Guess we should fear all snakes then! Or all sharks! That hasn’t lead to extreme fear based reactions where entire populations suffered because of fear due to a portion of the population being potentially dangerous.
The point about not knowing which one might be dangerous is a good point, but example is terrible. Use unsafe mechanical equipment or something instead.
I mean, pretty good advice to just treat all unknown snakes/sharks like possibly dangerous people. Give them a wide berth and try not to draw their attention. Look for a place to retreat to if things become more dangerous. Try to calmly alert others that leaving the area may be best.
I promise you I will always treat every shark like it might eat me (except the ones they let you play with at the aquarium, but there’s a sign there that says it’s okay.)
Dudes will queue to use unsafe mechanical equipment, while telling you “hold my beer”.
Set that beer on the unsafe mechanical equipment you damn amateurs!
Reminds me of when Donald Trump Jr. compared Syrian refugees to a bowl of M&Ms with some of them poisoned. Same argument, same mindset.
I think the point is that people who say (shout) “Not All Men” are usually frustratingly insensitive and the thought of throwing them into a snake pit is fun. We know it’s not all men, we aren’t stupid, but we also know that even 1% would be one percent too many to feel safe alone with a stranger (and, unfortunately, statistics suggest harassment is certainly more than 1%!).
Well, most people aren’t that stupid. There’s a few who are, but I don’t think they’d be posting here, lol.
That said, reading the comments, I get why some are offended even though being male is the privileged class in this comparison (after all, I don’t feel afraid to walk home at 1am). Men are fucked by the patriarchy, told to repress their emotions, degrade people who break from masculinity, and so forth. But instead of saying “you’re being sexist against men,” please try to think of the systemic problems that led to that X% of assholes who make it unsafe for a woman (or POC, LGBTQ, etc) to walk alone on a street in America.
after all, I don’t feel afraid to walk home at 1am
That is not because you are part of a “class”. It might be your fully personal thing, it depends on your previous experiences, it depends on where you live or go (and this can also be an expression of being in a privileged social class), etc.
Depending on where I go, I do not feel safe walking alone all the time. I do not consider being sexually assaulted among the possibilities, but instead perhaps being mugged, or be bothered by someone looking for trouble or wanting to feel “alpha male” (as someone who grew up in rough neighborhoods, this is way too common during teen years).
I really don’t understand where this idea that males have the privilege of going outside without ever worrying about anything comes from. I have seen it multiple times in discussions around this topic.
There can be multiple factors, we call it intersectionality. You’re feeling unsafe because of social class or nationality or another factor. That does not mean you do not benefit from being male in a world ultimately built around men. That’s why people use the term privilege, since you have at least one advantage (others could include health, straightness, etc). And fortunately it’s less of an advantage today than it was a hundred years ago.
And that’s not to say life is perfect under that category-- I literally just mentioned some men’s issues. I’m just not exactly worried about someone stalking or kidnapping me over it.
You’re feeling unsafe because of social class or nationality or another factor.
Not in this case. I just do not feel safe because crime exists, and I can become a victim roughly as much as anybody else (probably slightly less than an elder person, in some cases for example). Some other people might have additional worries (like being attacked for racial motives), of course.
That does not mean you do not benefit from being male in a world ultimately built around men.
Which is something I have never claimed. What I challenged is the view that such privilege materializes in being able to roam free and fearless everywhere and whenever.
I’m just not exactly worried about someone stalking or kidnapping me over it.
Of course, there might be a qualitative difference in which worries I have vs someone else, but the original comment suggested “not worrying”, which I find it absolutely unrealistic.
I heard it stated in a skit this way:
Person 1 “Not all men”
Person 2 “But enough of them”
Let’s do the usual exercise.
Person 1 “Not all Women”
Person 2 “But enough of them”
Wow, turns out you’re a sexist.
This doesn’t make sense as any kind of “gotcha.”
No, that’s not an invitation to explain it. This whole post is pointless and stupid rage-bait.
