HOORAY!
I’d like Ontario to follow>
Goodbye to “high noon”, “mid-day” and accurate sundials. Stupid to legislate an idiotic idea like “daylight savings” into permanence. But typical for morons to not think things through.
At least stopping the unhealthy, dangerous practice of time change is a step in the right direction.
To be fair, high noon is rarely 12:00 even without DST. West Saskatchewan and the Yukon have quite a big mismatch with solar time. The idea behind Sandford Fleming’s innovation was that some mismatch is acceptable if it means you don’t get a different time zone in every stop along the railway.
Personally, I think this system is not really the best for the modern globalized age. I would prefer something like Swatch Internet Time or even just using UTC exclusively everywhere. It’s just a social construct that the sun rises at what we label with numbers between 5 and 9 (usually), and we start working at what’s labelled 9. You could just as easily (more easily in my opinion) shift those labels depending on geography, instead of using the same labels and deciding on an offset. But it will never happen because of inertia. Look how difficult it is to get rid of a dumb idea like the biannual clock shift (not to say DST) because of inertia.
I don’t give a flying fuck if we stay on DST or ST, just stop the seasonal switches. High noon is already inaccurate the further you move from the “center” of a timezone.
Yeah, I agree with both of your opinions. We could just go back to the “real” time for the time zone, but the zone still means inaccuracies. Also, the whole concept of a clock is man made and can be whatever we want. Even more so, we can have lunch whenever we want, too - so it doesn’t even matter when 12pm is, you can still have lunch when the sun is highest.
In the end we just have to agree on any fixed point to count from. BUT IT MIGHT AS WELL BE COSMICALLY DEFINED 😭
I with it was permanent standard time, I am very sad they decided on year-round daylight.
It blows me away that we change the clock to meet corporate time tables vs having flexible work days.
And not like it makes a damn difference anyways. It’s gonna be extra dark outside regardless of if we fuck with everyone’s schedule or not. One hour doesn’t make a significant difference in the amount of light we get in a day when we still just work for 8-9 hours of the day inside of a building.
Exactly. People tend to blame the winter darkness on the clock change but even if we didn’t change our clocks, winter only gives us about 9 hours of sunlight during the shortest days of winter.
When you have less than 8 hours od daylight, it’s going to be dark for both commutes (assuming a commute)
Yeah like, whoopidee doo, it’s light out during the morning while I’m off to work, I sure do get to enjoy that glimpse of daylight during my commute! Gonna be dark after I’m done regardless of the extra hour.
Finally!
Whyyyyy
I remember voting against the Daylight Savings removal here in Alberta when it came up because I don’t understand why the only option when it comes to removing the swap is to make it permanent rather than not have it at all.
Like congrats, we’re basically changing timezones.
I’m partly with you. The sleep research is pretty clear, from my understanding, that, in winter, daylight time is worse for sleep and mental health than standard time.
But the research is also pretty clear that changing time zones is even worse, afaik.
So, according to the science on sleep and mental health, the ranking of the options is:
- Permanent Standard Time
- Permanent Daylight Time
- Changing to/from Daylight Time
But, on the other hand, there are also arguments for the social and economic benefits of having light to “do things” after work. I’m more inclined to think the sleep and mental health benefits of morning sunlight for resetting our collective circadian rhythms is more important, but I also accept that others disagree.
Regardless, this is better for almost everyone. Some businesses, airlines especially, will face some complications, but it won’t be a big deal in the long run. Saskatchewan has been like this forever. It’ll be fine.
Because one gives more light into the evenings and the other doesn’t… Can confirm you’re from Alberta 🤦♂️
Because it’s better than changing timezones twice a year
Now I’m waiting for Australia to stick to one; then there won’t be a two hour staggered swing in time difference twice a year.
Very good! Changing the clock twice a year is an insanity people accept as normal, and that shouldn’t be the case. Please let Ontario be next (I know of weak sauce Bill 214).
As a sysadmin or programmer its a nightmare.
Nice! The world has been so shit for years now, I didn’t expect this kind of bottom-of-the-list legislation to pass until like 2056. Glad someone cares enough to sweat the small stuff. I hope the other provinces follow suit. Last I heard, Ontario was in a deadlock because NY State didn’t want to budge on it, but you know, elbows up!
Not a fan.
Daylight savings was/is my “whiner” test.
If someone can’t handle DST then they can’t handle the smallest thing in the world - I have no time for them because literally everything else in the world is bigger and more complex so they’re incapable of dealing with anything.
This is the saddest argument against scraping DST I’ve heard yet. Just because someone doesn’t like something has nothing to do with their ability to “deal with things”
Daylight savings was/is my “whiner” test.
