Star Trek: Discovery S3E12 “There Is A Tide…”
I haven’t actually watched the new show or anything (no untagged spoilers in this thread, please), but this is the general vibe that I get from reading comments from people who have.
I watched the first episode (it’s on Youtube). After reading a the shit talked about it online already, I wasn’t sure what to expect. I honestly enjoyed it. It is not TNG/DS9/Voyager/etc, but it was well done. The actors, the characters, all have potential. It is no longer tethered to any other show/ship/character, so they have the freedom to do something new. I am encouraged.
Agreed. But it also has Holly Hunter as Barefoot Casual Spacemom.
So I’m probably going to watch it.
It’s been pretty enjoyable so far. Caleb, Jay-Den, Sam, and Genesis all have good chemistry as a main cast. Not every show needs to be TNG: Season 8. There’s some nits one could pick, but I’m looking forward to see where it goes once it’s out of character introduction and exposition mode.
My faves so far are the photonics (Sam and the Doctor) and Number One (half jem-hadar/half klingon). I don’t understand the hate. They even brought back the old Klingon design!
I don’t like that the premise is the same as micheal from discover.
Gets in trouble. Gets a chance at proving themselves after solving a problem that no one else could.
They really should have come up with something else.
But it’s fine.
I was kind of getting a “Harry Potter but scifi” vibe from the second episode.
Shenanigans followed by magic fix (slime). And the little magic holograms that pop up conveniently.
Oh and student teacher rivalry.
Yeah definitely a Hogwarts vibe. Or The magicians. But scifi.
I thought in the first episode the acting was a little rough but hey, watch the first season of tng, it’s rough too.
I’m still open to seeing more.
I’m not one of those trekies who hate anything that isn’t tos or TNG.
I like all of it except enterprise. And that’s mostly cause I really don’t like the captain. And I don’t know why but I don’t. And I can’t get over it.
I even mostly liked Picard. Especially the 1st season. Kinda downhill after that.
There’s plenty to critique in every series. Plenty of inconsistencies.
But I still enjoy the world building and stories.
Yesterday I watched a few minutes of the first episode. I was very confused, I guess I missed a few shows.
Is this show centred around a single character again?
No, it seems like it will follow a gaggle of students, but the premier starts with setting up the dark backstory of one of them in an over the top way and it takes forever. Eventually they get to Starfleet Academy.
::: Spoilers for the first 15 minutes: I found the setup for this baffling. The 3 minute military tribunal that determined that Caleb Mir should be ripped away from his mother felt very unlike anything I’ve come to expect from the Federation. Then it’s tonal whiplash with the person who took a child away from their mother trying to play surrogate mom and get the kid to go to school? :::
No worries if you found it confusing. Every few seconds there’s a baffling decision displayed, so it kinda short circuits the brain and makes it hard to pay attention.
I shut it off the first time I tried to watch it. Seems like the first half of the premier could have been a flashback in season 2.
I agree with my sister that it should have been a flashback later in the season; they didn’t need to tell us so directly in the first episode.
Then again, DS9 did the intro text thing explaining Wolf 359, so…
I just don’t trust the new owners of paramount.
I don’t watch star trek anymore. Havent watched SNW, haven’t watched this either, and won’t ever.
I hope one day I can go back and watch TNG or DS9 again without feeling the cringe from ST Picard.
I watched 5 episodes of STD and dumped it, it was awful CGI slop. I regretfully watched the nu trek movies and they’re literally much worse remakes of earlier star Trek movies.
Then came ST: Picard, which has managed to ruin even TNG for me for a long, long time. I knew it would be terrible but everyone and their mother was repeating the aggressive marketing campaign that it would be absolutely awesome and ooooohhh god it was bad. They fucking ruined Q… That pissed me off.
Want to watch the true successor to star trek, in heart and mind? Wat h the Orville. Seasons 1 &2 are awesome, 3 kinda went into the same shit direction like star trek with longer episodes, weaker stories and much, MUCH more CGI to make up for it and hope we wouldn’t notice. Season 3 is still not AS bad as nu trek, but it’s close. 1&2, though, best trek since DS9, they even have their TBOBW moment!
Like a fresh turd covered in glitter.
Star Trek needs some time off. I enjoyed these two episodes but after the Section 31 “movie”, and the quality of it all the past few years… It just needs to go away and find a new creative team.
My biggest complaint is all of the stairs. Why are there so many stairs?
It’s because how dare they risk that good boy to cordry rocks and the other dangers of space?
Does seem rather ableist.
But maybe they’re magic sci-fi stairs…
Like, not just an escalator, but a levitation ramp or some such? Could be fun.
It would use fields or something to do different things for different people; an escalator for some, a wheelchair life for others, normal stairs for those who choose, but for Miles O’Brien’s transporter clone stuck in the 32nd century, it sets the gravity to 10x and forces him to crawl with all his might to the stairs’ control panel. This happens once a week.
I’ve been holding out hope that during his tenure at the Academy (into the 25th century), that he’d made headmaster and get trapped/forced into a golum or photonic body. The suffering possibilities are endless.
His consciousness is uploaded after death into a torture simulation by a curious computer with emerging sentience for several hundred years a la I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream; when the computer finally learns its lesson and builds a new body for O’Brien’s backup consciousness, he just gets right back to work, centuries of technological progress be darned.
The series practically writes itself.
As someone who has attended a few colleges and universities- there are stairs flipping everywhere. Even outside.
Like they couldn’t level the campus grounds , no ? Stairs.Stairs into buildings. Stairs inside the buildings. Stairs in the parking garages. Stairs outside on the grounds by any buildings.
