I only have this to say: Fuck the sky pollution. Starlink has been ruining stargazing and star photography and Elon lied about its impact. He claimed they would be invisible with his amazing paint but they’re still visible and fuck it up for people who enjoy watching the stars.
I see them all the time without a camera. They are bright as the stars when they pass over.
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If you think ruining stargazing is the biggest problem, don’t look up Satellite Collision Cascades
The fucking muskrat is going to lock us down to Earth and make launches too dangerous due to debris fields
And all of you are just complaining about artificial light
Well I don’t see myself going to space any time soon. But I do see myself watching the nightsky a lot.
You’re right though. It’s another thing he doesn’t care about.
It’s important that we think of future generations, statistically this cascade could easily happen in our lifetimes
They are low enough that it’d probably fix itself over time. It’d be a big problem, but I feel comming generations have bigger ones.
Ok well I have aerospace engineering friends that disagree, and if those quiet mousy guys are panicking then I think they may be on to something
Oh, I mean, it would be bad, even if it “just” meant no/unsafe launches and no LEO for X months/years. I just kinda feels it pales compared to the climate related problems coming generations are likely to face.
… an ablative cascade would destroy nearly every satellite and would render ALL launches russian roulette with 5 chambers filled, and it would last for centuries.
I really have no idea where you are getting your numbers from but there’s ALREADY enough high velocity mass to make LEO a minefield for generations and we’re not stopping launching.
Starlink satellites are in low earth orbit and deorbit naturally after a few years because of the small amounts of escaping atmosphere slowing them down. A collision cascade can’t really happen because it’s a fundamentally decaying orbit.
At least, there’s no risk of lasting orbital debris, at the cost of the satellites having a much shorter lifespan.
I have aerospace engineering friends that disagree, but I’m sure your wikipedia university degree is useful somewhere
Ablative cascades have more than enough energy to kick debris fields up orbit as impact velocities can hit 10 kilometers a second
JSYK that kind of energy can punch a paint flake through a quarter inch of titanium
… Well, fortunately, I don’t manage satellite deployments, but your friends are welcome to tell NASA that their aerospace engineers are actually wrong and need to stop SpaceX before they ground humanity. I’m sure they would love to hear it.
The fucking NASA scientist that came up with this scenario is Donald Kessler, it is literally named after him
They have been warning about this since before you were born.
Why are you so fundamentally resistant to truth?
Really playing to your username, eh. I am familiar with Kessler Syndrome. You’ll note that the most important aspect of said event, is the height, at which objects orbit, as that determines how long it takes for it to deorbit. The level of risk declines precipitously the closer to the earth the orbit is, and even if there was a catastrophic cascade at the height Starlink orbits, it would clear after a few years at most.
Impact ejection can cause eccentric orbits, but at that height, those deorbit even faster.
Fortunately, the very clever scientists at NASA have long since determined that there is essentially no risk from Starlink and similar satellite constellations, because they’ve been paying attention to this since before I was born.
Fortunately, the very clever scientists at NASA have long since determined that there is essentially no risk from Starlink and similar satellite constellations,
That is patently not true to the point that it is effectively a lie
https://interestingengineering.com/innovation/nasa-starlink-warning
This entire discussion you have been intellectually dishonest and using propaganda talking points. You are no longer welcome on my internet.
Strange, I’ve downloaded almost 6TiB over the last month so far and my bill is still $120/mo.
EDIT: This appears to be for global priority customers (movable dish between addresses, on boats, etc) and seems to be because he’s increasing his data cap by choice, not because rates are actually getting hiked. Us normal residential customers are the same as always. Fuck Musk anyway, but this one seems to be a non-issue.
exactly, this post is ragebait
global priority customers (movable dish between addresses, on boats, etc)
Because of-fucking-course anybody who wants to buy and live aboard a cheap (easily $50k or less) old sailboat instead of paying rent forever or grinding for a $500K house is a “rich yacht owner” who can obviously afford $1000/month Internet. And have their home sunk by orcas while we’re at it, because why not?
Just when I thought I had a viable plan to escape this shithole consumer trap of a country, the Internet service I would need to do it not only ends up being run by a goddamn Nazi, but they also jack up the price on that use-case.
First, screw Musk. Second, you would only need this level of satellite internet service for your boat if you want to be able to use full broadband speed with over 1TB of transfer in the middle of the ocean far away from terrestrial cellular networks. If you really need full broadband speeds in the middle of the ocean and you only need 50GB of it a month its only $250/month.
If you’re at a boat dock you likely have wifi available or even just anchored close to land you can likely just tether your mobile phone.
Second, you would only need this level of satellite internet service for your boat if you want to be able to use full broadband speed with over 1TB of transfer in the middle of the ocean far away from terrestrial cellular networks.
