DISCLAIMER: this is not my content that was removed, I just came across it in the modlog and found it to be absurd. If it’s not allowed, I totally understand.
Reason removed was because it’s unrelated.
Unrelated……
The guy was illegally deported without due process. And yet for some reason, suggesting so is somehow “unrelated” to a meme that is trying to say that because he is affiliated (no charges were ever filed against him for gang-related activity) with a gang, he is by default, guilty.
What’s ironic, is that the entire point of the meme is that the bullshit about him being in MS-13 is unrelated to the fact that people want accountability for this administration illegally deporting a man without due process.
This mod has definitely chosen the correct name.
And even taken into consideration that the instance is essentially a troll haven for wayward 4Chan refugees, they should still have to adhere to the rules of common sense.
Locking this topic because y’all clearly can’t stop trying to argue politics. Please use the relevant comms instead and not the comments of YPTB posts.
… wayward 4Chan refugees … common sense.
Come on now, you know better.
Fair point.
I was surprised… until I saw that it was c/conservatives…
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Nazi instance supporting Nazis, not a shock.
PTB, clear and simple. Someday they will be mass defederated. I don’t think my instance gets them, but I haven’t been looking for more digital self harm by reading Nazis advocating for my kind to be removed.
I don’t think my instance gets them
We do. 👍
Damn. Well, still glad I didn’t go looking for them.
PTB, clear and simple.
Agreed wholeheartedly.
Someday they will be mass defederated.
One can dream.
Hilariouschaos seems to pop up a lot here lately
There’s a good reason for that.
Hilariouschaos and Lemmy.today tend to be known to be the conservative instances.
today is only ‘conservative’ thanks to one very prolific poster. Some of us are sane. Block ‘that’ user (and all the alts, I guess) and the community he posts in.
Hmm, I don’t know if I can do the bang within a hyperlink, so here !conservative@lemmy.today
I got into a discussion with two of the admins there. They basically have every intention to sit on their hands and do nothing at all about that troll, even though proof was brought right to their fucking doorstep.
So it seems .today is going to be his own little personal echo chamber.
That community only has one user.
Hilariouschaos is one person pretending to be multiple people. Unhinged behavior
How do you know?
Half joking but it’s the vibe I get. Not sure how many actual people there are but the admin(s) definitely has multiple accounts and talks to themselves in “themed” communities. Like the Governor Chris Christie account
mrmanager of lemmy.today is just a bartender keeping to himself
They protect Universal Monk and his alt characters even after having been given evidence. They basically chose not to bother looking into it.
I’m about ready to block the instance. Not much of value will be lost.
Nothing at all will be lost. They’ll still show up in the modlogs. That’s where I saw this idiot’s work.
I think I was banned from there for calling out one of Universal Monk’s alt characters. I still see his shit show up in the logs.
Idk when chuckles became a mod or admin but they’re eleventy times worse than Alice.
It’s certainly chaos but there’s a distinct lack of hilarity.
Alice is okay, just a bit overenthusiastic with niche communities.
Chuckles seems to be a completely different level
Chuckles the clown should be put on blast everyday.
The administration of HilariousChaos aren’t any better as they don’t have any control or want to have any control over the people in their instance.
They need to be found and blasted, that way no one has to deal with them anymore
Is it mostly traitor lunatics or just random stuff including the traitors?
The entire instance is a fucking joke in name only. I was invited to make an account there around when they started by some kid named “Alice.” I noped the fuck out the minute I saw what it was:
A shit-tier wannabe cover-band of 4Chan’s greatest hits.
Thanks for this. I have some “conservative” communites blocked, but I didn’t know about “conservativeS.” Added to the list.
No problem. Yeah. Everyone should know about them.
PTB in this case.
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Is there evidence for this?
No, there isn’t.
That sounds like election denial. I thought you guys didn’t do that?
Wasn’t there also the slight issue of many not bothering to vote at all or not willing to vote for the more democratic candidate over Israel or something? So much drama in the states…
Yeah all those “gEnOciDe” trolls have mystically vanished since then …
I’m no anti electoralist, but people are still protesting the genocide.
