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This is the parable of the sheep and the goats in action lol
The whole thing about Jesus saving us by suffering and dying… If god was all powerful, he could have saved us without all the suffering part. Since he had to suffer, there are rules that god must adhere to. If god has to obey rules, then he is not all powerful.
…wat? It’s not because there’s rules (he very well could have simply snapped his fingers), it’s because he wanted to demonstrate to us how much he loved us. It has to do with the whole “he is the embodiment of both perfect love and perfect justice” thing.
“I’m going to torture and murder this man who helped the poor and sick, just to show you how much I love you”.
Yeah, seems pretty on point for the “you are my chosen people, murder everyone else” god.
So god is a masochist?
He could have demonstrated how much love there is by removing all suffering from the world by snapping his fingers too.
If God is truly this powerful, He’s a psychopath.
He can create us perfect and kind and loyal, and specifically chooses not to. Instead, He bullies us into serving Him, going for a murder spree in the meanwhile, knowing full well it is entirely avoidable.
All to show how much He loves us.
Everyone be like “god is merciful and love us all” and then the god smile, bend down, and give sweetheart little Timmy bone cancer.
Timmy would have grown up to be a trump cucking maga shitbrain.
fuck Timmy.
Yet Trump has to live on?..
It’s interesting how art reframes familiar stories to highlight empathy and responsibility in a simple way.
(OT: nice nostalgic username btw. Reminds me I have to take my back pain medication.)
Thanks and same.
MBA in theology
Remember, the concept of hell doesn’t exist anywhere in Jewish or Christian scripture. It’s a much later Hellenist addition.
I’m atheist but Jesus definitely references hell in the Bible
A quick Google search returned this (a few are from the new testament and the evangelists):
This is incorrect. The word “hell” is not Greek, Hebrew, or Aramaic and does not occur anywhere in scripture. Every time you see the word “hell” that word has been intentionally mistranslated from other words that already have clear, unambiguous meanings. Aside from word choices, the concept itself originates in Hellenism, the literal Greek Hades. The Roman cults injected their own tradition into the growing Christian cult, and gradually it evolved in the cartoonishly silly “fiery underworld of eternal torture” concept, a very convenient tool for controlling a populace through dogmatic terror.
Where can I read more on this?
Googled (ddgd actually), found this: https://earlychristianhistory.net/hell.html haven’t read it yet, so don’t judge my reading comprehension.
They talk about three words and it’s pretty meaningless:
This is the word most commonly
usedmistranslated in the New Testament as “hell.”Just because people use a word that doesn’t mean it’s used accurately. See previous comments about how hell is a later mistranslation.
This is the name of the Greek god of the underworld… it appears to mean a grave
Ok. Irrelevant.
This is a portion of the underworld… Here one finds Tantalus, Sisyphus, and others enduring such fates.
This word from greek mythology appears only once in book of Peter. Never mentioned by Jesus.
The weakness of all this “evidence” kinda says it all.
That’s about the word “hell”. The concept is there. In fact many of the verses do not mention the name of the place, just the description or punishment
The concept is also not there. In the Hebrew the word sheol is used. This literally means “the grave” and is used for death and the dead, exactly as we understand it in a modern secular sense.
Gehenna is one of the words used by Jesus. This is dripping with meaning from the Old Testament, where children were burned alive in sacrifice to other gods and buried in a potters field nearby. It is symbolic of meaningless, pointless, anti-covenantal death, then being anonymously buried and forgotten like garbage, rather than beloved family.
Jesus also uses Hades — literally the Greek underworld — for a parable to a Hellenist audience. The parable is about culpability and the permanence of the consequences of wickedness. Wicked people would not be swayed even by a dead relative appearing and warning them. This is a parable, a literary device, not a sudden declaration that the Hellenist underworld, foreign to Judaism, is physically objectively real.
Jewish scripture is surprisingly consistent about this. Dead means dead. None of the New Testament authors contradict this. The controversy of the time was whether the dead would be resurrected and judged at the end of all things. That mythology began during the Maccabean revolt — which is also when the book of Daniel was written and assembled — and which is a major influence on Jesus and his teaching. In that mythology, dead is still dead, but they will be resurrected and judged. The righteous will be given a retirement plan and eternal life in a new creation, those who are not found righteous will be burned like trash and remain dead and forgotten forever.
