Taking the guns out lowers their resell value!
Gun ownership is disparate. While the mean is 1.2 guns per American the median is 0. gun owners tend to own many guns. 68% of Americans don’t own a gun at all per pew research, and about 20% of American gun owners own 65-70% of all guns.
It has always been a fantasy - pushed by gun manufacturers/sellers and believed by people who like to fantasize but are unwilling to uproot their lives to actually do it.
“Every government official” is outed as a child rapist? This kind of ridiculous hyperbole doesn’t help one’s argument.
Let alone the idea that everyone here has a million guns pouring out of our clothes at all times.
Funny thing about RL™. Stockpiling weapons doesnt work like the movies
The government should stop stifling people’s liberties
Just having guns around wont ward off authoritarians like Homer Simpson’s anti tiger rock. You actually need to exercise it to work.
I’d like to buy your rock
Don’t be an American. Don’t understand nuance in the country. Make broad, sweeping generalizations. Condemn all Americans.
Am American. The only nuance they missed is that not every American has 100 AKs, but the ones that do have been screaming about ‘protecting us from tyranny’ for decades, then sided with the tyrants
But the “nothing happens” thing is entirely wrong. Minneapolis is a great example.
As well not understanding those saying that the loudest are fine with this fascism.
But the “nothing happens” thing is entirely wrong. Minneapolis is a great example.
Not regarding this issue specifically, if anything what happened in MN goes AGAINST the notion that people have guns for armed rebellion.
We’re talking about gun ownership for the purpose of violently overthrowing the government. That has not been demonstrated in MN.
Even Jan. 6, the shitshow that was, took a lot of planning and lead up to it. It didn’t spontaneously come up overnight. That was a childish person’s thought process of how to take over a government. The real work of trying to overthrow a government is longer and more methodical requiring so much pressure no the right points to make it collapse. All I’m seeing with these arguments really is they just want to see bloodshed which makes them no better than the generalizations they have of us.
Don’t overeact, the US ain’t France where half of the popular opinion is leftist, pro-strike and progressive and the other is outdated hateful conservatism. Instead, to most of the international population, the press corruption is very apparent since the popular opinion is very uniform and both of your politcal parties have times and times failed to recognize popular ideas and keep up the neo-liberalism, foreign interventionism and collaboration with lobbyists.
It’s not an attack on individual americans, it’s someone pointing out obvious systemic flaws that show in the way the citizens behave.
Except this is used over and over again to generalize all USA citizens unironically.
Yes and it is on the US citizens to correct the narrative. Being angry at international opinions that are gaining traction is (and I use this word seriously) stupid. I also wonder what chinese citizens have to say about western generalization of their social identity, or afghan social identity for that matter.
Except when it’s used to shutdown any and all discussion or criticisms. Generalizations don’t bring understanding, just division and outright hypocrisy.
Dude, the “they’re murderers and rapists” guy is president again. Begging for other countries to take a nuanced view of American politics when we elected such a generalizing, stereotyping blockhead multiple times to the highest office in the land – while simultaneously making that office more powerful – is a bit ridiculous.
No, it’s not. The reason is the same one we have such issues with conservatives and similar who generalize. It’s not constructive to have highly generalized views and try to change something. It’s a crutch to just ignore something which again, leads to the predicament we’re in. If a person shows a trend for doing that then they’re also going to be misinformed. Asking people to be better and understand others is NOT a huge ask.
Asking people to be better and understand others is NOT a huge ask.
Apparently it is, because we can’t get people to do this in our own country, and those who aren’t trying to “be best” and don’t “understand others” are elected to office over and over again.
Your take is like “not all men” but for Americans, and look man, I’m an American and I’m not offended by the characterization that we haven’t really done shit about this administration. We haven’t.
All the people with 100 ak47s joined ICE
Turns out the lax gun laws were never meant to protect the citizens from the government, but to protect the government from the people, because easy militia. I know that ICE doesn’t use their member’s private guns, but fact is that most of their members are gun owners who eagerly applied to join ICE. They have been waiting for an opportunity to roam the streets and shoot people legally for ages. They have been conditioned for times like these.
That is accurate, it was supposed to replace a standing military.
A supposition made when rifle barreling was the pack of military technology, the solar system had only six planets and when people wrote with feathers…
Fucking update that shit ever so often. Jesus.
Been calling them on their bullshit for years with hypothetical situations. Now we have the real thing and I was fucking right.