These are the kinds of mindless internet posts that have eroded our very society because it amplifies everyone’s voices equally, and not all voices are equal. There are TONS of people we wouldn’t listen to if we knew their agendas, their ages, their backgrounds or their investment in the topic.
So you’re doubling down on the sexism? Man, I wish I could tag users like I could on Reddit
It’s two different people
Didn’t we learn as children that stereotypes are bad and hurtful? Like why is this one an acceptable thing to lump all men together under the same group? The rhetoric rarely makes a distinction. It lazily doors not differentiate the different problem groups within that and stops at blanket statements that cover more people who aren’t the issues than are.
When you treat an entire gender as the enemy, stop being surprised when the young men are increasingly not acting like allies.
I don’t think that the original tweet is really getting at stereotypes, but rather pointing out how frustrating it must be to not know who’s going to be a scumbag and who is not.
It’s not all men, most certainly, yet chauvinism continues to be (an increasing) problem. One of the (very make dominated) places I worked had to put up signs that read looking versus leering: know the difference. I’m male, and I most certainly get the frustration after hearing more than a few first hand accounts about how women are routinely mistreated.
E: your boos mean nothing to me - I’ve seen what makes you cheer. Also some punctuation errors.
The original tweet is a response to people who are annoyed at being stereotyped. I get it. I have daughters I wish didn’t have to worry about this shit. But I also think we’re not addressing the problem the right way. It’s actually making the problem worse and isolating people enough that they fall to the sway of fascist propaganda.
If you take this same tweet and swap out men with [your minority racial/religious/gender group of your choice] it’ll probably get you banned in most communities here. But it’s about men (generalized) so it is for some reason allowed.
If you take this same tweet and swap out men with [your minority racial/religious/gender group of your choice] it’ll probably get you banned in most communities here. But it’s about men (generalized) so it is for some reason allowed.
“If you take criticism of aggressors and swap it out to criticize their victims instead, it pisses people off.”
No shit, Sherlock! That’s because aggressors are different than victims.
Is black man an aggressor or a victim?
Fuck off with your bad-faith ‘gotcha’ question.
You arguement has no logical foundation
You determine if the subject is a victim or the aggressor depending on what narrative you shilling at that time.
This is disingenuous post modern subjectivist bullshit
Cheers ;)
Bad faith is applying the same bad rhetoric/logic to two groups and acting like it’s perfectly fine and reasonable in one instance but really awful in the other. Especially if one group is literally a subset of the other.
It’s not a “gotcha”, it’s an attempt to make you realize what you’re doing. “Men” as a group aren’t “the agressor”, neither are “black men”. Prejudice is bad, universally. No exceptions.
I’m going to ignore the most heinous aspects of this and just say, I’d love to be introduced to a variety of venomous and non-venomous snakes and would likely find it to be a pretty cool experience. Snakes are neat and the venomous ones are often beautiful and fascinating.
Have some empathy for the large amount of regular dudes that wouldn’t hurt a fly but constantly get lobbed in with rapists and pedos.
This comment section is amazing. Good job all
That’s snakist.
So we’re fixing the division along gender lines by becoming… more divided?
Feels like the insinuation here is that, as a woman, it’s acceptable to base your personality on men as long as you believe all men base their personalities on hating women.
Maybe just accept that humans are complicated and nuanced and you can’t judge an entire gender based on the actions of the worst members of that gender.
You’re baiting them again, @Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net.
I love nibbling on the bait!
Oh good, there’s one person I can block for this ragebait to disappear.
I’m a master baiter
I’m just reading this thread and finding it hilarious how many are triggered by this. The post isn’t even saying “all men” do anything, it’s specifically pointing out a small subset of men.
I like to think about Lemmy comments as coming from 30 of my closest autistic friends.
That’d work until you happen to get a reptile enthusiast on the show that can recognize the species, at which point you just have a show of a guy completely missing the point whilst nerding out over snakes.
I would watch that show. 😉
Not a reptile enthusiast, but knowledgeable enough to know a few things about them.
A well fed snake, hell most snakes (not all, some constrictors you don’t want to fuck with) won’t see a human as food, and won’t attack unless provoked. Don’t sneak up on a snake, don’t step on a snake, don’t harass a snake and it won’t give 2 fucks about your presence.
