cross-posted from: https://infosec.pub/post/42694823
Trump has no power to “decree” that voters must present ID or to end mail-in balloting. But that doesn’t mean he can’t at least try both. Under the Insurrection Act or some other dusty statute, he can declare a state of emergency. Then he can decide that said state permits, nay requires, him to take extraordinary measures. On October 5, say, that might mean outlawing early voting. By October 13, it might mean no mail-in voting. By October 29, a reminder that all voters must present ID to vote. And by Sunday, November 1, two days before the election—an announcement that all these “reasonable” measures have alas failed, and he is now forced, against his will, to postpone the election.
Democrats couldn’t resist letting trump run again.
Non-voters couldn’t resist letting him win again.
It takes more guts than brains to comment this in a post about voter suppression.
Think you can push it a bit more and blame the people who are currently in Trump’s concentration camps or deported for not voting this election?
But that arrogant brown lady laughed funny.
I have no idea why you were downvoted. If it weren’t for the tRUMP voters AND the non/protest voters then the orange child rapist wouldn’t have won.
(Though all that could’ve been avoided if biden had pushed for prosecutions on the insurrection stuff and top secret documents stuff almost immediately. Instead he tried the old route of “it’s time to heal”, which NEVER works. NEVER.)
Because it’s not a very compelling theory that people particularly say this one out over various reasons. The turnout was actually above average by a few percent. It also assumes that most of those non voters would have gone against Trump. Which is far from assured
He’s being downvoted because this was the democrats’ race to lose and they lost it spectacularly. Don’t blame non-voters for not turning up for the candidate that said “shut up about the genocide that we support and that i intend to confine to support”
Or for a party that abandons every campaign promise other than “things will not fundamentally change.”
The Democrats could try a little leadership for god’s sake. The top level comment blames the party, the comment you responded to blames the people. That’s why it’s downvoted, I think.
I see, thank you.
He can “say”, “declare” and “decree” things all he wants, but for that to do anything requires that people up and down the system go along with it. Sure people with in the executive branch might even be legally obligated to do certain things if he tells them to, with in certain limits.
But most of the voting infrastructure is outside the federal executive, so it would require that a huge amount of local officials and administrators go along with that, some might be ideologically inclined to do so, but are there actually enough to overcome a groundswell of dissent?
“Oh he’ll just use ICE to bully them in to doing it” there literally are not enough ice agents for that to be even remotely practical. “Well they’ll just hire and deputize more” They’re trying to but they can’t get enough people in the door, and a lot of the people they have aren’t getting payed. Are they really gonna stick their necks out to help him break the law when he’s not even paying them?
This is not a masterful plan from an evil genius. This is a in denial old naracasist in way over his head surrounded by yes men who are saying what he want’s to hear so they can keep their positions and continue stealing everything that isn’t nailed down. It’s not that he doesn’t want to steal the election, it’s that he lacks the capacity to do so, and the people he’s surrounded him self with are not competent enough to build that capacity.
nobody has stopped him yet
What a nonsensical statement. It’s not about anyone “stopping him”, Everyone just need to not collaborate. Not nearly enough people are collaborating with him for anything he’s suggesting to be practical.
“planning”
I’d say it’s already done. No one with any power has the balls to remove him.
No one with any power has the balls to remove him.
Those with the power to remove him are benefitting financially and have no incentive to remove him.
Guess we’re just going to need to remove him ourselves. Going out fighting is better than whatever future we’re going to have at this point, tbh
All those guns and bullets and “don’t tread on me” but yet so flaccid.
Every person that has ever tried to assassinate him has been a republican, they’re just incredibly dumb about it.
… So a Republican
Vote
If that’s NOT another reason to study and read socialist theory, then I don’t know what is. Seriously! https://redsails.org/
Time to organize
Thanks Mr. New Republic writer for telling the people that have plainly said it for years that they can now plainly say it. I’m sure they’ll waste no time getting around to plainly saying it some more.
Exactly. The media is finally getting around to warning us about what we’ve been screaming about for years. Welcome to the party, dipshits.