There was a specific crowd pretending only democrats could have responsibility for it and that Trump could not be worse
No, that’s not what they said, and I still see most of those names posting around Lemmy all the time
Usually saying “toldja”, fun y enough
Either we’re not talking about the same crowd, or you need to work on your reading comprehension
you’re making that up.
I saw them with my own eyes.
can you show me?
I haven’t gone anywhere. Frankly you’re a piece of shit for implying everybody who cared about gaza was a foreign troll. The fact you’re entirely lacking empathy for foreigners and only care about your own sheltered ass doesn’t mean we’re all like that. Scumbag
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What’s happening in palestine is blatantly abhorrent, but voting dem would have ended in a much more favourable outcome (not a good outcome, but better).
If you mean a more favorable outcome in Palestine, I… don’t think so. I mean I voted for Harris, and a mostly democratic ballot from top to bottom, but I really don’t think she would have changed the behavior of Israel in Palestine or even significantly change U.S.A. actions that support that behavior.
But, she wouldn’t have trashed our relationship with every trading partner, ruined the NIH and FDA, published military plans in the newspaper. She might have been better on trans rights, but maybe not. So, yeah a more favorable outcome overall, at least IMO.
While I wasn’t referring to Palestine specifically, I feel it would have been tangentially more preferable, but still awful for Palestine.
I think she would have been on par with biden on trans rights.
that user is always occupying the ever-common Lemmy superposition of dunking relentlessly on people for being pro Palestine, but then if pressed will desperately act like they’re also pro Palestine and claim that it’s your responsibility to prove why they’re not.
This one you’re replying to in particular is also just a chauvinist who loves calling Russians orcs
loves calling Russians orcs
Orcs : (in fantasy literature and games) a member of an imaginary race of humanlike creatures, characterized as ugly, warlike, and malevolent.
Average ‘anti-racist’ lib.
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This “superposition” tactic has a name: Motte-and-bailey argument
Is that similar to being pro-Palestine while they’re being invaded yet pro-Russian while they’re invading?
No, and
I don’t think those people are dunking on people for being pro-palestine, they’re dunking on them not voting because of Palestine.
Believe it or not, not everyone is a shit stain American who got to vote for one of your two shitty mainstream candidates, both of which support Israel to the hilt.
My parties? I’m Irish and all three of our major parties support palestine.
Yeah all those “gEnOciDe” trolls have mystically vanished since then …
A charitable read is that it’s only dunking on people for the electoral choices, but the racist comment history and shitty previous interactions I’ve had with this particular user is why I don’t have any charity today.
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Preach, friend! 100 percent true!
And if significantly less than that 38% had voted for Harris when Trump told them he would destroy America, they could have beaten Trump.
Maybe folks don’t want to vote for their own oppressors, whether the oppressor in chief is Trump or Harris? But Harris would have been less oppressive you say? Tell that to the working poor who have ballooned in numbers under both Democrats and Republicans. And tell it to the Palestinians, most of whom were killed with Biden’s bombs.
Riiiight. Yeah. Let’s all take a look around and see how we are SO much better off as a result of your inaction.
My inaction? I’m not American. And neither do I accept the pitiful attempt of Democrats to deflect blame onto everyone but themselves for their embarrassing loss to a literal moron. You lot fucked around with plutocracy and reached the endgame early. Sucks to be you I guess.
As I’ve said before, I have had comments removed from here for bringing up something unrelated to the PTB. Even though it was related as it involved the same mod, it was removed anyway.
Now you’re here to debate a topic unrelated to the mod or the topic, even after I’ve said that I won’t discuss it with you here because I’m following the rules that were cited as reason for the removal of my comments in another post.
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what are you gonna do about it?
grow up, either grab a rifle and start shooting at political candidates or vote for the lesser evil, you can’t sit in the corner and cry like a 5 year old waiting for the teacher to come and defend you.
This is the real world, nobody is gonna help you but yourself.
Yes, it is unfair, it is fucked and it is bad, but really, what are you gonna do about it?