Well, the ideal goal would be to be able to do things like work remotely and keep my kids entertained while circumnavigating, so yeah.
I’m not a boat person but it feels like you’ve got conflicting ideas about whats possible. You said:
Because of-fucking-course anybody who wants to buy and live aboard a cheap (easily $50k or less) old sailboat instead of paying rent forever
…and…
the ideal goal would be to be able to do things like work remotely and keep my kids entertained while circumnavigating
I don’t think you’re going to find a $50k boat you can buy (and maintain!) that can house four people comfortably for transoceanic cruises while also affording you the ability to work a full time job from the boat. I would think you’re looking at a MUCH larger boat, possibly with some full time crew to accomplish that, and at that point $1k a month for global high speed low latency internet is probably a a small fraction of your monthly expenses.
I’m talking about a monohull in the 40’-50’ range (e.g. this), which I believe would be… “very cosy”… but not completely implausible for two adults and two small kids who can share a bunk.
Admittedly my dream boat would be a 35’-40’ catamaran (e.g. this), which would be way more spacious and comfortable, but they’re not only way more expensive but also come up for sale on the used market way less often.
Anyway, even in the latter case where you’re talking about more money, you’re still not talking about anywhere near “full time crew and $1000/month internet” money!
I’m just going with an Iridium for calls and short texts. I save up all the bigger missives for when I hit wifi. That doesn’t work for most work situations I think.
work remotely and keep my kids entertained while circumnavigating
FWIW depending on your work you can do a lot of that on the cheap, namely if you work is not heavy bandwidth or latency dependent, code and voice do not take much. You can get a lot of resources offline too, e.g. Wikipedia, Stackoverflow, etc in a convenient package with Kiwix. Download this at the port or prior to the legs of the trip where you don’t expect to have good connectivity then update at the next point. It’s honestly a matter of hours at most. I do it before every trip and it gets easier every time.
My suggestion anyway for kids entertainment is also offline entertainment, e.g. GCompris but even content. Again you can put Wikipedia from Kiwix on your then local WiFi (no Internet, just all devices on the boat) with a small RPi Zero (low energy consumption) with a 1TB microSD card (so cheap now!) but also a media server with all the videos you want from Internet Archive. There is a TON of content. Once there they can watch with any media player that supports network play, e.g VLC or mplayer.
TL;DR: 1TB from the middle of nowhere on the cheap is indeed tricky but 1TB from a good connection THEN go offline is actually both very easy and more than enough to be entertained for months, if not decades with e.g. Gutenberg project!
Look into a low-power server for your boat, try to host as much of you can locally. I’m pretty sure you could fill mot entertainment needs that way, and ‘top up’ your content via terrestrial Internet when you resupply.
Then it kinda depends on what you need for work. Upload/download code snippets? Video conferencing all day every day? There’s like a big span for the bandwidth you might need.
First of all, I agree that’s good advice and I appreciate you for offering it.
That said, I was really just trying to make a “rant about how Musk/Starlink sucks” comment (and to a lesser extent, a “people think everybody with a boat is wealthy but you’d be surprised how often they’re not” comment), not a “please solve my problem” comment.
Also, it’s a hypothetical future plan, not my current lifestyle.
Well, now that we all collectively solved that problem, you gotta go and buy a boat.
Look into Eutelsat. I’ve heard mention recently that they’re expanding as a viable starlink competitor. I have no direct knowledge, but maybe they’d cover your needs cheaper.
Amazon is launching a competing service on its own satelites.
Maybe they’ll collide with each other.
That would be marvelous
I dont think he meant Kessler syndrome would be amazing. I think he is saying it would be amazing if a spacex rocket and a amazon rocket ran into each other.
I agree, he didn’t. I don’t get what you’re trying to say though?
He said a crash would be amazing and I contextualized that there’d be grave consequences if that happened, so it probably wouldn’t be that amazing.
Like a train crash. You can’t look away, and if the only co sequences were that musk and bezos lost money, looked stupid, and everyone else got a pretty fireworks show, it WOULD be amazing. Additional consequences do put a damper on that though.
Probably, and well be forever imprisoned on the planet in that scenario because we won’t be able to launch anything for a long long time again.
Maybe we just need stronger spacecraft. I look forward to a future where every trip to space goes through the trash zone where you hear the continuous pattering of small satellites smashing against the hull.
Fortunately, they’re all pretty low orbit, so it isn’t super permanent…
It’s also not as if we can’t launch spacecrafts at all, as long as your destination is high orbit the chances of collision are low.
Those LEO satellites don’t even stay 10 years in orbit without additional orbital maneuvers. It’s not forever.