Well, I guess we will see how far he will go and by he I mean THEM and by them I mean the republicans.
There are no Republicans any more. That was just the larval stage before they morphed into their final form - MAGA.
The Republican Party is as dead as the Whigs, and should only be referred to in a historical or scholarly context.
They’re all MAGA now.
I feel like Newt Gingrich was the first MAGA.
IN Politics yes, for sure, but I’d say the first one was Rush Limbaugh. His radio show became the gathering place for Conservatives, and was the recruitment and indoctrination center for millions of new Conservatives.
Those new Limbaugh conservatives not only voted in Newt Gingrich, but a LOT of other like minded radical Republicans for him to use as a club to beat America with.
But, yeah, that’s where it all started. Gingrich and Limbaugh were the Proto-MAGAs.
I think “maga”/Nat-Cs are just Republicans unmasked, that’s all. The party has always been full of these types (basically RWAs - Right Wing Authoritarians as described by Altemeyer). You had the John Birch Society going way, way back.
Democracy in Chains traces some of the threads related to the university level spread of this stuff. There are people that have discussed the Chicago School of Economics. I’ve not read it yet, but Hofstadter’s The Paranoid Style in American Politics gets mentioned a lot. I’m sure there are some other good docs/books that might cover this long-running tradition, and I’d love to hear about them.
Can anyone tell me what’s the big deal with voter ID? It’s a standard in EU, Noone complains about it there.
People in the English-speaking countries generally don’t have government issued ID beyond a driver’s license. That’s also true for the UK. Historically, ID cards are connected to military conscription. The UK could rely on the Navy for defense and did not maintain vast land armies like the continental nations. Political initiatives to introduce ID cards are usually rejected by voters as totalitarian overreach.
The former slave states in the US have a history of using procedural rules to exclude blacks from voting. After the end of slavery, there was formally equality before the law. So, laws were created to maintain the status quo that were non-discriminatory on their face. EG literacy tests. This not only targeted blacks who were denied an education. Administering such tests was fully in the hands of local elites. They could be made arbitrarily hard to black people, while politically reliable white illiterates could be excused.
In addition to the bullshit “count the number of bubbles in this bar of soap” tests, the IDs required to vote are not free, making this a form of poll tax, which is illegal in the United States.
We have it in Canada too, and it’s generally not a big deal… But that’s likely because both our governments are doing it in good faith to ensure who shows up is the actual person on that voter card
The problem with the US is that they do not operate in good faith and use voter id laws to target people they do not want to vote, it’s the same bullshit as putting a single polling station in minority districts with 10+ hr wait times (and criminal penalties of you give someone standing in line a bottle of water) and plenty of polling stations throughout the suburbs where you can be in and out in under 5 minutes.
It’s not really about the id, it’s about “fuck you”
In the USA the issuing of IDs will be made deliberately difficult enough to discourage cartain demographics in a way that favours Republicans. For example, it may carry a fee so poor people are discouraged, it may require your birth name and gender so trans people are discouraged, it will require birth certificates and marriage certificates so immigrants and women are discouraged. The whole thing will be used to erode the numbers of non-white-male voters and this disproportionately boost the right.
Kansas Republicans just invalidated the driving licenses of trans people overnight with no warning. We can expect the same kind of political shenanigans with Real ID.
A current example is states invalidating all Trans people’s IDs during a primary election. That’s happening right now.
Also - getting an ID is expensive and time consuming in the US. The cliche of spending 4 hours in line at the DMV to get a license even though you made an appointment ahead of time isn’t an exaggeration, and applies to getting an ID as well. The reality is most people won’t spend the time and money to do it just so they can vote every 2 or 4 years - especially people who can’t afford to take a day off work and travel to do it.
But people will do it so they can drive their car every day - so people with IDs are more likely to have more money.
