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Israel is about 47% Jewish as of a recent poll, and that is about 41% of the global Jewish population. I have seen polling saying that roughly 50% of Israel supports the genocide.
So here we have roughly 20% (plus everyone outside of Israel who supports this insanity) of a major world religion who are gleefully in support of genocide. I would imagine the percentage who support the settlements expansions and all the violence around that is much higher.
My hatred of religion has swelled recently. It truly makes me believe you are a defective human being and that none of your other thoughts have any merit. I’m wholly uninterested in hearing swill from the mouths of people so hypocritical to their very core.
Edit: my brain did a stupid and my math was bad. Turns out it’s a little worse than I had said. Thank you @AeonFelis@lemmy.world
Explain the math please. I understand that 47% times 41% is roughly 19% - but why did you multiply these numbers?
That should be roughly the percent of Jews worldwide who support it. I don’t have data outside of Israel so that number will be higher than 19% but it’s a vague lower limit.
Unless my math brain is failing me.
But your first paragraph presents no data about the support for Israel’s actions. The two numbers you wrote there are:
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More than 80% of Israelis support the genocide. Not 50%.
@HasturInYellow
This picture illustrates the difference before and after the war. I’m not talking about religion; I’m talking about the lack of mercy, the crimes we’re witnessing in this war, and the widespread destruction in Gaza. I’m not talking about religion here.
What war? I saw an extermination with sparse resistance fighting. There were not two similarly matched forces. This was tanks running over children.
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Feeling hatred toward a religion or people as a whole can become corrosive, both mentally and socially. Focusing on systems of power, policies, and actions, rather than entire populations or beliefs, keeps your outrage precise and effective in advocating for change.
My outrage is precise. It’s precisely targeted at toxic power structures that entrench evil humans in positions that allow them to destroy the lives of uncountable numbers of people.
It’s not my fault that that so accurately describes religions.
Religion is a system of power, and inherently corrupt, injust and repugnant one.
blaming religion for pissraels crime is like blaming christianity for the colonisation of americas. It’s a tool used, not the root cause.
Why not blame Christians? Are you aware of what the Catholic Spaniards did in the Americas? It was REVOLTING.
Just one example of many
Abrahamic religions deserve all of the blame they get and more
Blame the christians absolutely, but recognize that the primary motor behind colonisation was not religion but accumulation of capital. There was no such drive among armenian christians, egyptian christians etc. Religion is a powerful tool to control the exploited, but not the cause of colonialism. Like the wheels don’t power the car but are essential for it’s movement. There are also other uses for wheels, but there is only one use for a car motor.
Their holy book literally commands them to kill all these people on this specific land
I’m not aware of any such passage.
Deuteronomy 20:10 When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. 11 If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. 12 If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. 13 When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. 14 As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the Lord your God gives you from your enemies. 15 This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.
16 However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. 17 Completely destroy them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the Lord your God has commanded you. 18 Otherwise, they will teach you to follow all the detestable things they do in worshiping their gods, and you will sin against the Lord your God.
@mathemachristian @HasturInYellow they’re supremacists and colonists.
Exactly this!
@mathemachristian @HasturInYellow it’s’ not “blaming” Christianity, it’s acknowledging its driving force and purpose : the crusades, the Iberian “Reconquista”, the portuguese empire, the Inquisition, all “holly wars” with massive killings, forced conversions, religious taxes and political power as well as plunder, commercial expansion and colonisation.
Please see my comment here https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/19423102
I am not so sure about this, very strong guns don’t kill people vibes.
They don’t. Otherwise the myriad of other christians would have started the same thing. Where are the ethiopian colonies? Druze imperialism?
Christians are mass rapist and murderers throughout history.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2021/08/ethiopia-troops-and-militia-rape-abduct-women-and-girls-in-tigray-conflict-new-report/
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwygrnjz9wro
Yeah, looks like a lot of murder, rape, and killing just like every Christian nation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_colonialism
Needless to say Christianity has always been spread by the sword. My ancestors were forced to convert or die.
But look at this worn torn country of death and rape! See Christianity isn’t that bad.
most ignorant lib of the day award please readsettlers.org
Yes, you are ignorant of the damage Christianity has done. How many gays in Africa have Christians butchered at the request of US Evangelicals.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/03/19/africa-uganda-evangelicals-homophobia-antigay-bill/
The list goes on and on. Truly ignorance must be bliss on your part.
