I’ve taken to the term 3rd-wave Trek for the 2010s-present shows to identify the stylistic differences in production compared to shows made in the 80s-90s or 60s.
Each era is molded by the media conventions of it’s time. And there I go reinventing Marshal McLuhan again: “the medium is the message”
You’re fooling yourself if you don’t want to see the sharp decrease in quality post DS9. The best Trek series of the last 25 years is Orville ffs
I’d give strange new worlds a pass as being better than Orville, but yeah, it’s definitely the exception to the rule.
Fair, Strange New Worlds is great
LOL I had a whole reply typed out before I realized this was sarcasm. A+ example of a red flag.
You’re so threatened by people who like different TV shows than you that you have to pretend their opinions aren’t serious?
If it doesn’t have 20+ episode seasons it’s nutrek
NuTrek apparently began in 1973.
So season one of DS9 and voyager?
I don’t really like any Trek past DS9 Don’t hate me
This is the good take. Star Trek peaked at DS9 and there’s yet to be a good reason to continue past it.
Biggest red flag in the entire thread. You win.
Ah yes, “my opinion is infallible and I’m righteous for screaming it from the rooftops, but your opposing opinion is ignorant and worthy of dismissal!”
Red flag indeed, friend.
This is so good I literally can’t tell if you’re doing copypasta or not
VOY and ENT are good
Never liked VOY, writing is poor… Not interesting sci-fi like TNG, not a captivating story like DS9…
The Doctor is essentially the only good part. Maybe Seven of Nine, Jery Ryan is a great actress, despite the embarrassing clothing.SNW is good, DIS is whack. PIC essentially crapped all over the past series’ development, killed Hugh, Ro, Icheb, made the Federation grimdark… Monk Worf was cool tho.
Voyager’s writing is inconsistent. There’s some fantastic episodes… and then there’s salamanders.
As long as you don’t take every available opportunity to steer every single online conversation towards how you don’t like a tv show then we’re cool
“You are allowed to have your opinion so long as you don’t share it”
Who said you can’t share it? It’s not illegal to be annoying 🤷♂️
What if I say all trek is both NuTrek and OldTrek because accidental time travel
Creative fun in-universe answers are always:
The Cage is peak trek
Never accepted Kirk and those after as real trek
You better be referring to the original broadcast recorded to magnetic tape and not the abomination that is the DVD release
What about the option of the original black and white recording of ‘The Cage’ with the colour portions from ‘The Menagerie’ spliced in, as released to videotape in thr 80s?
That was the real Star Trek. Roddenberry even took it to cons in the 70s and 80s to let fans know what he really wanted to put on the air.
Good point. Everything after that is woke critical race theory DEI!
I like NuMetal tbh
It’s a massive, massive red flag when someone goes the “Terran Empire/Section 31 did nothing wrong” route.
It’s very common in zone chat on Star Trek Online. Some fascists just hang around Earth Spacedock all day there, posting nonstop fascist screeds, and if they’re ever actually out in their ships, without fail it’s “ISS” prefix with names like “AYN RAND.”
Disclaimer: Yes some people play bad guys in their games, but I don’t think just playing the part involves hours-long rants about why the (slurs here) need to be wiped out in zone chats.
EDIT: I think I’ll add “fervent Discovery apologists, especially ones that stan for space fascists after contrived apology arcs,” if only because of their repeated tendency to feel very smart to the point of undue arrogance about contrived “what if mass murdering dictators… actually good once the protagonist buddies up with them?” bad writing cliches.
Well, section 31 did save the whole alpha quadrant from the Dominion…
If you believe there was no possible way to do that without an unaccountable space CIA, believe what you will.
If you’re not also posting real-life extermination apologia in public zone chats in online games on the side, good enough for me.
Nah genocide isn’t my jam… But yes, I believe the Dominion war wouldn’t have ended without the virus. The Dominion would have just kept sending ships and Jem’Hadar from the Gamma quadrant.
Edit: btw I dislike the way DIS “unshrouded” section 31. It was much cooler in DS9 where we were left to wonder whether it actually existed or not, or it was just Sloane being godlike in his manipulation skills.
Every captain gets a little genocide, as a treat.
Discovery bringing Georgiou back in season 2 as a Section 31 agent felt to me like the show was doing this, and is what put me off that show specifically. I really like the majority of modern Trek shows, and even like 2 out of 3 of the Kelvin timeline movies.
Georgiou eventually turned on her S31 superiors, joined the Discovery crew, and tried to make the Mirror Universe better when the Guardian (sort of) gave her the opportunity.
Space Hitler felt kind of bad about some things and made some space friends and promises to make the next Space Reich a little nicer. No need for Space Nuremburg, for real.
So what about any of that screams “the Terran Empire did nothing wrong” to you? Or would you rather keep deflecting?