And for people who have driver’s licenses that fall on hard times it’s also a problem, because they stop paying for insurance (invalidates driver’s license), lose their car (keeps them from paying for insurance or renewing license), or even lose their home (address change invalidates license). These are not people who can take a day to go pay to vote. And that’s exactly what they’d be doing, because the new ID card they’d be buying would strictly be for voting. Aside from the cost of the ID, when I updated my DL in June I had to travel 80 miles round trip, and the process took about 7 hours - and I had a car to speed things up.
So it’s effectively pay-to-vote system that only applies to poor people. People with money can vote for free through “motor voter” registration by checking a box when getting or renewing their driver’s license.
In the US, there is no free option for public ID. Voting is a right. You are required to prove identity at the time of registration, which can be done using your birth certificate.
Essentially, the push for photo ID is a way to disenfranchise poor people, women and trans people, and other groups who may for whatever reason not have easy access to an “acceptable” ID.
Historically our courts have found that creating a financial barrier to voting is a violation of the constitution. The current Supreme Court, staffed entirely by far-right activists rather than serious jurists, is far less likely to rule that way, so anti-democracy folks are pushing to establish a new precedent before the court can be reformed.
The idea of not having a government issued photo ID in the US is inane to me. I didn’t know it wasn’t a basic thing as a us citizen.
It is for most people. But most people aren’t all.
One problem is that they decided to change the ID situation so that everyone has to have a “Real ID,” in which your name has to match what’s on your birth certificate, or else have supporting documents like marriage certificates or divorce papers. So it’s easy for men, who never change their names, but can be problematic for women who can change their names multiple times, depending on marriages and divorces.
My wife and I were married in the Caribbean over 30 years ago. We have no idea what happened to our marriage certificate, we haven’t found it in decades, it must have gone missing during a move or something. We’ve requested a copy several times over the last decade. It only costs about $10, and we’ve spent over $100 trying to get a copy. They keep the money, and send nothing. Over and over. My wife STILL doesn’t have a valid Real ID because of it. We live in a state that doesn’t care what Trump wants, so it isn’t an issue for voting, but she hasn’t tried flying yet.
So IDs aren’t nearly as easy for many women, and the female vote is a problem for MAGA. Some have even suggested that the vote be removed from women, because that’s how MAGA thinks: If the people don’t like what were doing, we don’t change what we’re doing, we just suppress the rights of anyone whose complaining.
How come she cant just get an ID in here maiden name ? Is that good enough to then vote ? Fly ?
You could do a vow renewal at your local courthouse and get a “new” marriage license from them.
Edit: but yeah, stupid additional barriers…
Yeah, we’ve thought of that, and we may have to. I wonder what that does to all the things we’ve done together in the last 30+ years. If we get married now, does that mean that we weren’t married before, making all our legal paperwork for mortgages, loans, credit card, etc. fraudulent?
It sounds dumb, but if the government decides to target someone, and they uncover this “marriage fraud scheme,” they could use it to really clobber someone, if they wanted to. We’ve seen where MAGA loves to exploit loopholes like this.
So you’re arguing that because your own Caribbean government screwed you, there can be no voter ID? That line of thought is insane. Blame the Caribbean gov for the problem.
BTW, how do you live for 30 years without ID? In EU it’s nearly impossible
We’re Americans, who got married in the Caribbean. We eloped, it was romantic.
My wife has had a driver’s license like everyone else, but a few years ago, they declared that everyone had to get a NEW ID that required these extra steps and documents - but only for women. It was to “discourage terrorism,” although I doubt it’s stopped a single instance.
So without a marriage certificate, she can’t get a Real ID, which is already required to fly, and MAGA wants to make it a requirement to vote. My wife, through no fault of her own, can’t get the docs she needs to get a REAL ID, so she won’t be able to vote under the MAGA proposal.
And I’m sure she’s not alone. MAGA knows that this new policy, which women have never had to navigate before, will keep at least some women from voting. So they cut off some votes here, cut off some more with voter roll purges, discourage voting by cutting off mail-in votes, prohibiting or decreasing early voting, closing polling places in populated cities, while leaving sparsely populated rural polling places open, etc., and the result is that a few percentage of your enemies can’t vote, and in a race that is only a couple of points apart or less, that may be enough to win.