Everybody is wrong here
Because… People are using their arms against the tyrannical government? I’ve seen a few Black Panthers doing it right. That’s about it. And it’s sure as shit not been them that have argued that the law is there for them to be able to do that. They understand that their effectiveness is in deterence, at the moment, not constitutionally protected insurrection, which is what a lot of 2A thumpers seem to think it allows them to do. In no way will use of firearms against the sitting government or its law enforcement or military ever be officially condoned by any level of that government, no matter what the constitution says/means/implies, I promise you.
People are using their arms against the tyrannical government?
They’re not. Where has that happened?
I know they’re not. That was my point. The guy before me was disagreeing with me that the 2A thumpers werent doing fuck all. I’m saying they are.
Realistically only a small percentage of gun owners have that kind of weaponry.
I own guns and have a surplus of ammo. Probably wouldn’t be enough to last more than 5 minutes in a fire fight. Which is not all that useful, especially when this country’s military doctrine is to send as many bullets at the enemy as possible
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Saw a post on reddit a while back that gun owners wouldn’t stand up for liberal causes because liberals keep trying to take their guns. Pretty thin argument but they’re all cowards so whatever straw there is to grasp I guess they will firmly grasp
It may be a thin argument, but also… very accurate in practice. Politicians have been incredibly effective at sorting gun owners to just one side of the political spectrum.
“Marx had amazing foresight and was correct about everything. He predicted all of this.”
“Except for that. He was a product of his time, you’re taking it out of context.”
Yep, it’s also convenient that most gun owners are in the “leopards would never eat MY face” side of that spectrum too
That is what the authoritarians who actually want to take away their guns keep telling them!
All of the gun owners will rise up, but they will stand on the side of tyranny.
My best buddy is hard core 2A, not full right wing but he tows the line. He’s literally been preparing for this exact scenario the past 15 years of his life. When I ask him about this he says “there’s two sides to every story” then he spits out the same drivel they all spew. I told him the problem is that he and the rest of the 2A folks are just as afraid as the rest of us. They just don’t want to admit it. Probably more afraid, because I haven’t been building a small arsenal the past few years. All those guns, ammo, and fancy gear for what? It’s fucking cosplay. A nerdy hobby. Like model trains but these 2A cunts all act like a tough guy that’ll lay down the law if push comes to shove. Well we are being shoved. What now? At least take the guns to a protest so they can get some fresh air. Are these 2A folks afraid their guns might get dirty or something?
Train enthusiasts are more courageous cause if they get into a fight, they’d use large metal hand tools; 2A cosplayers would stand around talking about how big calibre weapon they got.
There is a basic conflict between freedom of speech and democracy. As long as people’s sources of news and information are permitted to lie and spread misinformation and disinformation, citizens will be unable to make informed decisions.
I don’t think it’s a lack of willingness, but rather a lack of ability. Militant action requires a lot more than simply owning a gun.
It was a powerful lie to convince most gun owners that a “right to a well-regulated militia” meant being able to individually own a gun and never be trained to use it or organize.
I imagine ICE would be less openly hostile when there would be a legitimate risk of getting shot by a vigilante.
Not saying it justifies having the amount of guns Americans have, but since they already have them they should be used for the reason they have them, to oppose a tyrannical government.
Heretic!
If those gun toting hicks could read. They’d be very upset.
It’s almost as if some form of militia, possibly a well regulated one, would also be necessary.
“Well regulated” in the 1700s sense or “well regulated” in the “I think the government should have direct control over the militia that is supposed to violently fight the government” sense? Because imo one seems more viable than the other.
The second amendment was never intended to let the people overthrow the government. It was intended to serve instead of a standing army for the defense of the republic. Madison didn’t want military power centralized in the Federal government.
Not only did he not want it centralized, it was really uncommon and expensive to have a standing professional army at the time. The US was a new nation, and it was pretty poor. The idea they’d be able to have a federal professional military, at least one large enough that you don’t need supplemental militias, would probably be laughed at.
Ehhh the federalist papers make it pretty clear that the second amendment and the aforementioned militias were for threats both foreign and domestic. Plus, considering the whole “starting a revolution against what was at the time ‘their own’ country” thing alone I think they recognized the possibility that they may need to do it again in the future.
“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants” and all that.
-Thomas Jefferson
most people who care are also intelligent enough to realize that just opening fire is a losing move
So many people expecting large formations of armed Americans to just storm the capital, talk about brain washed by Hollywood. We’re the French, Dutch, etc. Resistance baby!
The American people missed out on a golden opportunity to do something really funny about a month ago…
They also understand OPSEC. Can’t carry out orders if the energy knows what you are planning
