• wraekscadu@vargar.org
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    They mean, “I don’t agree with gay people doing gay stuff”.

    Why? It’s either: “Because the God I worship said being gay is bad”. Or “I don’t, know, it’s just wrong and if you try to make me think further by asking more questions, I’m going to make up reasons to justify my conclusion instead of having a good faith conversation.”


    It’s sad that logical reasoning and argument formation isn’t taught in schools much. This is why we see people endlessly land in bad faith conversations riddled with logical fallacies. It sucks so hard :(

  • JamesBoeing737MAX@sopuli.xyz
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    3 days ago

    Well, homosexuals will no longer exist if the camps were to reopen, which sadly probably will. I wish all my minority friends the least painful death and the others can fuck themselves.

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        There are (unfortunately) significantly fewer Jews than if the Holocaust never happened. The same cannot be said about gay people. Jewish people come from other Jewish people. Gay people come from straight people ‘spontaneously’.

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    It’s fun whacking a straw man, but “I don’t agree with X” doesn’t mean “X doesn’t exist”, it means “I don’t believe people should engage in X”.

    If someone says “I don’t agree with pushing your religious beliefs on others”, would you reply the same way?

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      3 days ago

      You understand that’s different right?

      How are you going to complain about a strawman and then use one of your own?

      Homosexuality isnt an action its a characteristic. “I dont agree with recycling” is different than “i dont agree with being left handed”.

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        I’m ok with being gay and I’m ok with being left-handed but I don’t believe anyone could be left-handed and gay. They absolutely should not be recycling in that condition. We need to draw the line somewhere

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    3 days ago

    Try telling gravity that you don’t agree with it. I’m sure it’ll let you fly.

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    Christians (esp. fundies) really don’t work with the same concepts as everyone else

    for example, homosexuality is now known to be mostly a matter of biology (of course, a repressive environment might lead people to suppress, but I’m doubtful that is relevant to the underlying question of their innate sexual orientation, which remains unchanged)

    but for science-denying Christians who are taught that homosexuality is “sin”, they are mostly taught that sexuality is not anything innate or natural but entirely a matter of behavioral choices (similar to how shame about masturbation frames sexuality and sexual desire as wrong and a matter of self control and making “good choices”).

    So, in that context something like “I don’t agree with homosexuality” really just means they see homosexual “acts” as wrong, and so they don’t endorse people who indulge in those behaviors; they aren’t really thinking about sexuality in the same way.

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      Hot take: I really don’t care if it’s a choice or biology, I’m fine with it either way.

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        it really does matter, though - the fact that it’s not a choice is an important fact in arguments supporting legislation banning conversion therapy, for example - if it were a choice, conversion therapy would at least be plausible for people who didn’t want to be gay, for example. If it weren’t a choice, legislation banning conversion therapy would have less justification as it would be a valid choice for some people to not be gay and to use therapy to change. Conversion therapy doesn’t work because it’s not a choice, and that makes it a dangerous and pseudo-scientific practice, which justifies banning it.

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    “If not for christian missionaries you would still be worshiping sun!” “Sun is real, bro…”

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    The “I don’t agree with” people are also the believers that homosexuality is a choice. (It’s not…every sane person knows that it’s not.)

    So when they’re saying “I dont agree with” what they mean is “I don’t agree with the choice a person makes to be gay”

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    My experience being born into religious conservative white america is that phrases like “I don’t believe in” or “I don’t agree with” are just the politically correct language and/or dog whistle for “I hate that shit but I need to act polite.”

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      I have (RCWA) family members who, in their words, “don’t believe in Halloween”. Halloween being a holiday celebrated in many countries and one that happens every year, which is all over the media, with products in nearly every store, and even shows up on most typical calendars in this country.

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        I need to know, what does RCWA stand for? I’ve searched for RCWA, RWCA, and RCAW, but nothing comes up that makes sense in this context. It’s driving me a bit crazy.

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        If they actually think Halloween “isn’t real” that’s pretty nuts. It exists regardless of whether they want it to or not.

        That said, a lot of holidays have become pretty corporate to the extent I can understand people wanting to opt out and not celebrate them, or do things in their own way.

        Big difference between that and thinking it’s “not real” though.

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    They are absolute morons.

    That being said you have to be a moron yourself to not be able to understand that it’s the ethics (yes morons, I know) of gay they reference.

    Don’t be as dumb as them.