• 9point6@lemmy.world
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    America. I shouldn’t need to tell you that trees exploding is a sign we’re not on the right path

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      If it takes trees exploding and not … everything else that tips you off, you’re either a fool or not paying attention, or both.

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    Sometimes I think how Minnesota is ranked the least stressed state

    Other times I just think how

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    -20F is -28C. I remember it hit -28C one time when I was a kid. I was walking around a forest and no trees exploded.

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      It’s not just about the temperature, it’s also about how quickly the temperature is dropping. Usually when the temperature goes down, trees do some “clever” shit with the sap inside them, specifically so that there’s less moisture in them and when it freezes and expands the tree doesn’t crack. However if it drops too quickly the trees can’t do their magic quickly enough, too much water freezes, puts too much stress on the tree and it may crack.

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      It’s not a common thing. And they don’t “explode” as much as shatter. It does require enough sap to be up in the tree trunks too. And our trees are too smart to let that happen for the most part. But it can and does happen sometimes to thin spindly young trees.

      It’s been pretty cold up here in far northern Minnesota since last Wednesday. With morning temps at -25F, -30F, -30F and -35F this morning. The high yesterday was -15F and a high of -5F today. It’s not the very low temps that bother anyone up here, it’s the windchill that will kill you. Yesterday, the wind chills were running -35F to -60F. Which can cause frostbite to exposed skin in 5 minutes or less and possibly kill you very quickly.

      On the upside, at these temps large amounts of snowfall are almost impossible. So I won’t need to start a tractor and plow the mile and a half to the nearest plowed road.

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    -20°F is -29°C

    (A handy thing to remember is that -40°F is -40°C)

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    Ok, I live in Alberta, Canada. I grew up in the woods of Northern Alberta. We can get week long bouts of -40°C/F and I have NEVER seen or heard of exploding trees in the area. Are American trees just weak, or is this fake?

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      I have been in extreme cold and not heard of this either. When it gets below 0 f, they make noises, like cracking, but just noise.

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      The trees don’t “explode” but young spindly trees can shatter if the conditions are just right, (and they are not right now). It’s very rare to have happen.

      Source: I live in northern Minnesota. And I live closer to Winnipeg than the Twin cities.

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      Trees further south have different conditions.

      When we get cold snaps before 15f in the mid Atlantic tree sap that doesn’t usually freeze will freeze and limbs will pop. I’ve never seen a tree explode but I’ve definitely heard trees blowing limb and bits of themselves in the woods. Wind exacerbates the phenomenon

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      It was raining here two weeks ago. Temperatures were in the 20-30s earlier this week. It’s being far below freezing AND recent warm weather that’s the danger.

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      It isn’t common, and explode is an exaggeration for what I have seen - just cracked bark (though the crack was probably abrupt and loud). Montana gets some every now and again, so I am guessing at least some parts of Alberta do too. Nobody has made a big deal about it in the past outside of folks interested in trees. This is some weird media hype.

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      I’m going to guess it has to do with how quickly the temperature change occurs, or other environmental factors prior to the freeze. It seems to be a somewhat rare occurrence, even in places where it gets very cold

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          Huh TIL

          The maximum daily temperature anomaly associated with the wind ranges from +13°C in the northwest to +25°C in the southeast. The temperature rise at the onset of the event is abrupt and steep; an increase of 27°C in 2 minutes has been observed.

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              Yes. It pulls the surface heat out faster. But, the lakes have been frozen over for weeks now, (18" on the lake I live next to-- we are driving pickup trucks on it to go ice fishing).

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              I think so. Wind chill is a roundabout way of comparing the capacity for heat extraction of moving air vs stagnant air.

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            They also create clippers on their way to the states, hence the term Alberta Clipper.

            The chinook, which in part originates the Alberta clipper, usually brings relatively warm weather (often approaching 10 °C (50 °F) in the depths of winter) to southern Alberta itself, and the term is therefore not used in Alberta.

            We uhh…. Just had a chinook last week, sorry.

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      The use of the word “explode” is misleading. It’s definitely misinformation.

      Here’s an arborist talking about it, but basically:

      Trees move sap and other liquids up and down their trunk from the soil underneath regularly. For trees like maples, this is where maple syrup comes from, except you have to collect a lot of sap and reduce it down to syrup.

      The arborist claims that these liquids present in the tree when the temperature swings faster than the tree can respond expand due to freezing, which buckles tree trunks causing the outer bark to crack open and separate. The cracks can be from the ground up, or they can look like gashes in the side of the tree. There’s moisture in the soil too, which can shift tree roots and cause similar cracking.

      People say “explode” because there’s usually a popping sound when this happens.

      In other contexts, people call this frost upheave. Engineers know about this phenomenon, and try to bury equipment like pipes and cable and conduit below the frost line so frost upheave doesn’t crack and break that stuff. With trees, this frost upheave just takes place inside the trees themselves.

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      I’d guess it’s the species that grow there. If they regularly see -40C they’d have to have evolved to cope with it.

      t could also be part of how they grow - i dunno maybe narrower / more flexible rings, better insulation, or better ways to store sap in winter conditions.

      I assume this is in an area where such a temperature is very rare.

      Most trees do have some radial cracks in them though - probably just some very rare cases those cracks get big enough for the tree to fall or split visibly on the outside and someone calls it an “explosion” for dramatic effect.

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    I always worry about the animals when we get these crazy cold times. How many die. It’s sad to think about.

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      For native animals? Probably not that many, as they are adapted to the fact that it gets very cold.

      Stray cats and dogs? Probably quite a few.

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        At these temperatures, it’s best to keep your ass and your pet’s asses inside and pray the furnace don’t quit.

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        I don’t know if the polar vortex would go that far south so commonly in the past though. Climate change has made it wobble like crazy I’m recent years. It’s why we end up with warmer days in Finland now with no snow when it moves that way.

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      He’s probably the best weather person out there. I love his hurricane live streams.