When I was a union rep there would be people that would bitch about the $70 bucks a month or whatever the dues were. I would explain that without the union their pay would be far, far less (not even bringing up the benefits of work hours, vacation days and whatnot). Like the “all taxes are theft” morons, the words often fell on deaf and willfully ignorant ears.
They probably have no idea what the Homestead Strike was.
I hate paying 10 dollars to get 25 dollars. The worst.
Because these people don’t see the bigger picture. They see they could get $35 if they didn’t have to pay the union. What they don’t see is that the union is the reason they’re “getting” $35 and without the union they’re definitely not going to get $35. And obviously any non-monetary benefit (such as more days off) goes way over their heads.
It’s not even just about money, and anyone who’s worked a union job will tell you that. Many of the benefits of unions aren’t completely measurable (e.g. correcting the balance of power in favor of workers, even if just a tiny bit).
Even if it wasn’t a bot, why is she mad at unions when she’s barely scraping by? Unions would help her with that
Union payments in Iceland are like $20 per month. I’m pretty sure union workers get at least 20 cents more per hour than non union workers to break even.
union busting tactics in the us are basically on toddler level. remember the pamphlet that was sent out to united airlines workers when they were unionising? “union dues are $600 a year. why not spend that money on a new videogame system instead?”
That’d still be a bargain. Many unions in Iceland pay 75% of psychological help, glasses and exercise subscriptions by doing some collective bargaining magic. They also provide “time shares” type of vacation bungalows and more.
All on top of higher salaries, better working hours and working conditions and will provide legal assistance in case of wage theft which my sister had to use one time.
Basically a quality of life upgrade that pays you money even though it may not say so on the pay slip.
yeah i used my union membership to get a lower interest rate on my car loan. lots of benefits.
Same at least for my union in the US. I haven’t needed it, but it’s there for the people who do. Most of the benefits like dental have better coverage through my employer, but I am sure it is more relevant for other bargaining units that they work with.
In the US standard is 2.5 hrs/month. I can’t say for certain I made that back cash, but by the time benefits and job security were added i more than made it up
If you are asking for the arguments to make sense if you think about it for longer than 3 seconds, then you are asking too much.
I’ve saved a lot of headache by realizing people are dumber than I think they are
I think thats the joke
This should be illegal to the point that whoever is responsible for this tweet should be jailed for st least 5 years.
If Amazon paid someone/company to do this, then it definitely is illegal. But likely no jail for anyone, just minor fines chocked up to the “cost of doing business”
And people will lap this up as a genuine Amazon worker. Disgusting.
Yeah, no, that should be jail time for whoever sighed off on this.
Make a few examples and people will very quickly stop signing off on shit like this
Except the king of disinformation bought Twitter. And “we” not only keep using it en masse, but basically elected him as president.
I dunno about the rest of the world, but the US is way past the event horizon, and the chance of ever arresting people like this is less than zero.
This whole election is nuts. RFK Jr. is gonna gut the FDA and NIH so they have to outsource more and draw more lawsuits which will feed his own stupid advocacy firm, or he’ll switch his company over to consulting and score millions more by outsourcing the FDA to his own workers. And Elon is obviously going to benefit himself. And Trump is gonna wreak havoc on the economy in the long run with his tariffs if he’s being serious, and his border policies are a disaster… this isn’t going to go well.
the whole point is to kill the FDA and NIH
yeah that’s what I just said. and its a bad idea. if you believe the government is inefficient, you don’t just fire everyone lol. you work on a granular level to incentivize efficiency through policy adjustments.
The fact they’re just planning on firing everyone is proof they’re not interested in helping Americans. They just want to strain federal agencies to a point they have to outsource even more than they do. This way, these people retain power vai consultant firms etc. long after they step out of office.
You’ll get a lot more salary with Unions…
As a Single Mother With Two Children I am afraid that the Union will be bad, aktuly. Are you disagreeing with me? You simply don’t understand what its like to be a Single Mother With Two Children. Why are you attacking me? I am a simple Single Mother With Two Children who is too weak and tired to argue with you.
As a Single Mother With Two Children I am just asking questions about why the Union is bad and now you, a big Pro-Union Thug, are hurting me and my Two Children who are very small and vulnerable.
Stop! Please! Help! The Union is Hurting Me! It’s just as I anticipated!
Well yeah we know that!
She probably does, too. She is a shill.
She’s not real, we just went over this.
Hey now, yer fancy pants logic ain’t wahlcome round these parts. - Muricuh
I was part of a union. I got paid minum wage. My manager was the union rep. I had to work a role that I was literally allergic to.
Despite this, I’m still pro-union. Just not that particular union.
My manager was the union rep
I’m like 80% certain that’s illegal basically everywhere innit? Conflict of interest
I’m sure it was very illegal, and nobody did a thing about it.
In my union, reps have to be put up for vote every three years, and if even after that you still don’t like them, you have the option to go straight to your FTO.
They may also be using the term manager very loosely. At my workplace most of the supervisors are union, but they have 1 top person at each department of each worksite who’s excluded from the union (not really management, but a company representative at least).
I’ve never heard of management being in the same bargaining unit as the rank and file. Odd.
This person may be a higher up at Amazon, knowing that unions will diminish her bonuses (salary) because the workers underneath her are making more and no quotas are being met.