You don’t have to get a new ID
They don’t like that your old one doesn’t have a record in a centralized government database.
I am never getting a “Real ID”. I pay the extra $40 fee every flight. FUCK YOU NAZI TRUMP
Except when your driver’s license expires, you don’t have a choice. And if you’re a man, it isn’t a problem. You show your birth certificate, and you’re done. A woman has to explain and document name changes from marriages and divorces.
Frankly, if I were a woman getting married today, I wouldn’t change my name. I can’t believe that tradition hasn’t died decades ago.
My state allows me to get a State drivers license that is not Real-ID compliant.
My state-issued drivers license does not have on it:
- my picture
- my SSN
- my home address
It is in part because of this somewhat recent Amendment to our Constitution
[Art.] 2-b. [Right of Privacy.]
An individual’s right to live free from governmental intrusion in private or personal information is natural, essential, and inherent.
December 5, 2018
How is it “their Carribean government”? They just took a vacation and got married it sounds like.
They have a state issued ID, just not a “REAL ID”.
Exactly.
They didn’t live without ID for 30 years, there are now more strict requirements for obtaining one, and older IDs that don’t fit the new qualifications aren’t accepted for things like flying. Many countries especially 30 years ago might not have digital records of marriages, people born in the US are having the same issue obtaining birth certificates from rural hospitals, or some people born in the US decades ago never received a birth certificate.
In the EU everyone is likely to have an official ID card, so it’s a non-issue.
In the US this is not the case, and the people who do have an ID or who are likely to know what to do to get an ID probably skew a certain way. So requiring voter ID is a way of voter suppression to discourage disenfranchised groups from voting.
If they don’t bother to vote it’s their choice. The requirement isn’t unreasonable in any way.
It’s amazing how we made it for 250 years without MAGA fixing our horribly broken system for the Sociopathic Oligarchs. It’s almost like the Founding Fathers didn’t even care about Billionaires.
If they’re putting up barriers to selectively exclude certain voices, it becomes everyone’s problem because the outcome of the election no longer represents the will of the people.
Even if 90% of the group that they’re trying to suppress does get an ID, and 10% doesn’t, it can be enough to swing elections, especially in a winner-takes-all system that’s in place in most of the US.
In my experience in an EU country, sufficient ID was also provided freely by the government (eg a social security card).
This is not something in the US that is free. ID must also be a photo ID. So let’s say you have a job where you work 7 days a week and take the bus because you don’t have a driver’s license. To get sufficient ID you must then: take unpaid time off of work, get to an office that issues ID, pay like $20 for such an ID… All to have the opportunity to exercise the right to vote.
This is both a tax and an unreasonable burden, effectively disenfranchising millions of poor people.
This is solvable though, if the government issues free IDs and sets something up to facilitate people getting their photos taken. However that would never be executed effectively, nor would people support paying the costs.
This is solvable though
They don’t want to solve it… the unreasonable burden and disenfranchisement are the point.
In Germany you do not need a ID to vote. Every citizen gets a voting invitation per mail which is a notification saying when and where to vote. It is also a single use “voting ticket”, as instead of a ID.
Legally, the people in the polling station may require you to show ID. It’s just never done.
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$20 once every like 10 years is unreasonable?
For an ID? No. For voting? Yes. Having to pay anything for voting is a problem. Just as having to stand in line all day, thus paying by not earning, is a major problem.
Government photo ID is required for a lot of reasons, not just for voting. But yeah pretty weird that we have to miss work* to stand in line all day to get one, and that we have to PAY for this thing the government requires us to have. Like social security cards are required in USA too but I’m pretty sure we don’t have to pay for those.
I think the reason govt photo ID’s cost $20-ish is because originally they were a Driver’s License, which is a privilege to have, not a requirement, so we pay for that privilege. And the place we get that photo ID is at the motor vehicle office / department of motor vehicles.Then over the years the motor vehicle office started offering government photo ID’s for people who DON’T drive too. But for some reason those ID cards cost $20-ish too which is a bit extortionate since there isn’t even a driving privilege associated with that. Government-issued photo ID’s are REQUIRED so should be free like social security cards are.
