Because of climate change and my hatred of breathing in diesel fumes when a truck passes by. I want to see more efficient electric vehicles. With gas prices high the alternative becomes more viable, and it exposes how volatile fossil fuels are.
Well, we’re either going to have to find a way, or we’re all dead. So maybe higher gas prices are a small price to pay for the literal salvation of the species.
Thankfully I can drive on E85 so I’m not that affected by the price hike.
I would love to switch to electric. But can’t afford it. Maybe when the cars come down do 20-30k, then I could start thinking about it
I agree, but expecting change in the next 6 months, maybe up to five years, is unrealistic, particularly under a government that actively encourages the use of fossil fuels.
That’s hilarious. I’m not even getting a handshake at the local EV dealership for the price that I paid for my 17 year old work truck with 300k km on it. The cheapest used EV pickup truck for sale here currently is 25k€ and is completely unfit for what I need it for and the size of those American monster trucks - no thanks.
While I don’t know your use case or required vehicle type, there are many EV’s around $35K and tons on the used market for way less. There are tons of things to calculate but assuming a diesel vehicle is driven about 10K miles a year, you’ll spend around $2K/year on that, yea? Every year you own the vehicle you can deduct that from the purchase price to get the Net Present Value of the vehicle as home-charging rates are negligible at around maybe $100 a year. If you own it for 5 years, that vehicle could be considered to have cost you roughly $25K, net. 10 years would be $15K net. Then there’s the lower maintenance cost on EV’s to consider, as well. In the long term, EV’s aren’t as expensive as people think but you have to have the funds to cover the high purchase price at the start and plan to own the vehicle for a long time. As gas prices rise, these calculations only improve for EV’s and worsen for gas-powered vehicles. A helpful metric to use is that gas vehicles cost about $0.30/mile to run and EV’s, when charged at home, cost about $0.03/mile.
35k is a completely outrageous price to pay for a vehicle. That covers my fuel for 17 years, but it wouldn’t even buy me an equivalent EV. Those are up from 50k used.
I don’t have anything against EVs on principle. I just can’t afford one - whereas I could total my work truck tomorrow and just buy a new (used) one. Or five.
You can throw up a bike lane in a few hours with nothing but a few traffic cones. This isn’t something that takes years to implement if there’s actually political will to do so.
Its not just america paying more for oil. Countries world wide will experience this and future volatility. It could be a tipping point for some to take alternative energy and transportation more seriously.
This situation is making oil more profitable for the other countries that produce it. Coincidentally, that includes the USA who started this mess, and who also kidnapped the leader of another oil producing country a couple months ago.
Climate change is a producer problem, and this price increase only hurts consumers.
Why?
Because of climate change and my hatred of breathing in diesel fumes when a truck passes by. I want to see more efficient electric vehicles. With gas prices high the alternative becomes more viable, and it exposes how volatile fossil fuels are.
Not a lot of massive cargo ships are gonna stop using bunker fuel in favour of turning electric. And that’s just one example.
It will happen over time, especially with higher oil prices.
https://electrek.co/2024/05/02/fully-electric-10000-ton-container-ship-begun-service50000-kwh-batteries/
Well, we’re either going to have to find a way, or we’re all dead. So maybe higher gas prices are a small price to pay for the literal salvation of the species.
Thankfully I can drive on E85 so I’m not that affected by the price hike. I would love to switch to electric. But can’t afford it. Maybe when the cars come down do 20-30k, then I could start thinking about it
Bought mine for £17k 6 years ago. Don’t buy off the forecourt.
Look at the used market! Plenty of EV’s in that price range. For instance: https://www.cars.com/vehicle/153a974c-1ea1-4a76-892e-31032334d488/
All the research and real world usage has shown that EV’s generally last well over 100K miles so you’ll get a lot of usage out of a used EV.
I agree, but expecting change in the next 6 months, maybe up to five years, is unrealistic, particularly under a government that actively encourages the use of fossil fuels.
But it can be a waking call for many people that didn’t though about changing to EV and solar panels.
I can buy so much diesel for the price of an EV. Those are completely out of my price range and higer fuel prices aren’t going to change that.
Diesel vehicles are the same price range as electric vehicles if not more expensive. The cost of ownership on diesels is way way more than an EV.
That’s hilarious. I’m not even getting a handshake at the local EV dealership for the price that I paid for my 17 year old work truck with 300k km on it. The cheapest used EV pickup truck for sale here currently is 25k€ and is completely unfit for what I need it for and the size of those American monster trucks - no thanks.
The amount of money you would have to spend to keep a diesel on the road for 300k is more than the cost of a new EV.
If we don’t stop putting greenhouse gasses into the stratosphere today then we will be extinct by the end of the century.
Said no reputable climate scientist ever.
Also, greenhouse gases are primarily emitted into the lower atmosphere, not the stratosphere
While I don’t know your use case or required vehicle type, there are many EV’s around $35K and tons on the used market for way less. There are tons of things to calculate but assuming a diesel vehicle is driven about 10K miles a year, you’ll spend around $2K/year on that, yea? Every year you own the vehicle you can deduct that from the purchase price to get the Net Present Value of the vehicle as home-charging rates are negligible at around maybe $100 a year. If you own it for 5 years, that vehicle could be considered to have cost you roughly $25K, net. 10 years would be $15K net. Then there’s the lower maintenance cost on EV’s to consider, as well. In the long term, EV’s aren’t as expensive as people think but you have to have the funds to cover the high purchase price at the start and plan to own the vehicle for a long time. As gas prices rise, these calculations only improve for EV’s and worsen for gas-powered vehicles. A helpful metric to use is that gas vehicles cost about $0.30/mile to run and EV’s, when charged at home, cost about $0.03/mile.
35k is a completely outrageous price to pay for a vehicle. That covers my fuel for 17 years, but it wouldn’t even buy me an equivalent EV. Those are up from 50k used.
I don’t have anything against EVs on principle. I just can’t afford one - whereas I could total my work truck tomorrow and just buy a new (used) one. Or five.
Today I have made the calc. With 1€ of electricity (at home) I can drive 75km. That 1€ gives me today half a liter of gasoline.
EVs are already cheaper than ICE vehicles. You pay a bit more up front, but you save long term of gas and maintenance.
There’s about 8k between the cheapest EV and the cheapest gas car. Whatever difference is overshadowed by the cost of gas.
You are looking for reasons.
I have no use for the cheapest EV. I need a vehicle that’s able to transport more than just me. My livelihood depends on it.
You can throw up a bike lane in a few hours with nothing but a few traffic cones. This isn’t something that takes years to implement if there’s actually political will to do so.
Its not just america paying more for oil. Countries world wide will experience this and future volatility. It could be a tipping point for some to take alternative energy and transportation more seriously.
This situation is making oil more profitable for the other countries that produce it. Coincidentally, that includes the USA who started this mess, and who also kidnapped the leader of another oil producing country a couple months ago.
Climate change is a producer problem, and this price increase only hurts consumers.