Nah, in this thread no less that 4 users on ML basically said wipe America out, despite millions protesting, despite the systemic issues like vote suppression and first pass the post that allowed them to win you put all of the sins on the general public which is problematic at best.
I’m not saying that America is good, under its current leadership it is absolutely a destabilizing force in the world. But to pass those sins onto the general public is troublesome.
I want you to imagine if people said the same thing about Russia or China or Israel. Do you understand how many innocent people would die for the actions of their government? There would be no nation left because no nation is without guilt.
People don’t want literal genocide on Statesians. What people want is the end of the US Empire, including the state, ideally via socialist revolution. I also want the end of Israel as a state, and I want Russia to have a socialist revolution. It’s important to read into what people are actually meaning by their words, and not take it to mean that they want to kill you personally, unless you’re fighting to uphold imperialism.
I myself am a Statesian, and have no intention on dying.
Things generally get worse with every election, especially when Republicans win, but just because ICE didn’t boast about its terror under Democrats it doesn’t mean people weren’t kidnapped, even children. ICE funding increased constantly even under Democrats.
Economic sanctions imposed by the US kill over half a million a year. Do our deaths count less because we’re abroad? Your government has been terrorizing the global south ever since it was capable of it. I know people who lost relatives under the last US backed dictatorship in Argentina. My grandparents lost several friends, disappeared, taken away.
We don’t have the patience to treat all of you with silk gloves. But no, the vast majority of us don’t desire your civilian population to be terrorized, we don’t want more war, we want you out of our countries so we can organize and develop and be sovereign. And believe it or not, terrorizing us is and has always been bipartisan.
I understand that FPTP forces them into a lesser evil dichotomy that makes progress incremental and back sliding torrential. A flaw that’s also getting exploited in Canada.
I’m no fan of their foreign policy either and it seems for the post part we agree then. My apologies for the misunderstanding.
People don’t support Trump “because he threatens US Hegemony.” Celebrating the decline in hegemony is not the same as supporting Trump or the damage the empire deals.
Means to an end, got it. So be it, If things end up as bad as you seem to predict I hope you can rebuild something from the smoldering ashes. I’ll still try my hand at organized resistance.
No? I do org work IRL for the purpose of establishing socialism. Being happy that the empire is losing its iron grip on the world doesn’t mean I try to make things worse to do so.
It’s like you’re intentionally taking the most bad-faith reading possible.
You’re right I conflated your opinions with those I have argued with the past on ML and for that I apologize.
However, If you think this ends when America dies that’s wishful thinking, the oligarchy is as comfortable in Russia, India or Brazil as it is in America and they seem to be shifting as they see the writing on the wall.
None of those 3 countries have the finance capital required to replace the US Empire. What makes the US Empire unique is its total hegemony. Europe comes close financially, but doesn’t have the hard power to keep that going when the US Empire falls.
I pay dues to the org I work with, I don’t think it’s sad at all to want the working classes to finally be liberated, and work towards that goal.
Nah, in this thread no less that 4 users on ML basically said wipe America out, despite millions protesting, despite the systemic issues like vote suppression and first pass the post that allowed them to win you put all of the sins on the general public which is problematic at best.
I’m not saying that America is good, under its current leadership it is absolutely a destabilizing force in the world. But to pass those sins onto the general public is troublesome.
I want you to imagine if people said the same thing about Russia or China or Israel. Do you understand how many innocent people would die for the actions of their government? There would be no nation left because no nation is without guilt.
People don’t want literal genocide on Statesians. What people want is the end of the US Empire, including the state, ideally via socialist revolution. I also want the end of Israel as a state, and I want Russia to have a socialist revolution. It’s important to read into what people are actually meaning by their words, and not take it to mean that they want to kill you personally, unless you’re fighting to uphold imperialism.
I myself am a Statesian, and have no intention on dying.
That’s a charitable take but when people say they support Donald Trump because he “threatens US hegemony” while not acknowledging:
It makes it ring very hollow. Because if your goal was to replace it with technofuedalism we’re on track.
Things generally get worse with every election, especially when Republicans win, but just because ICE didn’t boast about its terror under Democrats it doesn’t mean people weren’t kidnapped, even children. ICE funding increased constantly even under Democrats.
Economic sanctions imposed by the US kill over half a million a year. Do our deaths count less because we’re abroad? Your government has been terrorizing the global south ever since it was capable of it. I know people who lost relatives under the last US backed dictatorship in Argentina. My grandparents lost several friends, disappeared, taken away.
We don’t have the patience to treat all of you with silk gloves. But no, the vast majority of us don’t desire your civilian population to be terrorized, we don’t want more war, we want you out of our countries so we can organize and develop and be sovereign. And believe it or not, terrorizing us is and has always been bipartisan.
I understand that FPTP forces them into a lesser evil dichotomy that makes progress incremental and back sliding torrential. A flaw that’s also getting exploited in Canada.
I’m no fan of their foreign policy either and it seems for the post part we agree then. My apologies for the misunderstanding.
All good, hope you have a good weekend
People don’t support Trump “because he threatens US Hegemony.” Celebrating the decline in hegemony is not the same as supporting Trump or the damage the empire deals.
Means to an end, got it. So be it, If things end up as bad as you seem to predict I hope you can rebuild something from the smoldering ashes. I’ll still try my hand at organized resistance.
No? I do org work IRL for the purpose of establishing socialism. Being happy that the empire is losing its iron grip on the world doesn’t mean I try to make things worse to do so.
It’s like you’re intentionally taking the most bad-faith reading possible.
You’re right I conflated your opinions with those I have argued with the past on ML and for that I apologize.
However, If you think this ends when America dies that’s wishful thinking, the oligarchy is as comfortable in Russia, India or Brazil as it is in America and they seem to be shifting as they see the writing on the wall.
None of those 3 countries have the finance capital required to replace the US Empire. What makes the US Empire unique is its total hegemony. Europe comes close financially, but doesn’t have the hard power to keep that going when the US Empire falls.