, that sure would be terrible. Expect that they don’t. They are defensive, they are heroes, take your rhetoric of imagined violence and shove it up your ass where the real brutalization and murder of innocence lives.

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        Maybe you shouldn’t have voted for this then. Weird how the one not wanting bloodshed is the one perfectly fine with what’s going on.

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        didn’t realize trying to deter people from committing violence by showing that you can defend yourself was itself committing violence

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        They have committed no acts of violence. Arguably they are the most effective deterrent

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        may your children grow up without fathers, and your daughters carry your replacement for the front.

        At the current rate you, your wife and your children will die in a concentration camp or get executed for looking at a fed the wrong way. Better to die resisting than while licking boot.

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      Agreed! Just to remind everyone, from Wikipedia:

      The Black Panther Party (originally the Black Panther Party for Self-Defense) was an American far-left, Marxist–Leninist and black power political organization

      Marxism-Leninism offers answers to the literal problems we’re living today. Organize and read!!

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    cue white liberal tears about how non-violence protests are the only way In 3, 2, 1…

    White liberals love to think that you have one big protest is the effective way. It’s not. It’s a fucking circle jerk protest.

    Non violent protests ONLY work when they are large and sustained. We’re talking daily massive protests that grinds daily living to a halt. If your protest is grinding everything to a halt, you don’t have a protest. You have a strike.

    At that point, it is really only a matter of time before the State attempts to prevent everything by using physical violence on everyone. Armed allies act as a deterrent.

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    Peaceful protests are like praying: you’re accomplishing nothing and still think you’re helping.

    For it to work, the politician class must care about your opinion, and they care not, because they have no obligation to care. Please remember that the only political power you have is your vote, everything else is meaningless.

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    Fuck yes! Show them something more than a sign saying “I’m not very happy about the current state of affairs. Sorry”!

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      Agreed! We should all take example from the Marxist-Leninists over at the Black Panthers and organize to protect each other from the fascists in power in the US and in the EU!

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    I understand black Panthers or for blacks folks. But it’s it also open to other folks like Hispanics?

    There’s a lot of vets that are Hispanic that could and would help, but again I understand if this is only a black folks only thing.

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      Wasn’t MC5 part of the White Panthers?

      When people talk about “the boomers” as one big monolith, I have to chuckle because they are clearly overlooking things like this…

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      Historically, there were a few contemporaneous Panthers equivalents for other minority groups. The Hispanic one was The Young Lords

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      Hispanic protestors used to have the Young Lords and the Brown Berets, who the Panthers have partnered with in the past.

      Both, as far as I know, are no longer active, but I’m sure there would be support for reviving them today.

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        There was also the White Panther Party back in the 60s-70’s formed mostly of white college kids following the Panther model. Essentially a more explicitly revolutionary alternative to SNCC, which was itself highly influential in the anti-war movement at the time.

        These days there are several Panther groups doing smaller scale community self defence and mutual aid across the country, many of them led by second and third generation Black Panthers.

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      The real Black Panthers? They would… probably still prefer it to be a sister org to focus on the African American community but they would very much be allies.

      These Black Panthers? Who the hell knows?

      Because the thing people forget is that the reason The Black Panthers were so effective wasn’t because they were walking around locked and loaded. It was because of all the community outreach they did. So when the (white) cops and government came knocking? The neighborhoods locked arms because these were people who had been protecting them and who cared about them.

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        Considering that the federal government is shuttering things like SNAP, there is a vacuum for Rainbow Panthers to fill the void.

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        So, in the article it very specifically highlights their many community programs like the food program they’re doing in several locations.

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        A big part of the reason why the Black Panthers were so successful was that they followed a consistent, liberating anti-imperialist ideology:

        The Black Panther Party (originally the Black Panther Party for Self-Defense) was an American far-left, Marxist–Leninist and black power political organization founded by college students Bobby Seale and Huey P. Newton in October 1966