*Don’t really have to miss work. Just go there on a day you’re not scheduled to work. Not fun to spend a day off at the motor vehicles office but c’est la vie.
It’s an extremely small cost for ensuring most important democratic process is untampered. The opposition for voter ID check is completely unreasonable
Except that it’s already secure. There are monitors, studies, and statistics to back the fact that illegally voting is a statistically nonexistent problem. The number of such cases is vanishingly small. There is no problem that needs solving here. It’s just assholes like yourself trying to impose their will on the law.
Believing that everyone can find money for an ID is extremely privileged.
I have had students who couldn’t put together the equivalent 15USD, without a month’s notice. In the US you have entire families being homeless, we don’t.
Well that’s great, since next elections are far more than one month away. You just made an argument that even poor students can afford it
I also made the argument that you shouldn’t have to pay to vote, but you don’t like to respond to that. Only that you, through your immense intellectual powers, have found the logical loophole, that made me debate whether I should even make my comment.
Is the age of your account an indication of your intent to troll, or do you care to explain, why it’s OK to require people to pay to vote? Not why it’s not unaffordable, but why it’s OK to require payment to vote.
You’re not wrong in most of what you’ve said but equally in the EU you got to apply for one and pay for it, and an ID card is ~40€. Passport is a bit more. But yeah you could actually take your own passport photo with a mobile as long as it fullfills a few requirements. Most people just use a photographer who sends them directly to the police and then you just go online and pay and wait a few weeks and get your ID in the mail.
But yeah I know how different it is in the US especially because it affects different populations differently.
in Belgium it is fairly painless. it’s possible to take time off for admin. and life here is really difficult without one. it’s essential.
Yeah I wouldn’t know about that aspect, the only time I’ve ever had a “normal schedule” were in the army and a few months of day shift as a taxi driver. And if I had to do something in the middle of the day I just did it between fares.
So I don’t I now if people working 8-16 in Finland take personal days but it’s possible at least. Not that it’s even necessary for most I think. There’s not many places you still have to physically go to to apply to things and whatnot. Mostly online.
You omitted that in the US, employment is largely “at will”, which means even taking a few hours off work, even asking for that, can result in that person being fired, and many won’t take that risk.
It was clear since at least November but reporting this 9 months before election is still pretty impressive. Mainstream media will probably wait till December.
Is this title suggesting that the only good Republican is a dead Republican? It sounds like this title is suggesting that the only good Republican is a dead Republican. I wonder if the only good Republican is a dead Republican. I’m going to need to think on whether the only good Republican is a dead Republican. Does anyone else have any thoughts on whether the only good Republican is a dead Republican to help me contemplate on whether the only good Republican is a dead Republican?
You’re right mein leader!
Was the 2020 coup attempt too tough to figure out?
I mean, before he become president the first time he literally said that he would only accept the results if he wins.
I too hate how obvious and predictable it all was but people finally getting it is surprisingly also very annoying.
He also said that if he was elected we would never have to vote again…
There’s a Spanish word for this: Autogolpe
There are Spanish words for most words
Plethora of palabras
Shocking
That’s if they even lose. They’ve taken away a lot from me already and conservifascits are loving it. Gen Z swung red because they thought this was an ideology to get behind. You’re supposed to trust in God for your healthcare plan if you weren’t born rich. This is a Christian nation. I fucking hate my life.
Is this gen z in the room with us?
I think they meant they swung right at a higher percentage than that age range normally does. Link below shows the youngest group voting 60+% for the left.
Yeah, the “kids” in my life did a lot of Joe Rogan research and got suckered into THAT reality like my generation did the “weapons of mass destruction” and 'Merica bullshit.
But it’s not their fault. So many people are sheltered in this country and never have to acknowledge that the world is bigger than flag-waiving and honkey-tonkin.
I cant be mad at naive. I can absolutely be mad at ignorant. I think that all we can do is try to introduce critical thinking in a world that otherwise allows TikTok to do the thinking for them.
