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        MY BROTHERRRR IN CHRIST

        Catch me in Avignon with the nWo. Mick Foley died several times for our sins

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      Did not have a Henry VIII style split with the church on my bingo card, but let’s just get it over with. Can’t wait for US Catholics to get the option to openly follow their one true religion: Cheap, poorly managed, failing attempts at white American hegemony and hate.

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        One thing I really think the he should have done more was criticize the American version of Christianity. It’s divorced so much even from Protestantism that it should be called out. That one of the candidates to replace him is from the Philippines it will hopefully throw a wrench into the more racist aspects of it.

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          I don’t think a Catholic religious leader is really in much of a position to criticize Protestantism, do you? I mean I could see criticizing fundamentalism in general, but…

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            I don’t think the comment is suggesting they criticize Protestantism. I think they are suggesting that US Catholics faith no longer aligns with the Vatican and that it’s diverged to the point that in no longer even represents the idea of Christianity at large (Protestants) and more just some new thing (presumably where people pretend to read the Bible and just ignore all the commandments).

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              Ah, yeah that’s fair, I may have misunderstood. Although honestly cherry-picking the bible is neither new nor uniquely Protestant. I do wonder how uniquely American it is though, because there’s a very wide streak of it through American evangelicalism but I don’t hear too much about it from elsewhere in the world.

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            I thought he should. I should have specified the tradcath movement and by that I mean like if you go to Twitter or related platforms you get these people claiming to be catholic and stating that they are tradcaths, some idealized version of a catholic that believes in ‘traditional values’ and just general MRA, incel stuff that otherwise never ever made sense in catholicism. And then you have plenty of leaders in the States that repeatedly claim to be Christian or just outright make up stuff and pretend like their idealogy is completely approved by the Vatican (or they are just so ignorant they just assume all Christians follow the same ideaology). Paula White and JD Vance are a good examples of this.

            It’s just that there’s a growing blurring in the States of Protestantism, Teleevangelism and Catholicism that I think the pope should have addressed.

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              Oh, yeah that’s a different matter, the pope obviously has quite a lot of say about what Catholics should or shouldn’t be doing (for better or worse.) But the pope trying to criticize Protestant groups would just incite some very strong backlash.

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              Vatican 2 (updates such as being able to say Mass in a language that people can understand) pissed off a group of weird people, who have been quietly pretending that things the Pope says about not hating gay people aren’t official Church doctrine. It is surprising that they haven’t tried to set up their own counter Pope yet.

              Lots of these American trad caths are people raised in that mega church vague non denominational Protestantism where rules don’t really matter. They get a little grossed out by the corporate slickness and callous capitalism (give give give, so we can improve our million dollar sound system), so they think they can keep doing what they’re doing - just with a little more class.

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          Yea, I’m not gonna start criticizing him because I’ll just never stop, but I’ll at least agree with your point.

          For what it’s worth, what the pope actually says/does has started mattering very little anyways. They no longer even pretend to care.

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    Man I’m gonna miss him. Dude was a damn legend and the stuff he accomplished was nothing short if amazing.

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        I’m just going to ramble so sorry if it’s a little incoherent.

        One of the most progressive popes in recent memory. He continuously stayed in touch with the parishioners in Gaza and continously spoke out against the genocide, even on his deathbed he kept in touch with them, he encouraged Marxists and Catholics by becoming the first pope to outright acknowledge the similarities in Marxism and Christianity (doing so many times over the years), he replaced about 80% of the current cardinals with ones more progressive like he, hopefully solidifying his message and became the first ever pope to apologize and start to reconcile the relationships with the indengeious Canadians and what the church did to them with residential schools.

        He encouraged unity between the Catholic and Orthodox churches, by working out and having both churches celebrate easter for the first time since the schism over 1000 years ago, helping to mend the churches possibly even more so than Ecumenism. He was one of the only public figures actually talking about the genocide in Darfur.

        He was a proponent of LGBT peoples in the church. Definitely not on the same level as some progressive but he was the first pope to allow a LGBT+ advocacy group (Jonathan’s Tent) and give them spotlight, even giving them their own events in the calendar, also changing the direction of the church’s opinion on the LGBT community.

        He was quite often criticized by conservatives as a socialist and Marxist but really he was just following the doctrine. He also had views on refugees and migrants that I can’t recall exactly right now. With regards to the sexual abuse scandals that rocked the church in the 90s (rip Sinead o’ Connor), he toughened the canon law to further go after the priests responsible. I recall he either fired or excommunicated some priests involved in the scandal but I can’t recall atm. Imo, he should have gone farther on it but it was as a start.

        I think he should have railed a little harder against the American televangelists and the American tradcath movement but there are Christian groups doing that on their own (like the Trinity Foundation). He wasn’t perfect by all means. There were homes demolished during his visit in Timor-Leste and people displaced and he excommunicated Carlo Maria Viganò but when comparing him against the previous popes he left behind a tremendous legacy.

        He is also the only pope to release a prog rock album.

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          So he successfully put on a friendlier face on his inhumane, repressive and hopelessly backward organisation without substantially changing anything? Big whoop.

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        He was very progressive by catholic standards
        He reintated dialogue woth other religions woth some rare ecumenic traditions. Gave some vote and new postions for womennever seen before but not all what was asked from him. He was very active durning the pandemic, more then offering prayers but offering real help. He was like “yes pray but do what the doctors say too”. Still he bailed out some fuckers but went hard on others so IDK, and also has some debatable past with the Argeninian dictatorship regime of the 70s.
        He tried to make the church more welcoming to all and less corrupt, you can have your opinions about it if worked or not but at leas was clearly different than his predecessors. This is a veedry boiled down version for sure if you want to have a better opinion there’s plenty on the internet to read about him.

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      God only knows he's grown farther from home, he's no father 
      He goes home and barely knows his own daughter
      But hold your nose 'cause here goes the cold water 
      These hoes don't want him no mo', he's cold product     
      They moved on to the next schmoe who flows 
      He nose-dove and sold nada, and so the soap opera 
      Is told, it unfolds, I suppose it's old, partner 
      But the beat goes on, da-da-dom, da-dom, dah-dah-dah-dah