It’ll act like nuclear fission in a reactor. Once a critical point is reached where a few satellites collide, their debris will spread and cause cascading collisions with other satellites. Some of that debris will quickly fall out of orbit but it may take hundreds of years for the rest to deorbit.
Is it not possible that an impact at LEO could send debris into higher orbit potentially hitting more satellites?
Not likely. Gravity is pulling it all in all the time.
LEOs are at 500km.
GPS are at 26,000km.
GEOs are 35-40,000 km.
You could end up with some elliptical orbits that send debris through those layers. But they would also likely make that debris more likely to enter the atmosphere when they come back down. Plus, the higher the orbit, the more space available in total in that orbit, so the lower the chance of a collision.
Came here to say this in a way clunkier fashion. The orbit levels aren’t even in the same neighborhood.
Yes, but…
So the most basic way orbits work, the faster you go, the higher your orbit. Any collision has to conserve momentum, so any collision will be a net deceleration.
There WILL be things that get ejected at higher velocity, but most would cause the orbit to decay instead.
Also, while there are thousands of satellites up there, they really aren’t very close to one another.
You’d need to put a LOT of really small pieces of debris, like a shuttle exploding, to cause them to spread over LEO to a point where the random collisions really out things under threat.
It’s possible of course. But Starlink satellites orbit at around 500 km and LEO ends at 2000km. It requires a significant amount of energy to push things from 500km high out of LEO. And even if debris flies out of LEO it will still come down to lower orbits and get affected by drag since it doesn’t orbit in a perfect circle. If the debris hits satellites in higher orbit it will most likely be satellites that are in LEO as well and thus still be affected by orbital decay. The higher things are in LEO the longer it takes to come down, but it’s still not forever.
Decay times grow very quickly though. At 500km altitude a debris falls back in a few months up to a couple of years, but at 800km you are looking at centuries.
Maybe that forces ppl to actually care about climate change…
Good
Upside to that is it ensures the billionaires can’t escape and are stuck here with the rest of us who are getting increasingly angry.
Maybe with enough space junk we can reflect enough sunlight to stave off global warming.
We already had undersea mashed potato billionaire, I bet space mashed potato billionaire tastes much better.
If you’re sick of funding billionaire douchebags, Telsat (formerly Telsat Canada, a Canadian crown corporation and responsible for the first communications satellite Anik-A1 in 1972) will be live with Telsat Lightspeed in 2026. Faster, better, and far more ethical.
Ooh, I love rushing towards Kessler Syndrome.
These satellites are generally in a pretty low orbit to keep latency down. They’ll all eventually reenter once they run out of fuel.
We’re trying to speed run it, any%.
Nah, we’re going straight for the 100% speed run
im not gonna lie. I halluecenated. and thought the title said “let them eat shit”
seems appropriate, still
Starlink is out again. I figured this is how it would end up.
Grifter gonna grift…
good ol’ bait and switch
Oof, my current data consumption for the past 30 days is 1.2 TB on buttery smooth 1Gb fiber. I can’t imagine being bound to 500 GB like is the 2007 dark ages.
I haven’t thought about a data cap in years once I was lucky enough to get fiber in my house.
Same as you: symmetrical 1gbps up and down, baby.
You only get capped if you on one of the lite or priority tariffs.
Lite is fair, you paying less so you get less, not everybody needs a huge data allowance especially if its a backup or other infrequently used service.
Priority is where it gets squirrelly. You only really need priority if you in a high density area for starlink as you will get throttled, but you don’t really need priority if you aren’t unless you absolutely need to rinse the performance all the time. I typically get about 200mb down and 25mb up, but this can drop to 80mb and 10mb during peak times.
This isn’t the end of the world for me as being able to access high speed internet anywhere, even on a boat is the most important thing. Sure I would like the sync 1gb I have at home while out, but its more than enough when I am away from home in the middle of nowhere.
Obviously I would rather not use starlink at all because fuck Musk and fuck the way the starlink sats are in low orbit for star gazing, but I do not have anything remotely comparable for even his inflated prices.
People always say use 4G or 5G, when I often dont even get 2G and I am reliant on wifi calling via the starlink. I have a proper external 4G antenna and its still shit when properly in the middle of nowhere.
What I think is crazy: at your 1 gigabit per second speed, if you use your full speed for only 3 hours you will go over your data limit. For the month.
Rage bait. It doesn’t show his data consumption. How much data did he consume that month and what plan does he have?
You know, I might give you a little bit of leeway there, but don’t you think the price increase is substantial?
Bro, a thousand dollars a month for consumer internet? This ain’t 2007 anymore, these days you can absolutely demolish 100 GB like nothing with a family using a streaming service.