If someone can’t handle DST then they can’t handle the smallest thing in the world - I have no time for them because literally everything else in the world is bigger and more complex so they’re incapable of dealing with anything.
I love this hypocrisy. It’s fantastic.
Not liking something doesn’t mean they can’t handle it
I worked on cruise ships and had multiple time changes every week. For one contract, the time changed almost daily, for months. I always found people complaining about DST to be hilarious.
Would you like me to piss in your Cheerios? You know just to make you more hardened to difficult events.
I’m already hardened. Others need to be as well or STFU.
OK snowflake.
Lol, you just a troll. Ciao
You qualify for the STFU. Blocked. Enjoy.
Hey, can I get on that list too?
Congrats, along side Sprocketfree you also win your very own STFU, you have now been blocked. Enjoy.
You too huh? Bye forever.
Aww muffinnnn. Would you like a bag of dicks? Or some shit in your mouth perhaps to lighten your sour mood? Quit your bitching. Now you’ll be the one being judged as the little weenie who can’t handle a small change. Bye forever.
I’m so excited for this. Even working from home I hate changing time cause it still messes with my sleep schedule and my cats feeding schedule.
My cats also get confused, and then they get pushy about it.
What if there was a standard time to move to? Wouldn’t that be the standard?
Daylight Savings Time, or Summer Time, is in use for 9 months of the year, and is thus the de facto standard. Daylight Wasting Time, or Winter Time, is only in use for 3 months of the year, which makes it the exception.
My initial reaction was “Finally!” but, honestly, I don’t think this has affected me in years. Maybe 15 years ago, before all my devices tracking time were smart and self-updating, I could miss an appointment or something. Ever since, I just go to sleep and wake up when an alarm goes off and I don’t even notice the time change.
The week after the time change has the highest level of heart attacks and car accidents. So yes, it affects everyone.
Would it trouble you to do this though? Any reason to object? Like so many things, if it isn’t a detriment to you and it could help others, why not get behind it?
There’s evidence for death and lost productivity associated with each of these biannual shifts. There’s not a whole lot to support the pro daylight savings side of the argument.
Also, your future self would likely support this. It is unlikely your ability to not notice the time change will persist as you become older.
I think my post was pretty clear that my initial reaction was positive, then just a realization it doesn’t matter much to me, so it’s totally fine.
Mostly though, I’m just responding because the combo of your username and your reply made me laugh.
I moved to Japan a decade ago and there are not time changes (though I’d argue that, at least for eastern Japan, we’re in the wrong timezone). It is much easier on my body not making that change twice a year. I have a really sensitive sleep schedule so this is very important to me.
Maybe not as consciously as you’re thinking, but your body notices. Car accidents and heart attacks actually increase in the week following Spring Forward.
I actually heard an argument against permanent DST that I still haven’t really been able to refute. The reasoning was that darker conditions in the mornings during winter could make things more hazardous for kids walking to school. In places with properly pedestrian-friendly infrastructure, it probably wouldn’t be an issue, but at least in more suburban areas, I can’t say I disagree. Changing back and forth twice a year is still silly, but I feel like I might prefer permanent standard time over permanent DST in a lot of places.
I can assure you kids are going to school in the dark when we’re on standard time. I was actually in grade school when the US stayed on DST year round for a hot minute in the 70s. It was no big deal
You know, I don’t really think that raising a concern about the possibility of kids getting hit by cars that I hadn’t heard discussed much before really falls into the same category as religious wingnuts scaremongering about “subversive” books or drag queens or whatever.
I didn’t even present it as some sort of urgent, insurmountable problem, I just didn’t have any rebuttal for it in the moment when I heard it. The other replies have brought up good points that could help make it work. Was that really warranted?
The main reason it still exists is not a good one.
People are used to it happening and are scared of change.
BC winter is dark and gloomy in the morning and dark again by 3:30. So this won’t mean much for us, other than some actually usable daylight
School hours could change. And if you’re far north enough, standard or daylight ain’t gonna matter, there will be times when kids are walking in the dark.
Schools can choose to start later in the day if they find it helpful, without needing everyone else to change their clocks and schedules too
You’re either walking to or from school in the dark in more northern places, it’s an irrelevant argument.
Shortest day of the year in my city is only 8 hours long.
Or going to work in the dark, and going home in the dark. Daylight? Never heard of it.
When I quit smoking I actually had to start taking my short break and just stand outside just to get some vitamin d from the sun.
Working in factories, condos or high rises during construction, forget it.
That’s caused (at least in part) by assigning timezones according to politics rather than longitude. Some places have gotten really skewed.
Anyway, most of us just want the government to pick one thing and stick with it. We don’t care whether they pick DST, ST, or create a new half-hour timezone to split the difference so long as the changing back and forth stops.