Blaming the overexploited for the problems in their society is a fucked up thing to do. Do you not realise that the homophobia in africa is not due to christianity which had been there for over a thousand years before the colonisers? I guess you do because you correctly blame US evangelicals (
if only someone had linked a video detailing the rise of US evangelical missions due to imperialism and not the other way aroundgot my threads mixed up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hePRA9yVdQE) so I don’t know what your point actually is… is the oppression inherent to christianity or did it come from outside?also calling others ignorant while and refusing to readsettlers.org is such an onbrand thing to do lmao
Listen, just because you can’t accept Christianity is a garbage religion doesn’t mean we can’t. Do I need to remind you that it was used to justify the slave trade and led to the concept of race which has been used to divide and destroy people lives ever since?
Please point out how Christianity has stopped war and brought us to peace. I can find numerous examples of the opposite, so I actually need to see that Christianity has done much more good than the harm it has caused.
I am acutely aware of colonialism and the slave trade having studied it for years. The human suffering and destruction the whites brought to the new world and Africa is staggering. How the Catholic church used the inquisition to remove moorish blood from Spain. This is the foundation of the white supremecist movement brought to us by Christianity.
Please lecture me on my ignorance though.
I strongly disagree.
Ok? Any particular reason? How does religion manifest all the hardware and political machinery necessary to commit these heinous crimes? It seems to me that capitalism, colonialism, imperialism all have the means to do so but religous institution no longer do. Hell you’d have more of an argument about “religion” being behind genocide back when the Vatican was a major political player.
Please look for the sources of these evils objectively and not through redditisms. Here is a good video by someone in the skeptic community explaining how imperialists use religion to further their colonial agenda (I know! an actually rational skeptic, no misogyny or islamophobia detected!) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hePRA9yVdQE
Are you unaware that religion is the bedrock of colonialism, capitalism, and imperialism? And that they wield an immense amount of power today?
The Catholic church owns 177 million acres of land today, more than any other organization on Earth. Untold unfathomable wealth is at their command. And you don’t think the Vatican is a major political power?
Please realize this is not a redditism, it’s a fact; even this one sect alone has unbelievable power.
It’s more subtle than it used to be pre Reformation, and that fools a lot of people. Don’t be one of them.
completely, especially after liberalisms enlightenment philosophers and the rise of rationalism culminating in the french revolution. I’m not denying the western church is very powerful but it’s not what it once was. Please watch the video it talks about the rise of evangelical christianity in latam by the cia to further imperialism and how a lot of catholics in latam were actually an active obstacle to imperialism.
I don’t use videos for research/education, apologies.
I can read information 10x faster, and that is my preferred means.
Is Catholicism what it once was? Of course not. Is it more powerful than practically any single corporation or other organization? CERTAINLY
The land alone… and that’s a real tangible asset. Their treasures? priceless
Ok so we are in agreement?? Because that’s what I was saying. I mean I dont know if would say they are more powerful than the US or blackrock but very powerful still
It’s difficult to weigh “soft power”, so all we can do is look at the results
owns own country check
tax free throughout globe check
A THOUSAND YEARS of millions of acres of stolen land and incalculable wealth and treasures check
Do they own a military? No. But they own key people, in ways that we can never know, and key corporations, more than we can ever measure.
I don’t think Blackrock is more powerful, but it’s a fun subject to talk about and research (for me)
You don’t have the be a cardinal in the Catholic church to be perpetuating and influenced/controlled by the religious institutions oppression.
People in the same in group work towards the same goals. When those goals are all filtered through the lens of the in group being gods favorite people, it taints every thought from that foundation upwards.
So you actually believe that Satansyahoo and the settler elite are doing this because they are very devout jews and they would stop if they weren’t? I’d urge you to watch the video, it’s very illuminating
I believe they believe they are.
As an agnostic/likely atheist, there’s a difference between religion and extremism. People can be religious without wanting to murder those who don’t believe the same things as they do, just like an atheist could still be a political extremist.
There is a difference but most people do not make the distinction and dedicate their lives to upholding the power structures of extremist factions of their religions instead of speaking out and changing denominations to one that doesn’t trade in human suffering.
Zionism is not Judaism. See Antisemitism, Weaponized.
you dont get the point. 90% Jews support the existence of israel, thats equivalent to 90% muslims supporting ISIS, now tell me what wouldve been west’s response had 90% muslims supported ISIS? they wrecked havoc despite not even 1% muslims supporting that thing.
Jewish community has something very wrong going on with them and this has resulted into increase in anti semitism.
