Greenland’s prime minister has said “we choose Denmark” before high-stakes talks at the White House as Donald Trump seeks to take control of the Arctic territory.
Amid rising tensions over the US president’s push, Jens-Frederik Nielsen on Tuesday told a joint press conference with his Danish counterpart, Mette Frederiksen, that the island would not be owned or governed by Washington.
“We are now facing a geopolitical crisis. If we have to choose between the US and Denmark here and now, we choose Denmark, Nato and the EU,” Nielsen said, adding that the island’s “goal and desire is peaceful dialogue, with a focus on cooperation”.Trump’s pursuit of the island was also a matter of “international law and our right to our own country”, he said.
Calling it now. But, European politicians are so incredibly subservient to America. They will literally “give” Greenland to America before they dissolve NATO.
Or, America will just invade, and they’ll basically treat it like it didn’t happen. They’ll condemn it on paper. Say things like “this really puts into question blah blah blah” but they’ll literally take no material action against it. At best they have some meaningless vote in the UN about it that does nothing.
Europe is the equivalent of the Democratic party at this point. Just pointing at “bad thing” and going along with it entirely. All while trying to keep the “moral high ground”.
You guys should be burning down your cities if America takes Greenland and Europe does nothing. Your politicians are cowards just like ours are. Don’t expect them to do anything to resist.
You went too far here. Europe is weak (because it’s divided, because EU was never meant to be “strong” and always relied on soft power, because it has to fight all the same enemies as US does) but it’s definitely not on the same team as US. Like, not even close. So far EU is keeping the moral high ground for example by respecting it’s citizens rights. Some member countries are worse then others but as a whole EU is still far away from becoming an autocratic hellhole the US is.
Chat control doesn’t sound very much like respecting citizen’s rights
Which part of it? I read the legislation and I think it does respect citizen’s rights. Which paragraphs do you find problematic?
Perhaps the entire idea that the government can spy on all your communications?
You have to be talking about some different Chat Control because the one I read doesn’t allow anything like that. At least I think it doesn’t. Can you point me to the specific part that covers it? Maybe I missed it.
But seriously, I can see you read some scary headlines that have nothing to do with reality. Of course you’re not going to read the legislation yourself and hearing it form some random guy on lemmy will not change your mind because you read it on some random blog so it has to be true but for anyone interested, the proposed law specifically says that “the regulation shall not prohibit, make impossible, weaken, circumvent or otherwise undermine cybersecurity measures, in particular encryption, including end-to-end encryption”.
OK, first off, fuck you and your smug-ass tone.
It seems that last year the legislation was amended and it removed the requirement that providers scan all messages and added the part that you quoted at the end. But it would require age verification which is something else of which I am opposed to the very idea.
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/12/after-years-controversy-eus-chat-control-nears-its-final-hurdle-what-know
So you just said something 100% wrong and then doubled down on it despite not knowing much about it but the problem is that I’m smug… Yeah…
Age verification would be only required for services that are considered high risk for grooming and would have to be done in a way that preserves privacy and all the rights guaranteed by GDPR regulation. It’s still just a proposal, nothing was approved. Personally I don’t like it but I see it as a reasonable compromise for a regulation aimed at protecting children. Other than that we can simply ignore the issue and do nothing. And I do hope nothing will be done but since they were working on a law that was supposed to do something it’s normal they come up with something like that. Taking this and saying “EU doesn’t respect citizen’s rights” is in best case ignorant, in worst misinformation.
Because after years of some members of the EU pushing the version the person you replied to described, it was changed to pass it quicker.
The encryption ban will still come, don’t worry. They’ll try again when there’s a good crisis.
So true.
It’s scary, it’s like all the major developed civilizations are saying
“Look we’re all spying on each other because we’re definitely planning on fighting so you best either get out of our way or shut up about it.”
Yea but countries fight that here. Romania didn’t agree for example.
In the US, if trump says something it happens, or ICE starts shooting civilians. That doesn’t happen, at least in my country, as corrupt as it is.
States seem pretty fkin powerless in the US whereas in the EU we can still do whatever we want. We just ger kicked out if we cross the line.
Oh shit, does that mean Europeans will get shot in the face now too? You know, to control their chatting. Like in the USA, if you say “I’m not mad at you”, you get shot in the face.
Yeah, chat control is not great, but is FAR FAR FAR from what’s happening in the Fascist States of America.
Chat control means if it ever comes to being shot in the face, we won’t have widely available encrypted chats available to organise anymore.
We will. They will just be “illegal” and not provided by one of the tech corporations but by regular programmers.
It’s all code, written by people. The same people can write code to do good or to do bad.
I can create an encrypted chat app and not give the government encryption keys. Host it on a simple server for anyone to download.
Yes, now good luck distributing your self hosted app to a big enough group of people to start getting people organized. Especially people who don’t know how to install apps that aren’t on the official stores.