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what are you gonna do about it?
there are lots of other options
Probably because there were only a few guns found, and he sent mixed messages including telling people to be peaceful and later to go home. I’ve even seen threads here where people admit it wasn’t a real insurrection. It was less violent than things that have happened in places like Seattle - and I get that different rules apply at the Capitol - but bottom line it wasn’t a slam dunk as disqualifying him in the public’s opinion.
Revisionism
Ask for the guards’ takes on what happened instead
I have heard the guards takes and I think I have a grasp on the nature of the event. I’ve also watched tons of videos including unprompted violence and also the guards letting people in, giving no resistance at all. It was a fucked up day, but was anything I said untrue?
Jill Stein was a spoiler candidate to help Trump
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The Green party opposes everything Trump and MAGA stand for.
https://www.newsweek.com/jill-stein-how-why-i-will-stop-kamala-harris-winning-white-house-1961100
Kamala Harris cannot win the presidential election because she has lost the crucial support of Muslim and Arab Americans in key battleground states, Jill Stein has said.
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That’s what they’re supposed to do, doesn’t mean it’s what they do in practice.
no she wasn’t
There was a reason she didn’t run in 2020 and that’s because her interference wasn’t needed that year.
that’s the year I voted for Howie Hawkins. you’re just spreading a baseless conspiracy theory
It’s baseless that she didn’t run in 2020?
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-says-jill-stein-favorite-politicians-1980202
https://fairvote.org/jill-stein-and-spoiler-season/
Despite this poll, the conventional wisdom remains (and most polling suggests) that Green candidates hurt Democrats more than Republicans. The parties seem to be approaching Stein’s campaign accordingly.
In addition to the ad, Democrats have hammered Stein’s candidacy in recent weeks. Conservative operatives tried to help Stein qualify for the ballot in key states to hurt Vice President Harris (just as Democrats tried to help a Constitution Party candidate to hurt former President Trump).
One thing is clear: fear and weaponization of minor-party “spoilers” is alive and well in the last days of the 2024 presidential election – except in Maine and Alaska, which use ranked choice voting to vote for president.
With ranked choice voting, neither side would have to worry about the election being “spoiled,” and voters could confidently cast their ballots for their favorite candidate instead of feeling pressured to pick the lesser of two evils.
this doesn’t prove your claim.
Wake up.
prove the claim.
No, I’m not interested in doing your homework for you. Prove I’m wrong.
There can be only two candidates to choose from, and both will be genocide supporters, and you will be happy you have a vote.
Don’t give them so much credit. He won because of voter suppression laws targeting groups who typically vote democrat, and general laziness from democrats resulting in low voter turnout like usual.
Both can be true
So you think the ninety one million people are lazy democrats? Not a single lazy “I refuse to vote in protest” socialist among them?
Plenty of those. Those people should have voted for the socialist candidates like I did! Not voting was silly. On the other hand, people are free to choose to vote or not.
Who let you out of your cave? Go back to your aging mining rig and meme some more Hawk Tuah coins dammit.
Why would a socialist ever vote for the Democrats?
Because they understand iterated game theory. (Watch the first video at https://www.cgpgrey.com/politics-in-the-animal-kingdom/ and you might understand it, too.) FPtP means you vote for the a candidate that has a chance to win. Among those candidates you pick your most preferred / least bad option.
(Other videos at that link provide alternatives to FPtP that would better represent that preferences of the populace, and some areas in the U.S. do use non-FPtP for some parts of the election process.)
game theory doesn’t determine human behavior or elections, which depend on human behavior
Human behavior can be modeled. It is often modeled quite well with game theory.
We do have to be cautious tho. Models can let you derive a lot of results, but some or all of those results may not apply to reality depending on how much your model differs from it.
We know the iterated game theory model is largely valid because it is derived in the absence of historical examples and but history shows it in action repeatedly, albeit imperfectly.
So, while I agree on principle, I don’t agree that it is the “dunk” / refutation of all game theory that you think it implies.
It is often modeled quite well with game theory.
no, it’s not
You’ll never change the system by complying with the system.
