• EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com
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    26 days ago

    I’ve been told that my only job is to go home at night.

    And yet simply withdrawing from a benign situation rather than escalating it to the point of violence seems to be beyond their grasp.

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        Oh that’s exactly what they do, it’s just that their training is to de-escalate by shooting first and sorting it all out later.

        Going home at night is paramount to being a peace officer after all.

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        Apparently, when women first started as police officers, in the UK, they were paired up with male officers. The logic being that the man can provide muscle, if needed.

        It’s now been found that 2 women officers are far more effective, particularly with drunk men. A male officer can restrain them. A female officer can talk them into coming quietly.

        Oh, and the UK police were the first to “raise concerns” when the government suggested arming beat officers with guns. They did NOT want to be armed.

        Basically, it’s perfectly possible to police primarily by consent, and get the job done.

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    26 days ago

    pretty sure i read somewhere that if you excel in the academic portion of the academy youre disqualified for being too smart under the guise of some other excuse. critical thinking isnt something they want in the force.

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    If your only job is to go home at night, clock in, go home, clock out again later. If you think about it, by deliberately not doing your job as a cop, fewer people are getting killed.

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    I can’t recall if it was in the Behind the Police miniseries or a more regular Behind the Bastards episode, but there was a breakdown of how even once you’ve completed the police academy, you have to train for a year (IIRC) under a training officer, and if the TO thinks you’re not cut out for the force, you are not permanently hired, and other forces will probably not give you a chance. TOs, by the bye, are typically drawn from officers who have been taken off normal duty due to numerous complaints, like the ones made by people who have been harassed or assaulted by cops.

    It’s not just the academy, the whole system selects for bastards.

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      A year, lol. Most places have you on the street within a month of being hired, and you are placed with something called a field training officer, FTO. Any will laugh you out of the area as a poser if you’re trying to infiltrate their social lives to gather intel to use if you use TO. The field training phase lasts for 4 months at most. Cops cycle in and out of the job so fast they would never be able to afford a full year of training.

      They also don’t use cops who have had tons of complaints. Those get given desk duty. The field trainers are the ones who know how to ‘write good,’ so they can criticize the reports that the rookies write. The rookies, mind you, are given all the shit cases that the others don’t want to work on, allegedly so the rookies can get experience in writing a bunch of different reports.

      The bit about other departments not giving you a chance if you’re failed from a training phase is mostly true, but remember that the whole ‘desperate for new cops’ thing means the small places will hire you if you can breathe without wheezing, and sometimes even if you get out of breath walking to the donut store counter.

      Remember kids, knowing is half the battle! don’t use this info in casual conversation to shmooze a cop you meet at the bar or a party to pick up details on their agency >.> <.<

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      Interesting. So no more will I advocate for:

      “PEB”

      (Policing Enables Bastards)

      Nor the too distracting “ALL CAB” (“wait but only sith…”)

      But the “select” language, seems powerful if can be backed up across many sources

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    I had a friend who went through a whole arc of wanting to be a cop. She had pretty much an identical experience I had to squint at the name and photo to be sure this wasn’t a post she had made.

    Being a woman was a huge setback from the get-go anyway, casual police brutality training notwithstanding.

    She never quite got my criticism of wanting to be a cop (She wanted to fix policing by example) nor my lack of surprise when she spent a year wasting her time being tested and strung along by cops who were never going to hire her. (You have a master’s degree FFS! You’re not what they’re looking for!)

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      (She wanted to fix policing by example)

      Might be possible to whistleblow against one corrupt officer if you play dumb until getting hired? Which would be an acceptable use of time for some, though perhaps (or “super likely”, w/e) activism elsewhere has greater ROI

      Edit: hey scale this up. Every Lemming plays dumb and gets hired. We each report one rotten apple. Wouldn’t this at least annoy some sleaze out there and cause a very slight delay as they reshuffle their cops?

      (Obvy you need a despicable crime on video and luck etc)

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        We had this in our local, small town police department. Female police officer spoke up and blew the whistle on somebody that was accepting BJ’s to let tickets slide.

        The department “downsized”, let her go, then re-upsized to hire a different person back. Then they said her allegations were just in retaliation for being let go. Then she sued for wrongful termination and I THINK she ended up winning.

        I might have some of the details mixed up cause this was all going down JUST as I was moving into the town.

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          Wow, I hope she won.

          “Policing Selects Bastards” reaffirmed then. As an optimist I have to believe that at any given time at least 1/1000 of 1% of officers* are in the midst of being dismissed for whistleblowing. “ACAB” includes whistleblowers so “Policing Selects Bastards” keeps me on their side.

          *(math = 7.2 officers in the US, but I mean to say at least one officer is in limbo for whistleblowing, and yeah I’m too literal but 🤷‍♂️ )

          PSB!

          Edit: btw that lady sounds [temporarily] DISRUPTIVE to their badge-shielded crime, neat

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    Meanwhile they also teach them next to nothing about, nor verify their understanding of the laws they will be tasked with enforcing, and many absolutely do not understand the law at all.

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      I remember hearing this. Seems the smarter you are, the more likely you are of realizing something doesn’t seem right and chances of quitting increase.

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      Meanwhile they also teach them next to nothing about, nor verify their understanding of the laws they will be tasked with enforcing, and many absolutely do not understand the law at all.

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    Which is why I will continue to tell people to ensure that the police et al (including ICE) don’t get to go home at night, if they get in the way of democracy.

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    They do this with teachers too, selecting only the subservient and weeding out the critical thinkers.

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    I went to a technical college that had a police training program. Technical colleges sometimes have the reputation of being glorified high schools. That’s mostly unfair, but there were three guys in some of my classes who were determined to make it that way. Give you one guess as to what program they were in.

    I wouldn’t trust those three to be security guards at a shopping mall.