So, it seems like PieFed is becoming a real alternative to lemmy.
What are the differences between these two? From a tech perspective, and also morality/ethics, if you want. Any differences in vision for these services?
Say whatever is on your mind. I want to know.
On which one should we put our weight?
Edit: I will leave this post here, which is a post by one of the devs of Lemmy that enumerates some of the things Lemmy 1.0 has. Lemmy 1.0 seems to be already in alpha stage and is already testable. The feature selection does look fantastic. Here is the post I am referring to: https://lemmy.ml/post/40744781
What do you mean?
There was an allegation made some while back of Piefed having "hard-coded’ blocks of certain instances. In actuality there is a default setting when you spin up an instance to defederate from some of the most aggressive instances that are known to brigade, spam, and generally act trollish. You can simple uncheck those during or after setup though, so it’s a suggestion, not a forced state.
https://diggita.com/post/93963/91551
Sry for the hexbear thread, couldn’t find the sane post i got the info from in the first place.
TLDR
Piefed has a list of words that are banned and no instance can federate with others that use words like porn
It sounds like that comment chain is discussing two different things. First is the piefed default block list, which admins can edit as they please for their instance. Hexbear and lemmygrad are on there.
Second is the lemmy slur filter, which used to be applied across all of lemmy and was not configurable. That may have changed, but it isn’t clear how. But regardless, that doesn’t seem like a complaint about piefed, unless I am misunderstanding.
Huh, on one thread I notice cunt was censored, the comment still went through with removed under that word, while other swear words went through.
I hate that kind of censorship, bad words are case by case, just because people have used cunt in bad ways doesn’t mean no one should be able to use it, if it did the ill intentioned could disallow any word or argument by starting to use it, not all that hypothetical, the right co-opts left terminology and issues all the time, and discredits them with the sheep as such.
What you are talking about is way worse though, I find that disqualifying if true. Wtf? Is piefed started by religious extremists, trying to stay out of the crosshairs of extremists? Hate freedom of speech? Segregating from each other from some imperiously minded administrator deciding what’s good for us is a road to NOT overtaking social media that has become parasitic.
Fuck. I moved here from instance that was sinked. I need to move again? Is that true?
No, there’s no word censorship of posts or comments. Rimu did add in a word filter for instances to be able to use if they wanted - but it’s unused currently.
For piefed.social specifically, there are some words/phrases in the filter currently. Most of them are malicious links that have been spammed in the past or phrases that have been present among private message spam waves. Only one racial slur that I see in the list.
This is all configurable by site admins and not baked into the code.
No, that’s not true. Piefed has no list of banned words. That specific function (which has been toned down) is purely for when a new instance wants to fetch new communities. It will ignore communities with specific keywords, most of them are just insults.
I suggest not purely relying on the word of Hexbear users who have never used Piefed and are trying to interpret the code.
I saw that in a very different thread, but search engines are useless nowadays.
The “most of them” part is (or was) a huge problem a bunch had been communities which the programmer had some weird personal agenda against.
Then why bring it up, if you aren’t certain? Let others who know do that? Anyway here are some details about the situation:
It was actually Lemmy that had a hard-coded list of banned words, and those word above are from Nutomic, except that after a huge outcry the Lemmy devs did relent.
As Skavau said there was a recent issue where new communities would not automatically be brought in, but that’s not a “block” since they can always be added manually at any time. Even so, it was hard-coded (generally never a good thing to do in code), and it wasn’t highlighted in the code to make it easier for new instance admins to see and change unless they were reading through all of the code (which I think most instance admins have been doing so far?).
So it’s not “great”, but it’s not horrendous either, unlike the true hard-coded word block done by Lemmy.
Also, PieFed recently enabled allowing the showing of deleted posts. I think it’s a bug that the OP image is still showing (when OP deletes something they should have the right to make it disappear, but conversely those conversations started by their OP yet continued by others are not their property to dispense so readily), but anyway you can read through it here: https://piefed.social/post/1623152. Note that many things have already changed since then, e.g. Lemmy has walked back its own hard-coding of another matter, the centralization of using Lemmy.ml as the sole authoritarian control source to define the list of popular communities sent out to new instances (it is still hard-coded, despite all the outcry about hard-coding when done by the PieFed devs, but at least now it provides for some alternatives), plus deleted posts are a thing now, they’ve also been changed to be allowed automatically without needing to be triggered.
The difference in handling these matters between the PieFed vs. Lemmy devs is very notable. I’m tired of how people speak as if the Lemmy devs have never done any wrong and PieFed should not exist so as to make room for Lemmy. If people want to use Lemmy, they will, but the same for Piefed? The full details are there if you want to peruse them, unlike on Lemmy where a deleted post returns an empty page that acts as if the OP never used to exist in the first place.
Rimu does not like meme communities and 4chan culture, and piefed.social specifically will automatically erase all post from meme communities (and drama communities) after 6 months to save space (or at least that’s a partial reason). Other instances like piefed.world have disabled this function. There were other terms in the original code that blocked other things too, like “196” and “piracy” so new communities with those in the title could not be auto-fetched (although could still be added manually), but they’ve now been removed.