I’m pretty sure that the Abrahamic concept of Hell isn’t from Hades, since Hades is not a place of suffering, just a place where dead people go without punishments or rewards, a concept that occurs in many, many religions. Tartarus, on the other hand, is more similar to the Abrahamic (or especially Christian) Hell, but the main distinction here is that Tartarus is reserved for the people that the gods are REALLY pissed with.
Basically, ancient Hellenic afterlife can be split into three places: Elysium, for very, very good people, Tartarus, for very, very bad people, and Hades for everyone else.
Hebrews had a concept “Shaol,” which later early Christians connected to Hades.
Also, Jesus references a “Lake of fire” and an “Outer darkness” where there will be “weeping and gnashing of teeth,” but those seem to be reserved for the hypocrite and oppressors who “laden men with burdens grievous to bear” and hoard resources while ignoring the needy.
Coincidentally, I just posted a more detailed breakdown to the other user. Even conceptually, words and phrases have been intentionally taken out of context and twisted to fit Hellenistic culture, tradition, and comfort.
Studying how religions, languages, and cultures change and evolve over time is fascinating. But Christianity is unique in that we have documentation for it all and can clearly see how history’s powerful twisted it into something that its namesake and founder would violently condemn.
They’re being pretty misleading IMO. The word “hell” doesnt appear anywhere in the original text, no. But neither does the word “heaven”.
And yet the concepts of heaven and hell, as Christians understand them, do exist in the text. There is the threat of eternal punishment after death. There is the promise of eternal reward after death.
That the english word we use doesnt exactly appear in the Hebrew, Greek or aramaic texts is quite frankly not worth mentioning.
of all the myths out there, this may very well be the least compelling.
So wait… God saved us by killing himself to save us from himself ???
Inception killing.
Trinity is messed up in so many wonderful ways tbh
Well… he saved us by making us kill him so he can forgive us for not listening to his orders.
“Okay, Judas Iscariot. I have a grand universal plan to eradicate original sin from the mortal plane. You have an extremely critical role in all of this: you must betray Jesus Christ, leading to his arrest, conviction and inevitable crucifixion.”
“Sure thing, God. What do I get in return?”
“As thanks for carrying out my plan exactly as I laid it out, you get several pieces of silver.”
"Oh and a sweet deal in the afterlife, right?
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And a sweet deal in the afterlife… Right?"
“Well, your name will be remembered forever”
“For being a critical part of the plan right?”
YHWH is literally panel 3.
Won’t someone unmute jeezus
What difference would that make?
Fuck me, I laughed way too hard at that.
I’d like to hear what he’s saying, for one.
“You been whippin’ them bankers like how I said to do? I best not be finding out you let Caesar co-opt my message in order to continue on the imperial project that killed me”
Hell yeah
EAT THE RICH
I think or something along those lines
Hell yeah
“picture of wojak face”: how dare you use my purported believes against me. Everyone knows that I can pick and chose what parts of infallible word of a literal god I believe in at any point in time, it’s actually you who’s hypocritical because you don’t share my believes therefore can’t talk about mine.
Matthew 25:36-40 has Jesus being pretty explicit about his followers being called to feed the hungry and comfort the sick.
I have a lot of respect for Christians who understand their Christianity and Jesus’s sacrifice as an obligation to take up the cross and follow him. I don’t have a lot of respect for “Christians” whose belief system solely amounts to their pastor telling them that god hates gays.
Christians hate it when you argue against their beliefs AND when you argue for their beliefs.
What an idiotic strawman.
It isn’t that “this argument wouldn’t work on me”, you addlepated twit, it’s that I WOULDN’T NEED SUCH AN ARGUMENT, LET ALONE THE THREAT OF ETERNAL DAMNATION, TO CONVINCE ME TO DO GOOD, and anyone who does require such a threat is a bad person, kept from committing heinous acts only by fear of retribution, and is worthy of contempt. Full stop.
pointless xtian hegemony, more spam from the false faith
Remember that religion is true to the poor, false to the rich, and useful to the powerful.
False to the rich when inconvenient, yes, even as they wrap themselves in the mantle of it for public appearance.
That’s when it’s useful to them.
Isn’t it wierd that ultimately Christianity is all about finding that one perfect human sacrifice to stop god being pissed at us.
Very succinctly put
Really tho… It’s a story that repeats endlessly. Blameless young person is murdered by the state for speaking the truth.
The religious stuff is a distraction from the actual politics.
Dude was a cult leader who broke up families and disrupted people attending religious ceremonies. The bible is effectively cult propaganda and it still reveals that.
And if you don’t sin, then Jesus died for nothing.
