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Fake. Those kinda people would never ride a bike. Instead, they would be stuck somewhere with their oversized car and would complain why they can’t drive theough the inner city and do sightseeing from the inside of their car lol.
lol. Those Americans have never left the country and don’t have a passport.
Have you ever been outside the US? Plenty of American tourists like that here in Amsterdam, and presumably in other tourist destinations too.
Sadly no, nothing more disappointing being 10,000 miles away and being told “hey we are from america too, go trump” 🤮
Lots of Americans get passports and leave the country, it’s just too expensive for most Americans to do it.
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Republicans are typically the people against good public transportation or bike lanes on roads. Republicans tend to be the people who don’t travel outside the United States. Democrats tend to be in favor of these things and they are also the people who would be riding a bike around on vacation.
Imagine your typical red-neck conservative going to Europe on vacation. Hard to do? Now imagine them going on a bike tour. It’s fucking ridiculous.
I’m an anarchist American and I’d die on a bike tour
Exactly
I see plenty of American conservative-looking tourists in Amsterdam, on bike tours too.
Not rednecks, but the kind of suburban chuds you see on TV holding up anti-abortion signs and driving squeaky-clean SUVs.
It doesn’t really help that Americans can’t ride a bicycle for shit. Tourists on bikes are a major hazard, but so are tourists on foot in any city with dedicated space for bicycles. They just cross it and walk on it without watching or even a single thought. They just assume it’s part of the pavement.
No, a car would
The people that are open to exploration and travel are generally not the ones opposed to progressive city planning.
The fear-based mindset opposed to change at any cost is not exactly conducive to exploring other cultures.
As an American, I’d generally agree. However, I’d narrow it to those that are open to traveling and exploring on their own rather than the ones that only travel in large groups on buses or ships.
This is definitely true. Get an American on a packaged trip where they don’t spend any appreciable time in one place, spend it at some all-inclusive, and their transportation is provided as part of the deal and they will basically be fed a caricature of wherever they visited that required little effort on their part. Cruise Ships are definitely guilty of that; but I’ll offer that it depends on the individual and very much the destination as well.
Going to a new place and having to figure it out on your own is very valuable. Though I’m sure plenty of Americans are just like the comic despite the exposure to other ways of doing things.
Exactly! To me, it’s like the difference between going to a Zoo and going on a safari. And, of course, not everyone on a cruise ship or bus are going to be the kinds of Americans that I speak of. There are plenty of good people that have mobility issues, anxieties, etc. that might prohibit them from traveling any other way.
My best friend and I travel really well together. We have a vague idea of the kinds of things we want to do and we figure it out while there. One time we were in a country with few English speakers, our housing cancelled on us, we were like fuck it let’s still take the train to the next city we’ll figure out housing on the way. The shit we get up to, problems we solve on our feet, these things help show how a place can actually be not how some tour agency pretends it is. I much prefer that
All true. Having unscripted time in a new city is incredibly valuable.
Getting drunk on a party boat barely counts as travel, even if they go to a Caribbean beach resort
which is why the closest i’ve ever been is a viking river cruise
I’ve been to cities with nice public transit and clean streets.
I still don’t like cities.
But I appreciate that if we make cities nicer and more convenient more people would choose them and they’d stop tearing up wild places.
I will not live in your cities. But I know why they must exist.
I doubt many Americans vacationing in Europe are opposed to walkable cities.
Then you’ve never met an American.
It’s telling that Americans think walkable neighborhoods are vacation destinations and not real places. They literally go to a place called “the magic kingdom” to walk around and enjoy but think it’s at best a quaint ancient /medieval throwback or a fantasy land
My hypothesis is people are easily frightened idiots. They don’t like change of any sort. It frightens them and then they can’t reason about if the change is good or bad long term.
If a place had bike lanes for years the same people who bike-lash would probably oppose removing them.
Like how they opposed getting rid of all of the street cars, light and heavy rail, etc. in the US in favor of cars and highways and gigantic parking lots? Or, how they opposed moving from living close together in the cities and inner ring suburbs to suburbs and exurbs because a family darker than them moved in to their neighborhood in the 50s and 60s?
Well, when you put it like that then my hypothesis doesn’t sound very plausible. But maybe racism just Trump’s everything else.
Racism and classism. For example, many of my fellow Americans unfortunately think only poor and black people ride bikes. So, they would rather there be no bike lanes on the off chance that such a person might ride through their community.
Reminds me of one of my favorite videos.
background
MARTA - Atlanta’s transit system, created in the 1960s. It was originally supposed to go to the 5 innermost counties of metro Atlanta (Fulton, Dekalb, Cobb, Gwinnett, and Clayton), but the 1965 ‘authorization to participate in the system’ referendum failed in Cobb. Long story short, MARTA ended up only in Fulton and Dekalb until 2014, when Clayton joined. It’s still not in Cobb or Gwinnett.
Cobb County - a county in the northwestern suburbs of Atlanta, known for being relatively white, wealthy, and racist (especially on its northeastern side).
In the decades since MARTA was founded, there have been repeated attempts to get Cobb to join, but it always fails and one of the biggest arguments the opposition uses is that it would bring “crime” (which around here, is well-understood to be a dog-whistle for “black people” in that context).
lol i love it, thanks!
America is not the only car centric culture. What is up with all the ‘America bad’ bullshit on Lemmy lately?
Also, I literally live next to a fully separated bike lane in an oil state…
But America bad tho
Bullshit? It’s like comic book super villan axis of evil bad. Hard to even make hyperbole about how bad the US is. Are you living in Israel perhaps? That’s the only way I could see maybe by comparison not thinking everything the US is doing is just horrendous.
The government is. What did I do as a Native American just trying to live my life and not voting for the current administration? And what does that have to do with cars?
Lemmy is big on tankies, and they often make assumptions about how the US and people there are.
Not attacking you, no one was. The cartoon is a charicature that is representative of common American views. You are in a shit hole country and the heartland of America is full of uneducated hate filled bigots that represent a strong enough voice to shape the government into what it is.
Don’t take it personally. It’s not like everyone in Israel is an asshole either, but as a country, total shit hole.
Not even close to being untrue. I’ve listened to a lot of conservatives being anti-sidewalks growing up, complaining how sidewalks aided criminals.
I’m the other way around - I took one trip to the Netherlands and didn’t expect to come back forever changed. I know what good public transit looks like now and can’t unsee it. Since then I’ve picked apartments based on how bicycle and metro connected they are.
Same. My girlfriend used to be a car enthusiast and ever since I took here there she’s gone full !fuckcars.
Yeees… yees… all is going according to plan
Shit started to go wrong as far back as the 50s most places, perhaps earlier in the US. Light rail, tram networks were ripped up all over the world in favour of private motor vehicles and US style real estate development with their car centric dead burbs and no local life.
Once you go all in on car centric planning it is difficult to go back. Housing development is a long way from quality entertainment, shopping, food, culture, work so people need to travel long distances but everything is so distributed and low density that its hostile to public transport networks.
Americans are correct. You can’t simply swap to bikes and public transport on top of 70+ years of insane urban planning. Some older inner cities and very small towns can be fixed. The rest is a problem.
How can you feel guilty for pollution if you don’t believe in pollution? Checkmate libtards. Now excuse me, I have a plane to catch, going to the grocery store, both trucks are at the garage.
