The Fediverse is huge and overwhelming to a newcomer, with many different types and each with servers to pick from. Which ones would you suggest checking out or avoiding?
+1 for Hexbear, check it out if .world is too liberal for you. This place really feels like reddit, but somehow even more Dem apologist
Booo tankie bullshit
You have a🔻in your username. That makes you a “tankie” to a huge portion of the people who hate communists, too. We’re both going to get sent to the same camps.
dafuq? The red triangle is part of my lore, it’s for the book that I haven’t written
Wait, you don’t support Hamas?
Fuck all genocidal regiems. Does that need to be said explicitly?
Hamas is genocidal
me when I make shit up
Honestly I don’t think this person is saying Hamas is genocidal. I think he’s very confused and is really insistent that tankies love genocide, so he was trying to like, pre-move me. But as far as I can tell the implied genocidal regime he’s opposed to is China, not Hamas. Obviously that opens a whole other can of worms but he won’t reply to my last comment.
Well yeah it does, you’re on lemmy.world which sometimes has a lot of Zionist apologia. In most online political spaces, the🔻symbol is a reference to videos from Hamas where they would overlay a similar red triangle over an Israeli soldier/tank/military target before it gets hit.
I guess it’s still germane to my point, though. If you do think Hamas is cool because you hate the genocidal regime of Israel, that makes you a “tankie” or at least comparable to one in the eyes of most anticommunists. Functionally, the people who actually will fight “tankies” (as in communists) area also the people who will put you in a camp for being anti-zionist or having other left wing positions.
you’re reading too far into it my dude.
Fuck ALL genocidal regiems.
I use the red triangle specifically for my own fictional lore. Fuck everyone else ruining my day.
+1 Hexbear if you like increasingly abstracted inside jokes about owls and beans
!main@sh.itjust.works they are very new-user friendly, diaspora: idfk its dead, mastodon: official instance, peertube: peertube.wtf with official app to do federation stuff
peertube: peertube.wtf with official app to do federation stuff
I assume you can login into it via GrayJay as well
never used grayjay to begin with, used different apps for different fediverse stuff
Second for sh.itjust.works
I picked this server cause the name was funny and it was large enough that I expected not to run into small-server problems.
I stayed because I have not run into any small-server problems and our admin is a very cool guy.
it seems like lemmy.today is decent, especially since there are no blocked instances. i moved from lemmy.sdf.org recently since their servers were down too often.
especially since there are no blocked instances
That’s not a good sign tbh…
It kind of is when you are a person that values their own agency and don’t want your content to be curated by someone else.
As someone who signed up to sh.just.works because they didn’t defederate a lot: the defederation can be worth it.
When we federated with hexbear, they came in like a plague of locusts. They were constantly trolling, making our local comms unusable, and generally being dicks. This went on for 4 days before the hexbear admins defederated from us to avoid the embarassment of us defederating from them.
I’d rather deal with that myself and block instances and users at my own discretion.
I can understand defederation from threads and like CSAM adjacent stuff, but that really should be it. Everything more feels patronising. Of course I understand that some communities are “safe spaces” or what ever, so for them it makes sense. But I’d never recommend those simply because I wouldn’t recommend lemmy to anyone that isn’t able to make their own decisions regarding the content they want to see.
The thing you need to realise is that when someone signs up for a safe space instance, they are making their own decision about the content they wish to see.
It’s not about you. It’s about the type of content that will appear on the server, even if you personally block it.
Yeah, I didn’t expect the admin of a filter-bubble to understand.
Look, I absolutely understand that some people want to make their own choices about moderation. I was the same, until I existed as trans on Twitter for too long.
My point isn’t about blocking right wing transphobia stans.
My point is that if they don’t block anyone, you get CSAM, you get Nazi’s, you get ethnic cleansing advocates etc. And that’s why an empty defederation list is a red flag. I’m explicitly not taking about instances that don’t block many other instances. I’m talking about instances that don’t block any.
well i could block people/insance if i want, on my account level. unless it’s a moderation problem i prefer having the server not blacklisting certain accounts/instances based on their view.
There was a server hiccup for about a day or so once in the last 2 years, but I’ve had no other issues.
I’m torn between wanting to tell people, and trying to keep it to myself to hold off the enshitification for as long as possible.
I recommend MULTIVERSE to any new otherkin/xenogender/plural fediverse users, or anyone who has antirealist sympathies.
Oh yeah, this is perfect for me!
I was wondering why we suddenly had so many astroturfers, shills and bots creeping in and fucking up all the conversations. It used to just be dumb but earnest tankies, now we got all kinds up in this bitch.
I don’t know which ones are bots. I assume nothing is a bot. I don’t know about any bots. I don’t know if I’ve ever seen one. Are you a bot? How do I know?
You’re going about it wrong, assume everyone is a bot, because it’s very, very hard to tell now. You cannot tell if I’m a bot.