Otherwise, Matrix would already fill this niche, but even that’s too much for normies.
Plus when it’s illegal, they don’t need to know what you’re doing, just that it’s encrypted and you’re connecting to a service they don’t have the keys for and isn’t on a whitelist either. Enough to arrest you.
It didn’t start with people getting shot in the face. Chat control is a big step in that direction.
You all are fighting on who’s riding the biggest turd boat into the sea and you’re both making find points :)
The US is putting Nazi slogans on the government speech podiums and trying to annex countries that are too weak to put up a fight.
The EU is trying to remove private communication.
I think the US is a about 11:59 on the doomsday clock, the EU is about 10:45
We’re both mostly fucked, the EU has more time to turn around, but that’s not likely either.
I meant it in terms of an insult. Not as them being actually equal. They’re as subservient as the Democratic party is in terms of how their leadership bows to the interest of capital. And the interest of capital are aligned with the fascist leaders of America.
I think the generally unspoken hope is that democracy in the US is not completely fucked and that the transition to full-on fascism can still be reverted after Trump’s political or physical death (both of which seem ever so close).
I think that’s called “appeasement.” It’s worked great throughout history.
I can’t think of a single time that appeasement backfired!
Obviously /s
Ah I see NATO subscribes to the Democratic playbook too.
I would agree, were this of far flung ‘allies’ like Taiwan. Europe might have let that happen. But Greenland is firmly within Europe. Everyone knows the fallout from such an invasion.
You do realize that the US delegates so much of its arctic capabilities to the scandinavian countries in NATO that it would be a balanced fight at least in the beginning, right?
Given America’s obvious advantages with the scale of its military resources, I thought that the fight would be easy too, but after thinking about it I’m not so sure. War is not simply a matter of having advanced weapons and lots of units.
Considering how retarded Trump’s administration is and how demoralised the most professional and loyal military personnel are, combined with civil unrest domestically… I don’t think Trump can execute a successful invasion of another country without losing everything. More competent administrations (barely more*) have started wars and it cost them dearly in the ballot box.
You can have the best jets and ships and missiles, but if the personnel operating them think you are a pedophile and a traitor, giving illegal orders through a compromised chain of command… how effective do you think they will be in a theater of war?
Let’s hope we never find out.
We can insult the regime without restoring to abelist slurs.
I mean you just need to look at all the wars the USA has lost against much weaker countries. Vietnam, Korea, Afghanistan, just to mention a few.
And the only wars they actually won in the more modern times were with the help of EU NATO allies.
They can’t do shit on their own. They’re only good at “strike and run away” operations, like the one in Venezuela.
How is that AT ALL relevant to what I said? Why are you discussing something that will literally never happen? The capitalist that own America also own Europe. That’s why your politicians are such subservient losers just like ours are. They are owned by the same interests. They’re just consolidating that ownership and making the lines clear. That’s all the Greenland play is. It’s to put your politicians in their place and ensuring they bend the knee to the fascist powers.
Those same capitalists writing GDPR and Digital services act both in EU and US?
Just don’t talk like you have a crystal ball, you people with your pseudointellectual cynicism have been very wrong before, multiple times.
So you think that there would be actual armed resistance to American invasion of Greenland? Like, I want to be clear. You’re that dumb?
I’m sorry. I write my comments for people with some form of intelligence. When I said “America just invades” I wrote that with the assumption that my reader had at least a minimal understanding of geopolitics. That this would just be literal a symbolic lowering and raising of the flag. Because no one is gonna die for Greenland mate.
Are you? Are you gonna volunteer? Go ask any European that same question. Ask them if they want to go defend Greenland and die for it.
I didn’t think there would actually be someone dumb enough to think there would be any meaningful form of armed conflict.
I don’t think there’s a need to be this condescending.
When Russia started the big invasion of Ukraine, the first thing I said in the morning was “fuck”. The second was “well, at least it will be over in a couple of days”. Because of course it will be, Russia is 4 times the population, has a bigger industrial base, a significant technological advantage, a giant land border with plenty of logistical connections, and nobody has given Ukraine any material support during the Crimea thing. And yet we’re coming up to the end of the fourth year of war with no end in sight for now. Plenty of europeans volunteered to help, some of them were nazis who wanted to kill russians, for sure, but not all of them.
And remember that Ukraine was barely considered Europe at that point, it’s still not in the EU or NATO.
So while I also think the most likely outcome is either a “sale” of some kind, or a bloodless 1-day “special military operation” and strong-worded letters, I won’t dismiss other possibilities straight out of the gate.
It will definitely speed up Europe’s decoupling from the US, and the only viable alternative partner is China, which would be a massive win for European communist and socialist parties. In the long term it will also speed up the destruction of the US empire’s power, which is a massive win for proletariat everywhere.