A venomous snake usually (there’s always an exception) has a “neck”, if you can see where it’s head ends and it’s body begins it’s more likely venomous than it’s danger noodle looking counterpart.
There are a lot of exceptions. Most of them, as it happens.
Vipers have that “neck” and a wider head than their bodies. Elapids typically don’t, and can be extremely venomous. In fact, the most deadly venomous snakes in the world are elapids including cobras, taipans, and black mambas.
Tl;dr: Rarely wise to step on snek.
it’s not only unwise to step on snakes, it’s also rude. which is worse
that rule has so many exceptions that it’s better to assume they are all dangerous
If red touches black, you’re ok, Jack.
If red touches yellow, you’re a dead fellow.
This aphorism only works in North America, but it is a pretty reliable way to determine the difference between a coral snake… and a milk snake, also many other kinds of similar looking, non venomous snakes.
You may note that the milk snake has a bit more of a defined neck, head vs body seperation, than the venomous coral snake… which … would mean if you followed your rule, you may end up a dead fellow.
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Now… many, venomous snakes make some kind of an alert sound, a hiss or rattle or someother bodily mechanism of saying ‘back the fuck up’.
But not all of them.
… and a great many venomous snakes… well they hide in the shrubbery and tall grasses, meaning you can easily accidentally come upon one if you’re moving through brushland, or a wetland…
You’re right that you should never intentionally sneak up on a snake… but… it is usually more like accidentally happen to be too close to one, hear the alert sound, waaay too close to be comfortable… and then you fucking freeze, try to figure out where exactly it is by your ears alone, and then very, very slowly back away untill you can’t hear the rattle anymore.
At least thats what I did when that happened to me, and I lived, to insufferably recount the tale as I am now, lol.
There’s… only one kind of rattlesnake in Eastern Washington state.
And it is venomous.
Say hello to my missed connection:
But hey, your ‘does it have a neck’ rule works for this one!
Too bad I never saw it, at all… its got pretty good camoflauge for the one to two feet tall grasses and shrubs it resides in.
Snake bites are of course, overall, a very uncommon thing for most people to be worried about… but if you are regularly involved in some kind of outdoor activity, or just kinda live out in the sticks, or are renting an AirBnB out there… you should probably familiarize yourself with the local wildlife.
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As a final note, I am not any kind of snake expert at all.
But I do know that if you are, then the actual word for that is… Herpetologist. Expert in Herpetology.
Consult your local Herpetologist before you derp around in the badlands, lol.
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EDIT: Final addendum: Female snakes often tend be considerably more pissy, apt to warn and stike, when they are in heat.
I would like to nerd out over snakes please
Count me in!
It’s a trap fellas! Playing with snakes is gay so you get boned whichever way you answer.
Trouser snake!
I understand the problem people have with men and more specifically toxic masculinity, but this gender wars bullshit only serves to further separate people. What’s the purpose of saying “men are rapists” or “men are violent”? It’s fine in the context of venting/talking with people facing similar problems, but because it entirely misses the sociological causes, it can cause people come to incorrect conclusions like “kill all men” or “all men are inherently bad because…” which essentialises their gender.
Men aren’t inherently bad. It’s patriarchy and toxic masculinity that you should be upset at - two sides of the same coin, really.
men aren’t inherently bad… Etc.
Looks like you understand the intent of the original tweet.
Not all men - but some men - and we (other men) need to start calling our the Tater-tots and the like
Why not say that instead of using needlessly divisive blanket statements?
On the other hand, calling out random assholes is a good way to get punched in the face, especially as a man. People aren’t grossly misbehaving because they accidentally forgot their manners at home that evening.
Sure. After all the big religions start weeding out shitty members at every single level. Youd get rid of a lot of rapists that way.
There’s no progressive form of sexism
Except calling people incels for disagreeing with you
Better than an orangutan fucking an onion.
Love is love
Except calling people incels for disagreeing with you
Sounds like something an incel would say.