I don’t give a shit. As explained by Adi Callai in Antisemitism, Weaponized. this is a result a decades long propaganda campaign aimed at Jewish people since birth and non-stop throughout their entire lives. The vast majority have been deliberately kept in the dark about the reality of the Israel project.
Additionally, Christian Zionists have always significantly outnumbered Jewish Zionists, and have been the financial backers since Lord Balfor if not even earlier.
Even more so, Jewish people have been at the forefront of Anti-zionism since the very beginning all the way to present day.
Zionism is not Judaism. Conflating the two is antisemitic.
To anyone down-voting: Jewish people are not inherently fascist like you want to believe. What’s wrong with the Jewish community is it co-opting of Zionist forces and the deliberate propaganda campaign to conflate Zionism and Judaism, which you’re contributing to.
Christianity isn’t gay and trans hate.
White supremacy isn’t black hate.
At what point in history have religions benefited humanity? I have only ever seen countless wars and genocides on behalf of it. When does it get to the part where we help the unfortunate?
Judaism isn’t Zionism, it just fostered and fomented it.
The same as white supremacy was fostered by Christianity.
I can hate the cause of problems as well as the problems themselves. It’s not my fault or problem you can’t connect the dots.
Christianity isn’t gay or trans hate. White supremacy is non-white hate. The dots you’re connecting are different pictures. Actual Christians are followers of a brown dude. That’s not a True Scotsman fallacy, it’s just definitional, coming from an “unborn” atheist, if you will.
I said those first two lines mockingly. They are both the same exact thing. Just because you personally don’t participate in the lynching doesn’t mean it’s not done by your group. When that group performs all of its “good deeds” with the express purpose of whitewashing the bad and expanding the reach of its power structure, I don’t take it at face value. They aren’t even separate dots. It’s just already a straight line
I think that’s mistaking the forest for the trees (I know that’s sort of backward for the metaphor)
I 100% deny these mongrel’s claims to be Christians on a purely conceptual level. Put 100 molesting “cross dressers” in a room with a couple trans folk and I’m not going to think they’re the same.
Ok but this is what Christian society has allowed and secreted away and in many cases (outside molestation) they have celebrated their atrocities. These are the leaders of Christian faith. For centuries. At what point will “real” Christians take power of their group, do you think?
Honestly not sure, and that is a really good point. I do think there are enough people out there who call themselves Christians and explicitly reject the nonsense, but maybe that group is thinning like my own disillusionment.
If they change to be unitarians or something the. I don’t really have a problem with them. I still dislike religions in general but if you are actively distancing yourself from the evils, it’s fine. Unfortunately, the excuse of “well my daddy and granddaddy were Catholics so I have to be too” attitude keeps people entrenched within the groups who love doing evil.
That being said, the last two popes have been a pleasant surprise change in tone.
That’s correct, gay and trans hate come from conservatism
That’s not correct, it stems from justifying chattel slavery
Religion itself has benefitted countless people, from promoting general welfare to giving solace to those who experience the death of loved ones.
Wars and genocides don’t happen because of religion. They happen because of resource accumulation, otherwise known as primitive accumulation prior to the rise of capital accumulation. Religion is co-opted by the powers-at-be as a galvanizing force. Christianity wasn’t the cause of the crusades, European powers aim to acquire the riches of the middle east was.
You’re showing a reactionary attitude towards religion. I’ve seen reactionary atheists have just as violent attitudes as what they claim to oppose, justifying islamphobia or antisemitism as simply anti-religion, or even going as far are justifying nuking the middle east.
Also not true, Zionism has roots in secularism. It is a fascist project. The religious aspect was wielded only as much as it’s usefulness for convincing more people to join the project. Additionally, the vast majority of Zionists are Christian Zionists. Same with Christian nationalism, it is the Conservatism that is the root of the violence and hate, not the religion. In fact, they intentionally ignore every aspect of the religion that is incongruent with their fascist aims.
Again you’ve got it backwards, white supremacists twisted religion to justify their white supremacy. In fact white supremacy is more rooted in scientific racism. Which was again, used to justify chattel slavery and the eradication of the ‘subhuman’ natives.
Except you’re not genuinely interested in the root cause. You’re just generalizing it as religion itself out of a reactionary attitude.
Some people are in so much pain because of a difficult life that they have nothing else. Those people should be allowed to keep their religion. If it gives them comfort during dark times, and it’s not hurting anyone, then I am in full support of them keeping it.
And I wouldn’t want anyone deciding my religion for me. What right do I have to do it to someone else?