So what about any of that screams “the Terran Empire did nothing wrong” to you?
I wasn’t talking about you in particular, nor was I making the connection to that character when I was talking about red flags until you forcibly made it for me.
Read again. I was talking about people posting sometimes hours-long screeds in public zone chat channels in an online game about how badly they want to exterminate undesirables, that also happen to almost universally identify with the Terran Empire or Section 31 between such rants.
Because you went off into the weeds to make excuses for a specific character, I did happen to roll my eyes at the “the mass murdering dictator is sorry and that somehow means she is okay now, feeling bad and promising to be nicer rebalances the scales in a way that karmically un-kills everyone she murdered” argument, though it was a different topic and wasn’t even connected to what I was saying about toxic fans (and the actual topic brought up in this thread).
Or would you rather keep deflecting?
Spare me the catty Reddit zingers.
Cool cool, you’re just inserting irrelevant comments into a discussion I was having with someone else.
Truly dazzling.
What’s the face for anyone who remembers that by TOS canon, the greek god Apollo is real and just got bored of Earth and fucked off to another planet?
Teal’c.
I don’t mind the Kelvin films. Karl Urban as Bones makes it all worth while.
They’re just popcorn flicks. Watch or don’t watch and it’s not like the Star Trek Universe is altered in any way. (Also, those movies are better than everything after Wrath of Khan, movie-wise)
I mean, technically everything from TNG onwards would be NuTrek and Kelvin-stuff would be NuNuTrek, or rather Re-Trek, since it’s a reboot.
NuTrek started when they did a full visual reboot, including completely changing the look of the Klingons: TMP.
Then it got worse, when they followed that up with a grimdark shoot-em-up that felt nothing like Trek. These people aren’t even fans of the show!
Who wanted a visual reboot of the Klingons?
Discovery had so many problems for me: ship flies on magic mushrooms, her mom basically doesn’t care about her anymore by the end of it - the show-starting plot line, and the Klingons look like sweaty orcs.
Yeah, who wanted this visual reboot of the Klingons between old trek and nutrek?
Who wanted a visual reboot of the Klingons?
Gene Roddenberry, I guess. IMO the guy really fell off when he turned Trek into a saturday morning cartoon show. But yeah, sweaty orc is right, just look at these monstrosities:
lol, I love that you’re conflating the creator having the budget to make the show more in-line with his original vision with someone else making a lousy change for no clear reason. It’s a nice knee-slapper of a comment you have right there. Good luck with it.
TV and movie productions are collaborative efforts undertaken by a huge number of creative people, and I don’t think any of them make their decisions for no reason. The “original creator” of the Klingons was Gene L. Coon, who had nothing to do with their portrayal in TMP.
What’s wrong with the magic mushrooms? It’s not like Trek was ever hard sci-fi when it came to how the ships fly. For crying out loud, in Voyager they went so fast they were everywhere at once, then Tom Paris and Janeway had salamander babies.
It just felt so cliche, that the crazy discovery they make is that the strange stuff is alive. The writers couldn’t make it sentient because then they’d need to explain why it’s just like the Great Lake but different from the Great Lake. It just exists and Star Fleet happens to be the only ones who know about it.
completely changing the look of the Klingons
You are talking about the TOS movies/TNG? Never understand the forehead thing either
Yeah, I’m facetiously comparing the 1979 arguments over bumpy headed Klingons to the 2017 arguments over cone headed Klingons. What’s “new” keeps on changing, but the arguments about it stay eerily familiar.
“Nu” does not mean “New”.
It actually does. At least in this context.
Based on a real situation I encountered once: Normal Star Trek Fan: Yeh, I like Seven of Nine.
“Red flag” Star Trek Fan: I like Seven of Nine.
maybe I’ve consumed more and more scifi over the years to compare to or maybe the later releases of trek have lowered the average in my mind but I can’t help but see trek in general as solidly mid now
solidly mid
I hadn’t watched any Trek in a while and in Picard there was a scene where their ship was hit and started listing like a boat and I was like “that’s not how space works!”, then remembered that’s the thing with Star Trek.
You got to remember that Star Trek is based upon submarines warfare.
I mean, once your have artificial gravity… why wouldn’t it suck just like normal gravity?
People lurch around the bridge because some photon torpedo rocked the “down is this way” machine.
Oh inside the ship definitely, but outside space doesn’t have a down. If a photon torpedo really hit the front it would push the ship backwards, not to the front and down. But it’s ok, it’s just a bit of fun 🚀
One, you mean e.g., not i.e.
Two, that’s super not what nu-metal was about. It was extremely targeted to an audience of edgelord teenagers.
This response is a beige flag for me
I will always have a special place in my heart for the Kevin timeline because it was my gateway drug to the good stuff. I wound up watching all of Star Trek in chronical order enterprise to Voyager.