That’s just not true. There’s a lot of change that is incremental and comes from within.
That said, if you have enough fighting the system to do that you absolutely can’t find time to cast a vote, please do that.
And, I also agree that the system is going to be trying to change you instead, but it’s going to be trying to do that whether you “comply” or participate or not. It is possible to vote without being instantly and irrecoverably corrupted.
Because our only other option was what we have now. It was never a good trade for anyone. But take a look around and ask yourself if Kamala would have done ANY of this shit.
Hell. Just take the damage trump’s little pet gremlin Elon has done.
Think about it. There would have been no DOGE under Harris.
That alone should have been why socialists should have voted for the democrat.
Another reason is Project 2025. He TOLD them what was going to happen. In detail. So again, there was plenty of reasons to use their vote defensively.
They chose not to.
And let’s throw in the fact that this discussion and the entire comment section wouldn’t have existed under Harris. And that is because the post would have existed. And that is because it wouldn’t have happened. And that is because we would all still have a right to due process.
In the event that they, or you- need and further answers to why they should have ever voted for a democrat- I’d suggest they read the news…
… every fucking day, for the next four years.
Ah yes, the least-worst option voting tactic, which ensures only one of two corrupt, incompetent parties can ever win the Presidency. Hardly vote inspiring is it? Do better.
So in a least-worse voting situation, you’re suggesting that the ideal course of action is inaction?
Has no one told you how voting works?
Oh and by the way, this conversation is a direct violation of the rules of this community isn’t?
Your input has absolutely nothing to do with the PTB in question. Is this a “rules for thee” situation? Because you’ve removed my comments in the past for delving into the topic of the posts that were removed, so I’m just trying to understand where the goalposts are here.
I’m simply responding directly to your comments. I agree we have strayed from the original topic, so will leave it there.
How it works in your country you mean? Where voters have basically no say in the candidates they can vote for, and are attacked and disparaged by both major parties if they have the temerity to vote for a candidate they actually like? Sounds like a healthy “democracy” to me, sure. The whole point of a democracy is voting for folks who represent your views. If neither of the two mainstream parties reflect your views then you are completely disenfranchised under that system. Accepting the premise that only one of two parties can ever win a Presidential election means that you have already given up on democracy. Holding your nose and voting for the least worst candidate only serves to prop up the two party system in perpetuity, and ensures your views will never be represented in the future.
Number of times Unruffled has advocated for the solution of attending any of the protests going on right now: As far as I can tell, 0
- https://ponder.cat/search?q=protest&type=All&listingType=All&creatorId=845&page=1&sort=New (also search that page for “Democrat” and “either party”)
- https://ponder.cat/search?q=50501&type=All&listingType=All&creatorId=845&page=1&sort=New
- https://ponder.cat/search?q=hands+off&type=All&listingType=All&creatorId=845&page=1&sort=New
Number of times Unruffled has advocated for the solution of not voting for Democrats: Jesus Christ I think I’m going to puke
The immigration judge literally said there was no proof he was MS-13.
Plaintiff Abrego Garcia is not a member of or has no affiliation with Tren de Aragua, MS-13, or any other criminal or street gang. Although he has been accused of general “gang affiliation,” the U.S. government has never produced an iota of evidence to support this unfounded accusation.
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mdd.578815/gov.uscourts.mdd.578815.1.0_1.pdf
Trump’s attempts at “proving” he was MS-13 was a laughably bad photoshop of “ms13” across his knuckles that took exactly 5 seconds of searching to disprove.
Yeah. I think what I’ve seen is that Trump and his dipshit administration is going off of some unsubstantiated bullshit claims by the police.
That’s apparently all they need now.
sounds like something a gang member would say….
jesus christ… i hate trump more than you BUT, they didn’t photoshop ms13 across his knuckles, the picture is annotated to show what they assume it means.
it goes:
Marijuana=M, Smiley=S, Cross=1, Skull=3the “ms13” written on there is obviously not part of the photo and nobody thought it was.
it’s completely insane, and not at all evidence, but it’s not what you’re saying, ffs
Cross=1, Skull=3
Obviously
I thought non citizens also had a right to a fair trial?