The best tell is honestly if someone makes a stupid argument, because there are more bots than people making stupid arguments against objective reality and basic human empathy and community and progressive politics, or making radical and dumb far-left calls for revolution, violence or demanding recognition for some obscure and controversial marginalized group to the exclusion of everyone and everything else.
If you understand what they’re trying to do with bot armies and shills working to move culture, you can recognize it a lot easier.
There are also no small number of people who have read these stupid arguments and have unknowingly sided with a bot because it sounds “inclusive” or like proper progressive stances, but haven’t used critical thought. I count them as bots also.
This is ridiculous. You really can’t assume anyone “making radical and dumb far-left calls for revolution” is a bot. By this rule every communist is a bot. You’re dismissing very reasonable responses to the state of the world, in which multiple genocides are taking place and it’s been exposed that various heads of states and billionaires are pedophiles and have been conspiring together for years. If anything, I’m sure a lot of reasonable people could just as easily say that anyone who wants to just vote away the problems is a bot. Why is that position inherently better than revolution?
Also, what are the “obscure and controversial marginalized groups”? Trans people? The disabled?
Ah, another victim of the chaos, flailing and directing energy at an entire narrative spun by people deliberately having dedicated time and energy to making you specifically feel outraged at people who are your ally, filling all the blanks with your worst case fantasies and the lovely opportunity to police your own side.
Get off the internet. https://www.progressivevictory.win/ has people you can support and actually get off your ass and help for local representation and leadership. Nobody is coming. Nobody is saving us. There will be no revolution. Rebuild community and drop the rage.
If the unpopular voices of a random person on the internet are too worrisome and problematic for you to focus on what matters, you’re no good to any of us. I won’t see a reply, I don’t have the energy to deal with .ml’ers right now.
specifically feel outraged at people who are your ally,
Not sure if you understand what my politics are if you say that sentence then link me that org. Blackwater mercs who aren’t repentant at all about all the murder they’ve committed in Iraq are not my allies. The people they killed were my allies, and their living families are the people I care about 100000x more than people like Graham Platner.
Nobody is coming. Nobody is saving us. There will be no revolution.
Ok, then I guess we’ll all just die and boil the planet then. Cool worldview you have there.
Oh, by the way, I’m Puerto Rican and your country doesn’t let me have a say in the federal government nor even our own government’s budget. So your vote-shaming means nothing to me.
if I assumed everyone was a bot, I wouldn’t be here talking. it would be a waste of my goddamn time. it would be boring
if I assume that everyone with stupid political views was a bot, then I’d just be an idiot
I’m glad I can use reasoning and deduction to actually figure things out or I would be equally stuck in a black-and-white false dichotomy.
For example, I assumed you’re a bot immediately, then I made a small effort and checked for clues, and found the first mod action performed against you on lemmy was a comment removed for asking about microwaving your balls, which tells me you’re likely a human. But I also know in relatively short time even those clues will be meaningless as tactics get more and more sophisticated. It’s just like always being on guard when you go outside. You can be on guard for danger without always being anxious or paranoid.
See? it’s not so hard.
Huh well I wonder why making your space inhospitable for leftists would attract astroturfers and shills?
Thank you, I wish to be further educated by .ml users on lefty takes such as how Iran mass shooting their citizens protesting in the face is actually good, or how Russia has a god-given right to invade their neighbors, I’ve not heard that enough!
Where should I subscribe to the “anyone anti-West is ontologically GOOD” newsletter?
Is anyone actually saying those things or are you exaggerating the positions of leftists who wouldn’t want Western imperialist powers to be able to topple foreign governments?
This you, defending and downplaying Russias invasion with your week old account?
Get your sealioning bad faith ass back to hexbear 🤡
Yes, that is me defending Russia’s invasion. And as you can see, my argument there isn’t that Russia has a right to do it, the argument is that I think NATO is a tool of US hegemony and Russia is doing my work for me by fighting NATO. See how that’s different from what you wrote? Is any of what I’ve said bad faith, or was I exactly right when I said you were exaggerating (or in this case just completely misrepresenting) what leftists say?
Hahahaha , ohhhhh, you personally didn’t use the quote “god-given”, gee, thats me told XD
Your clownery is literally why hexbear is defederated from a massive chunk of the fediverse while .ml isn’t. It’s like talking to a lefty Ben Shapiro who insists on following into the next room after we leave.
It’s not about what specific words you used. Read my previous comment again, I didn’t even quote the “god given” part.
The issue is you fundamentally misunderstood why some leftists aren’t pro-Ukraine. It’s really not about what Russia has or doesn’t have to right to do. That’s misrepresenting our point. Just to spell this out clearly: communists don’t even believe that the state should exist, let alone that an individual nation-state has a “right” to do anything. That’s just not how communists think. Maybe some non-communist anti-imperialists on lemmy.ml do think that way, but AFAIK most are communists.
