- cross-posted to:
- politics@lemmy.world
- cross-posted to:
- politics@lemmy.world
President Trump on Sunday threatened to not sign any bills into law until the Safeguard American Voter Eligibility (SAVE) America Act is approved by the Senate, doubling down on his push to change voting requirements ahead of the midterm elections.
“I, as President, will not sign other Bills until this is passed, AND NOT THE WATERED DOWN VERSION – GO FOR THE GOLD: MUST SHOW VOTER I.D. & PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP: NO MAIL-IN BALLOTS EXCEPT FOR MILITARY – ILLNESS, DISABILITY…,” the president wrote in his Sunday morning Truth Social post.
no, you go out swinging… failure to stop it will allow for it to expand and you won’t be able to keep running. it will come for you
My great grandparents came to this country in the early 20th century fleeing fascism in Europe. It was their decision to leave that kept them and their family alive. Their friends that stayed weren’t as lucky.
I’ve always wondered what caused them to make up their minds. What was the final straw that snapped that made them say “We need to leave for our safety, there’s no hope of stopping what will come.”
Ever since they announced this bill, I think I found my equivalent. If this thing passes, there’s no saving the country. The DNC simply won’t act to mitigate its damage, I’ve seen how they work. The only outcome after that isn’t total fascist rule is violent and bloody civil war. And, frankly, I don’t trust Americans to fix the country however that war would shake out.
I think I’d just rather try my luck elsewhere.
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This time around there’s no fleeing to somewhere safe, the baddies have knife missiles that can hit you anywhere you run to.
As if they would waste those on random citizens. Curious if Germany hunted people who fled the country.
FWIW America managed to cobble together an America that lasted 161 years after the first civil war.
That’s not that bad honestly, so, it could be done again…
It’s not worth fighting for. It always has and still is a land of thieving, lying bastards. You can die for it if you want. I’d rather just go.
Hey that’s your choice, my experience of other countries is that they’re all full of thieving lying bastards. The difference is these are my bastards to deal with.
Good luck on your journey though!
161 years is NOTHING for a country. Almost all other major nations are a millenium or older.
The city I lived in before this one was founded in 1776 and the one I live in now is about a thousand years older. We have buildings still standing that are 5 times as old as the US or older.
True, but how stable has the actual government been through that time? Cities almost universally live through many governments throughout their existence.
This goes for nations, one clue here is they used to be called kingdoms with a very different form of government from many nations today.
Also if you do some research on this you find that the United States has one of the longest running constitutional democracies in the world.
So while 161 years might not seem like much in the arc of history, as far as democracy goes it’s nothing to sneeze at.
The US constitution is the second oldest active constitution in the world.
The oldest is the constitution for the US state of Massachusetts.
My house is from 1779. Not quite the age of the US, but I think the house will win in the end.
You’re missing one major difference here though. America was the exception to most every part of the world during WW2. It was the only major power that was not victim to massive bombing campaigns or direct on the ground warfare.
There is no such place to flee to today. China, maybe, for the time being.
Fleeing was the best choice for your grandparents. But that doesn’t mean it is for you or I. Your grandparents didn’t have the “perfect” line that they decided to leave at. They didn’t even make a perfect calculated choice on where to flee to. Your grandparents, to put it bluntly, were lucky. And, well, if your grandparents were fleeing Japan instead of Europe they would have been met with significantly different treatment when coming to America at that time and have likely died in a camp.
You’re looking at their decisions with hindsight and trying to project them onto a world that is entering an entirely different world war.
I wish you the best. And I can’t say any decision is better than another. But, I don’t think you can either. We all have to hope we are as lucky are your grandparents were.
And at the end of the day. None of will be “lucky” if no one stands up to fight back.