My Skyrim data file alone is like 120 GB.
exactly. But one thing is using fiber, other thing is using satellite - that’s why knowing the data consumption matters.
I do that by myself in like 2-3 days of light torrenting. I got a TB in a weekend more than once.
1tb in this day? I cango through that in one week
No that plan said monthly data amount. So 1tb/mo is 1kusd
“in this day” I presume means “in this day & age”.
Like “it’s 2025, 1tb of data is trivial”Oh I misread your comment as “1tb in one day?”
That’s why the data consumption matters. Satellite internet is a premium service. This is just rage bait.
Not sure why his current consumption matters. Those prices are worse than 2010 3G.
Not sure how star link is going to stay in business if this is what they’re going to start doing…
Of course it matters, it’s satellite internet! It’s not fiber! Satellite internet is a premium service!
So fancy!
Oh, now it’s worse than every satellite internet company I know. Shame I recommended it to someone because I thought it would be reliable and remain cheap.
These are the prices and data I see. I currently have the $10 plan.
I think I found the answer. When I checked Starlink’s site, those prices plans match up with the personal plans, but it appears that the user in the screenshot has a business plan.
Screenshots should be the Business Local Priority & Global Priority pricing respectively. My prices might be different than the original screenshot (I’m in Canada and I’m not sure how they localize pricing), but the data amounts seems to line up with the selections in the screenshot.
Damn, maybe you should move to a radical leftist city where fiber internet is $50 a month.
Us lucky fiber users, I can get 8gig symmetrical for $300 and 2 gig for $75 a month. Still nothing like other non American countries but damn do I have it good for living here.
Try 10€.
Flat fee of ~€70 to connect and then free for as long as I live in this apartment. 1000/1000 speeds as well, pretty sick honestly
Where?
I pay €18 for 250/100, of course unlimited data, and the company has no tracking and fully supports privacy etc. their main servers are based in the old cave where the pirate bay used to have theirs. It also comes with a great VPN, ID security and antivirus from f-secure (not that I use it since I’m on linux). And they just opened a datacenter inside an old war bunker in my city, with this description: “Freedom of communication and the virtual world need to withstand both Russian bombs and Donald Trump’s Cloud Act. This industrial bunker is built for just that.” In Sweden, if you hadn’t guessed.
We pay 4.58€ for 1gbit/1gbit fiber in our condo association in Sweden…
If only I could immigrate. Know any single swedes looking for a spouse?
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how is this better? the twitter guy is ordering a TB not a GB
That gigabit per second, without any datacap.
Twitter guy is ordering 1000 gigabyte worth of data, or slightly over 2 hours of internet in Sweden at full speed.
why is everyone dropping the “per second” part
Because gigabytes (GB) are units of storage capacity, and gigabits (Gb) are units of data transfer rate.
It’s implied it’s gigabits per second, as no one ever really measures it in like… Gigabits per hour, or year.
13-18€ for 1gig/1gig in Copenhagen is the going rate
I live in a rural area. We were thinking about starlink a few years ago, then fiber came to our area. Thank goodness. We’ve literally had no issues, speeds are amazing, and no price hikes.
Fibre is racist and woke, that’s what tramp said at least.
Given his steady diet of hamberders, I’m sure he does think fiber is woke
Hahahah
He love the uneducated.
He sure do… I mean, this can come off as a elitist by saying this, but you have to remember, Yankees live in their own shit and piss. They choose to be ignorant. They choose to be unsophisticated. They choose to look stupid on the world stage. We have every bit that we need to have a great society. We are a nation of idolaters. We worship idols. We are a nation of cults, just like an empire. Empires are filled with cults. We are an empty vessel of lesser things. A pit of despair for some. A Nation of extremes, peaks and valleys of exponential excrement.
I’m super jealous. I’m out here in Western Maryland and I’d be happy to see us get plain old telephone service.
I am unsurprised. I thought it would take longer for it to become outrageously priced, but here we are. this specific pricing is extra crazy IMO.
In any case, I scoffed at the pricing when it was almost reasonable during their trial phases… Back then IIRC it was like $100-150 usd/mo. or something… That’s too much for me already. Seems like they’ve previously increased it to around $200-300 and now they’ve lost their damn minds.
Star link was never economically sensible, price hikes were inevitable. There’s just too few people in their target audience and too many satellites that are simply too costly to maintain at the levels they previously had. I hoped, for the sake of anyone who required starlink for a reasonable Internet connection speed, that the business plans and corporate users would shoulder most of the cost, but here we are.
I think it’s between $120 a month for home use and $165 a month for RV / travel use.
If I go to the website right now, I see $189 for the “roam” plan.
Your numbers seem off.
Regardless, my comments are based on the image in the OP
My numbers are from my Starlink app.