This is like if a pro-life person said that pro-choice people deliberately want to murder children; you’re imposing a certain framework and a set of assumptions that makes your opponents look bad when that’s not what they’re saying. If you do this consistently, you can just shutter out debate entirely because you can ascribe incorrect or evil positions to your interlocutors until the cows come home.
If you can find an example of a leftist saying that Russia has a literal right to invade Ukraine, then we can talk about that. But that specific reason is, IMO at least, very flawed. That doesn’t mean that there aren’t other reasons why someone could arrive at that conclusion.
On the topic of sealioning: I won’t deny that I’m sealioning because it’s pretty obvious that I am. I’ll just invite you and everybody who reads this thread to question whether sealioning is actually a bad thing to do in all situations. If there’s a community of people making racist comments and a Black person joins that community and politely responds to every person who says something racist, they are sealioning. If a woman joins a misogynistic group of men and politely corrects them every time they say something misogynistic, she’s sealioning. And the worst part is, in either of those situations, the minority definitely would be right to not be civil if they desire, but somehow this whole concept of “sealioning” exists to make you out to be a bad guy whether or not you’re polite. Like, seriously, I’d be well within my rights to be impolite to you right now for lying about what leftists believe, but I’m being polite instead and that actually becomes a point against me because it becomes “sealioning.”
Corpo trash can’t stand wrongthink
My own! I feel like I run it pretty well, I certainly trust myself with my data than others. But otherwise, id probably recommend lemmy.zip or piefed.social
I’m leaning towards running my own too.
Thanks
I think the best thing is to choose one and hang around and if you like where you land then go forward but once you learn how to look them over and what makes them different then evaluate and decide on one and make a new account that becomes your main.
Sound advice
Anyone know why the recent spike? That’s not negligible.
Because reddit moderation has become utterly unbearable, insufferable bad.
I’ve been using BBSs, newsgroups, MIRC, ICQ, a million ass forums and social media for almost 40 years now.
I’ve never been banned from anywhere on the net (and before).
And yet in the last three months I’ve been temp banned 3 times on reddit. All for their AI moderation systems misunderstanding Australian colloquialisms as threatening violence.
It’s utter bullshit.
People are leaving reddit as a result.
https://lemmy.world/post/43035743/22099833 Apparently old forum software was updated to use the federation and all the old users got tallied up and added. Also people flocking from Reddit and X too.
I would recommend use https://join-lemmy.org/ it suggest a generic instance and also lets search specific instances.
Hard to take that list seriously.
World is missing, and ML, Hexbear, and Lemmygrad are the top promoted servers. What a joke.
What you have wrote is false, and you know it.
.world is missing because it’s way too big, and Grad is below other servers like dbzer0, sh.itjust.worlks, Blahaj.zone, Lemmy.ca, programming.dev, etc. Hex and .ml are up high because, like it or not, they are highly active non-.world instances.
https://lemmy.sdf.org/ has some pretty unique content, even from the normal fediverse. I like the users there. See !funhole@lemmy.sdf.org and !unix_surrealism@lemmy.sdf.org
When its up peertube.wtf is great for discovering peertube videos. I use it to find things to post on !peertube@lemmy.world
I like to spend my time on piefed. Its my favorite “threadiverse” software atm. I spent snd contributed code to lemmy for about a year but jumped over to piefed. Its fun and fedi interop was better at the time.
For everything else fediverse.party for fun software and instances!
Personally I’d really like to see more servers physically located in privacy and free-speech friendly places like Switzerland and Iceland (for example). I’m not sure why you’d want to have your social media hosted anywhere else.
I’d like to plug the fediverse servers that I’m hosting for the traveller / digital nomad niche over at keyboard vagabond
https://piefed.keyboardvagabond.com
https://mastodon.keyboardvagabond.com
Just browse Join-Lemmy and pick an instance that sticks out and you like the vibe of, with good local communities and decent federation. The only one I truly recommend avoiding is Lemmy.world, due to its size and moderation on some larger communities.
For someone entirely new to this, please ELI5 why it matters?
Entirely at random I signed up at feddit.uk
Does it mean I’m walled off from specific content? Am I in a dead part of the fediverse? And how do I change if I am.
It doesn’t. Pick whatever instance and if another catches your eye make an account there as well. You don’t have to limit yourself to one account on one instance. I started on feddit.de, then lemm.ee now hexbear and use this account to see some posts I wouldn’t from hexbear since they have more of a safe space mentality than this instance
Okay, so it matters for a few reasons.
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Instances have different rules. So you can banned by your own instances local admins for things you might not get banned for on other instances.
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If you wanted to make your own community, you’d automatically be hosting it on feddit.uk, so that matters to a degree when it comes to the local culture there.
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Instances have their own blocklists. So your instance might be blocking (defederating) another instance that has a lot of users. Or it might just as likely be blocked by another instance. This isn’t the case for feddit.uk, which maintains wide federation.
Feddit.uk specifically is a UK based lemmy. If you look up the local communities, you can see that is the geographical/cultural focus.
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^In this same boat, thank you for asking this^