This is no excuse though
This was from the amazon beef with Bernie sanders back in like 2019. Amazon created a bunch of these fake accounts only to be called out for it later.
https://amp.theguardian.com/technology/2021/mar/30/amazon-twitter-defenders-fake-accounts
I doubt any higher up is “barely scraping by”. And as another comment brought up the recipes, this is most definitely a bot.
Won’t someone think of the “higher ups”?
After the last few weeks, I imagine there’s a bit of “not like this!” Going on
could have been real because of some “ambassador” scheme they had where they’d hook a select few warehouse workers with social media handles to spread the propaganda
which only makes it more creepy if you ask me.
they’d hook a select few warehouse workers with social media handles to spread the propaganda
Then, if the media didn’t trend or the employees couldn’t keep up with their workload plus social media, they were fired.
Also a lie in lots of places.
Does she know it’s (usually) voluntary?
But that’s not true. It depends if you live in a “right-to-work” state. Currently there are 26 of them, mostly red states. I would assume that, by population, the majority of Americans do not live in “right-to-work” states.
Yeah I live in a populous red state and was forced to join a union for a job. It was as bad as how they forced me to wear hearing protection and steel toe shoes on the factory floor. Watch out or you may be forced to do such things as well
She doesn’t exist. Profile picture is AI generated from https://www.thispersondoesnotexist.com/
The person who wrote the xit surely knows how unions work.
That’s not even close to the profile picture shown in the OP. What are you on about?
It generates a new one every time you refresh the page. The one in the OP is unique. You won’t get the same one, but if you seen enough of them you can spot these AI generated photos. There is just something off about them. Since the lighting and skin texture is almost always the same and the eyes are sort of dead. And the eyes are always in that same spot.
Oh, OK! That’s cool.
That’s such a laughably bad “unions bad” take. If there was such a thing as a kind of insurance where they fight to keep you employed, people would probably sign up and pay the fees.
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I’ve always wondered, what prevents creating a corporation to hire every worker possible, makes them proportional owners, and then negotiates wages and benefits on their behalf?
One enormous corporation that has all of the benefits of a union.
you mean like free market syndicalism
Yes, but strictly created to take advantage of all benefits afforded corporations via modern laws and political influence.
So a co-op?
Like Mondragon?
Not the exact same thing, but is a step in moving society that way, but read up on Germany’s co-determination laws.
THIS right here. Mondragon is exactly what GP Is asking about.
If you’re reading this and thinking about starting an LLC, non-profit, co-op, or union shop, please give this a look too.
Corporate espionage and competition. It would not be allowed
Interesting. Even if it operated like an agency?
If it operates like an agency, it’s already at a disadvantage because the real profit is being made by someone else anyway. Otherwise it’s a neat idea.
You don’t hire an agency to break even, you hire an agency to work on projects you assume will bring you profit. In my industry in particular, you might hire some agency employees, spend a few hundred thousand a year, to help finish a product that will rake in tens of millions a year, or to create some internal tooling that saves you millions in employee productivity.
I think this model exists. waitrose in UK might be one of them, not sure though.
The co-op is also one of these, surprisingly
What advantages do you think a corporation would have that a union doesn’t?
I think a major issue is that if the corporation cannot find work for all of its employees, how will it pay them? And since, presumably, there will be admin staff required who also need to be paid, the amount this corporation will charge the employers of the workers will have to be more than is paid to the workers. If this amount is significant, employers can poach employees from the “union corp” by offering more money, while still saving themselves money.
You earn more when a union fight for higher wages, union dues are negligible
Mine are $30/month but I make $10/hour more than the non-union crews.
See but now I have to do basic as fuck math, and that’s scary!
You’ve paid your dues before lunch on the 1st
The extra money you make by being part of the union pays your dues before lunch on the 1st.
Yes. This is better phrasing of what I meant.
The anti-union Americans have a vacuum between their ears and enjoy 3rd World working conditions. F-them.
Can we get refugee status in your country?
at my job, you are covered by the union whether you pay dues or not
Some countries are like that. There are pros and cons to it though. The unions are stronger when people bother joining.
Also, being covered by an agreement at your work is only part of what unions offer. They have other services for members, like getting your salary checked, legal support, salary insurance, various discounts for stuff, etc.
It might be tempting to save the membership fee, but don’t be a leech. Someone worked hard to get the benefits for everyone. Join the union.
i was a part of the union for several years, went to meetings and voted and everything. unfortunately i became disabled and the amount of medical bills etc became so overwhelming i had to cut everything i could. since i was still covered by the union, i had to make that choice for me, even tho it bothers me. I’m not a leech, just in an unfortunate financial position currently. $40 is a lot for some people, especially if they have mouths to feed :(
How does that work? Wouldn’t a lot of people just not bother paying?
that’s why education in the topic matters. So the roomtemp mf have the info before the business gets to feed them desinfo (or before they try to think for themselves and come to wrong conclusions)
I do know plenty of people who think this way, and I find the post quite plausible. There’s been so much disinformation about unions in the US, for the last couple generations, that people don’t know any better.
However as an edge case, I do believe it was true for my brother working part time minimum wage. As far as we could tell there were no benefits for the part timers, no extra pay, no protections, no perks, just extra dues to pay. It’s too bad too, this could have been the unions chance to re-educate, show them benefits when someone is starting out so they support unions the rest of their lives. Instead it reinforced his prior attitude and he remains anti-union to this day