They did. And if you read a few of the comments here, it’s somehow the fault of the democrats?
They’re supposed to. But unfortunately Trump and his DOJ are wiping their ass with the Constitution. So I wouldn’t count on any due process in this country for the next 4 years unless we can replace Congress and get that fucker out.
with due process exceptions, anyone can be labelled ‘non citizen’ and treated without due process.
either everyone has due process, or no one is.
Yeah it’s it’s shit server bro
Telling people to “fuck off” is incredibly rude. YDI.
Trump is merely continuing the Biden tradition of seeing 40 beheaded babies and finding Hamas bases under hospitals. But if Trump does it suddenly you believe in the rule of law. It has already been demolished.
Telling people to “fuck off” is incredibly rude
Oh hey look it’s the average .world mod attitude! Rudeness < Nazi behaviour, so maybe check your priorities on criticism yeah?
Yep. I am not even telling the genocide defenders to “Fuck off” nor personally insult them.
Well, aren’t you a saint?
Ohmygod I saw the link and all the best parts of my brain lit up.
I will never be able to not read every single comment in a YPTB thread. I just won’t.
Can you link the part where I started screaming insults?
YDI.
Can you point out where I said you did?
FU.
“Fuck off with this”
Is that your comment or not?
Not.
I see the “don’t sass the nazis” attitude so prevalent among reddit mods made it to lemmy. Bummer.
Not on this instance matey lol. But LW for sure.
Fuck right off
Nothing gets Liberals angrier than being called out on their hypocrisy 🙂
Who are you? Please don’t speak to me or my son ever again.
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Anyone who calls you out on getting banned for insulting people is a Russian troll
Use some basic manners before making a post on how bad mods are.
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Screams insults
Gets banned
YDI
Nooo that is MAGA Apologia!!!
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Scream MAGA at everything
“I am so chivalrous”
“YDI for telling a bootlicking fascist apologist to fuck off.”
“I am so chivalrous’
Classic Democrat take. Propaganda didn’t win Trump the election. The painful incompetence of Biden and Kamala handed him the election. And the painful incompetence of Trump will (hopefully, as in hopefully there’s another election) lead to the election of whoever the next completely unlikable and unpopular Democratic candidate is. Have you folks ever thought of running a candidate who would actually tackle income inequality and fairly tax the rich? Nah, didn’t think so.
Considering that this discussion has nothing to do with the PTB in question, I’m going to end this here before my comments get removed. I’d rather keep the discussion within the wheelhouse of the post.
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This place is filled with people who do not know how to behave.
You’re free to block it and walk away.
Just…. Walk away.
You’re on the internet being an annoying shit stain, course folks are gonna be assholes. Being nice ain’t a virtue it’s a courtesy one I ain’t given ya.
More insult slinging from the civilized liberals who were so eager about good language when defending genocide. What a surprise.
Dude ya just called an Inland Imperial Redneck a civilized liberal, I ain’t either I’m a minarchist socialist. As for defending genocide I’m gonna assume ya are referring to the genocide in Gaza, which all I have to say on that one is that id turn Tel Aviv into a parking lot. An eye for an eye flesh for flesh kill em all and let the gods sort out the rest.
Perhaps ya should stop while you are ahead because all you are doing is making an ass of thineself.
We have our very own r/conservative (degrogatory) now.
Why can’t they stay on their shit and be miserable there, they always follow us around and try and wreck whatever we make like the petulant whiny brats they are. I don’t go into their shitholes, why can’t they just stay out of our house
Because conservative idiots aren’t content talking to each other in their own spaces, they seek to force their ideas onto other people, even those who wish not to listen to them. It’s why they shut exploding-heads down, they were widely defederated and couldn’t force their ideas onto other people easily.
Because they’re utterly devoid of original thought and creativity and crave the attention.
They’re every annoying prepubescent sibling you’ve ever had, but in the guise of a fully grown voting adult.
this is the million dollar question
Not even they like each other. They want a constant supply of docile victims.
Because they can’t stand being around other people like themselves.
