Situations like this raise difficult ethical questions about personal responsibility and professional duty. Ultimately, each person has to decide what aligns with their conscience.
There’s nothing difficult or complicated about it. Do you support America and it’s citizens or fucking fascists?
Ultimately if you’re part of the group pushing for the latter, I hope you get all the misery you put others through.
Oof, I think there was a convention of some sort hosted in Switzerland that settled some of these ethical questions in a fairly defined way, a little while back.
Edit: this was me being cheeky about the Geneva convention- unlawful deportation is a war crime. For real though, if you aren’t familiar with the Nuremberg trials, the “superior orders defence” has been settled- no ethical quandary about it. It’s illegal to follow illegal orders.
My dude if stocking grocery shelves paid six figures I’d do that tomorrow.
That makes it sound like you’re ok with working for ICE because it pays so well
Which it doesn’t. Which says a lot about them.
Doesn’t ICE pay like 20k€ a month?
A bunch of new agents aren’t getting paid at all.
But no, starting salary is like $48k. Like 4k a month. Seems to go up to the 80s. Not exactly “risk Hague trial” levels. In line with most office jobs.
I don’t interpret their response that way.
As someone who is not in a good financial place, I would never work for ICE.
However, as someone who is not in a good financial place, if I realized I was probably working for an evil empire and couldn’t change anything from the inside: I wouldn’t be able to quit because my family would starve. I’d need to find another way to provide first, and that’s not easy when you’ve got kids and debt in a bad job market.
Stocking grocery store shelves wouldn’t pay the bills. That’s fairy tale logic/something that people with means can joke about doing.
Heck yeah though, if stocking shelves paid 6 figures I’d apply immediately.
However, as someone who is not in a good financial place, if I realized I was probably working for an evil empire and couldn’t change anything from the inside: I wouldn’t be able to quit because my family would starve. I’d need to find another way to provide first, and that’s not easy when you’ve got kids and debt in a bad job market.
Ok, fair enough. Hopefully the enraged mob will accept this excuse once the evil empire tanks and it’s mass graves are uncovered.
But hey, at least they will be staying in a so-so house until that happens, so they can act like they are being responsible to their immediate network.
where we are going, we don’t need paid six figures, Marty
You’d have to fight so many autistic people to get that job, fr.
If you can’t afford to quit, use the anonymity built into the system to subvert from within. Fire high or low (as the manufacturer instructs!) to avoid harming people. Send the teargas upwind of your own guys, they’re masked anyway. Treat protesters with respect and deescalate conflicts. If you’re supposed to be rounding up random folks rather than a dangerous criminal, moonrun (a word I just coined to mean making it look like you’re putting in the effort while not going anywhere fast) to fool your new body cam while you don’t catch anyone. If you have to transport abductees, at least try to make them less uncomfortable and keep family members together. If they show you documents, believe/honor them, and don’t confiscate them.
Most of this is how the job should legally be done, it only subverts the most evil parts. If they fire you, make sure you get the cause on record, if only through email bcc’d and saved to your own computer.
Good answer.
Though it leaves me concerned they’d use you as a “good cop” PR example, to keep buying trust, to let them carry on with their democidal civic-terrorism atrocities.
I would gladly pull a doom slayer on the crowd to blow off some steam.
/SS
This take makes the mistake of assuming anyone working this job is miserable about it. They LOVE to push people around to enforce how right they are about their racist ideas, and fuck everyone else for daring to question their overtly tribal amygdala, you must be one of the bad ones, and the bad ones growing number like a woke mind virus.
Then you didn’t take the job so you could legally hurt and kill people.
Wouldn’t it be potentially more beneficial if you attempted to remedy the situation, than just quit to let them fill the role with someone who would do that? How about staying in the job, but just not doing that.
Ask just about any cop who has ever attempted to do that how that worked out for them
Don’t forget that local cops also show up to beat and gas people on behalf of ICE (and Israel). ACAB all day everyday.
I really hope the message is slowly getting through that having ICE or Border Patrol on your resume from 2025 onwards is a way to guarantee you’ll never be hired at most places. If there’s even a gap in your resume and you look like a thumb, people will assume that you were working at ICE and trying to avoid admitting it.
If you were stupid enough to take the job and want out, the only way is to become a whistleblower.
This is the Lemmy bubble talking. In reality, the vast majority of people don’t give a shit.
Is the California government part of the Lemmy bubble?
That’s not actual policy. The article cites two specific Democratic lawmakers who are known for being provocative proposing legislation and policy. In reality, their proposals will never pass because they’re not popular with the public and they wouldn’t get past the courts.
I’m telling you, people in the real world see ICE very differently. Most people are wary of ICE, but they largely don’t care. I think you’re underestimating the ignorance and apathy of your average person.
Also, companies with the most paying power have ICE on their resume.
Or it’ll fast-track your career to being a cop
I’m pretty sure that anybody who could actually become a cop would have become a cop instead of an ICE agent. ICE agents are like prison guards, they’re people who don’t have what it takes to be a cop. I don’t think experience as an ICE agent is going to help them become cops, just like there’s no prison guard to cop pipeline.
Use up all your sick leave, put in a workers comp claim, get the union involved, and just milk it until they fire you.
Steal their pens and paperclips as well. Maybe a rifle or something too.
“ok, you mean like this?”
Pulls pin on tear gas grenade, dropping it on the floor of his office while staring him in the eyes
Anyone else look at the avatar first and then find it impossible not to read in the voice?
wait theres a voice? what did i miss
Christopher Walken has a distinct way of talking. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVsQLlk-T0s
that’s christopher walken? i’m so ootl what did i miss
They got $50,000 signing checks.
But if they quit before 5 years, they owe $10,000 for each year.
How many of them blew the $50k on a truck, or paid their CC bills with it the first week?
Now they’re stuck there.
All cops, dear. This is all cops. Ice is mot deployed to protests.
What about if they get fired for not shooting the public? Get to keep the $50k?
Quiet quitting ftw?
it’s hard to find specifics but last time I checked they don’t get the full $50,000 immediately. It’s something like $10k immediately, then $10k after a probationary period, then $10k a year for the next three years.
I heard some of those bonuses didn’t even get to the employees.
went straight to the dealership
They aren’t even getting paid right now, several of them complained about not getting their salary in the ICE private subreddit. And if a new administration comes in and fires them, they’re on the hook for 30k and cannot declare bankruptcy to escape from the debt.
None of them got $50k, though. It’s a structured bonus program. They don’t get the full amount until after they hit several milestones.
So would I but you have to remember these are the kind of people who think, man if I had to stock shelves, I’d quit and get a job where I get to shoot people. And the more they shoot and hang around all the other overly testosteroned thugs, the more they enjoy the cruelty. If we had none of these guys we’d have no war.
But but those bigly bonus checks are totally in the mail!
People who get these jobs, hope that that day will come where they can shoot and torture anyone really, civilians or not. They don’t care. They are sick fucks without feelings or thoughts.
They do have feelings or thoughts, and all of them are directed about how to give themselves and ONLY themselves pleasure, or they do have them, but they don’t actually bring them up when it comes to hurting others.
There’s two types of guys who do this stuff: those who genuinely think they’re doing nothing wrong, and those who think hurting those inferior to them is good. Both are evil and lack empathy, but in different ways, one through indifference, and the other through active sadism.
(Edited my comment to reflect my point better)
time was people would join CBP as their first step into Federal Civil Service when they didn’t have the test scores to get into other agencies. i guess now that’s still true, only they aren’t planning on leaving.