Stairs stairs and more stairs.
I swear it was intended to wear out the students to keep them from having too much energy on their hands. Or maybe intended to keep students in shape. Idk.
I can only assume the show creators visited universities (especially older campuses) and tried to be authentic.
Uh…maybe it’s because tens of thousands of students have to move between classes?
I went to a uni that used to be a gd WWII munitions factory and there weren’t that many stairs
They also have elevators
And ubiquitous site to site transporting
Why does a starship look like a casino in Reno?
Why does the Enterprise D bridge look like the interior of a 1990s car stretched out?
And being a former Vegas resident, DS9 accurately pictures being in one of the more run-down Vegas casinos.
Also, honestly, I think modern campus architecture has embraced this “casino look” you describe, weirdly enough.
I’m very happy with Academy so far, but I’m upvoting due the quality meme.
Same. I have no idea what people are complaining about, or even that they were complaining at all.
They just have to complain, even if they have nothing to complain about.
I think people who like Disco will like Starfleet Academy.
The premier had some neat parts, but I think the structure, pacing and writing of the show have moved away from something I easily recognize as Star Trek and at the end, I was left more confused than interested in more.
It took me far longer than I want to admit to understand you meant Discovery, and weren’t making a snarky comparison between those that like this show and those that enjoy Disco music.
I hated disco, academy is surprisingly ok so far.
Thx for sharing, I was considering never watching because I can barely watch discovery, and right now I am not subscribed to Paramount.
I guess I’ll try a trailer or something torrented.
I liked disco for the most part but so far the only parts of Academy I liked were Giamatti’s villan and the return of the Doctor.
The rest was just sort of a resounding ‘meh’; the plot didn’t hold me, the space-high-school melodrama between the cadets was boring and at times cringeworthy, and the big action sequence left me with more questions than answers.
I kind of disliked Giamatti’s character, honestly; just a bargain bin Harry Mudd.
Otherwised enjoyed it.
Paul Giamatti seemed to be in a different show than the rest of the cast. It was like Giamatti was playing a cartoon Joker. It really clanged with me, his jokes and humor didn’t work at all and I hope we don’t see him again.
I think part of it too is 32nd century Trek has already done a lot of sociopathic, who’s-gonna-stop-me, “because I’m evil”-type villains, and we need someone a little more gray, or at least psychologically compelling; as seen with Gul Dukat and Kai Winn, you can still pull off interesting but pure evil characters.
How big of a truck of money did they back up to his door for this?
Yeah, I think I’ll skip it tbh. Discovery was a chore to watch.
I gave NuTrek all the chances in the world. But I gave up on it when SNW had a holodeck episode and a bog standard one at that. I’m done.
SNW had a holodeck episode
Ahhh FFS. That sort of crap is too why I stopped watching star trek, completely. Star Trek used to be made by people who loved the show, now it’s a cash cow being milked to death and they hope with adding know actors and loads of CGI that we won’t notice. Hell, when the producers said they don’t really care much about Star Trek, that should have set off some alarm bells but nope, all good.
I watched 5 episodes of STD and dumped it, it was awful CGI slop. I regretfully watched the nu trek movies and they’re literally much worse remakes of earlier star Trek movies.
Then came ST: Picard, which has managed to ruin even TNG for me for a long, long time. I knew it would be terrible but everyone and their mother was repeating the aggressive marketing campaign that it would be absolutely awesome and ooooohhh god it was bad. They fucking ruined Q… That pissed me off.
Want to watch the true successor to star trek, in heart and mind? Wat h the Orville. Seasons 1 &2 are awesome, 3 kinda went into the same shit direction like star trek with longer episodes, weaker stories and much, MUCH more CGI to make up for it and hope we wouldn’t notice. Season 3 is still not AS bad as nu trek, but it’s close. 1&2, though, best trek since DS9, they even have their TBOBW moment!
I’m sorry you fell off the series. Everyone’s got their own tastes. Ironically enough Strange New World’s holodeck episode was a huge love letter and homage to classic Star Trek.
Yeah but so was VOY. It got there .
I’m not giving NuTrek any more chances. They already tried with 5 series and 1 movie. It’s never going to “get there”.
You say that in the presence of Lower Decks?? you peasant
I don’t like Lower Decks one bit. Cheap low brow humour and it still gets plenty wrong about Star Trek, just for the sake of a gag or the creation of drama.
The closest we got to something aligning properly with Star Trek is Prodigy, of all things.
I’ll agree to disagree, but surprised as I thought strange new worlds was pretty consistent with a traditional Star Trek…
Nah. S1 of snw was pretty tight. Then they started just being fucking idiots with it and it’s lost more and more wheels. The last season was garbage.
You only watched season 1 of LD didn’t you?
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I will admit Lower Deck is always a bit crass and that element never goes away, but the characters develop really well and it’s impressive how attached they get you to them in a total runtime shorter than TNG season 1, and the show gets surprisingly emotionally sincere as it goes on.
And I’d say seasons 3, 4, and maybe 5 have what I’d call legitimate contenders for some of the franchise’s best episodes. Honestly, if it’s really hard for you to watch season 2, just skip to Wej Duj and watch from there.
But honestly, if you can’t get past the crasser elements, I get that.
Havent really watched it, but I it had on in the background while doing some chores this weekend. (Its in rotation on the pluto Trek channel) Seemed alright, if maybe taking itself a little to seriously.
That being said one woman on the show had a voice that I swore was some pre pubescent alien character, when I walked by and saw it was an old woman I started laughing. So that was enjoyable.
