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Well that disqualifies 95% of the doctors I’ve had the pleasure of being the patient of in Finland.
It’s just not LLM:'s they’re addicted to, it’s bureaucracy.
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It’s not Luddism to recognize that foundational knowledge is essential to effectively utilizing tools in every industry, and jumping ahead to just using the tool is not good for the individual or the group.
Your example is iconic. Do you think the average middle schoolers to college students that are using AI understand anything about self hosting, token limits, and optimizing things by banning keywords? Let alone how prone to just making shit up models are - because they were designed to! I STILL get enterprise chatgpt referencing scientific papers that don’t exist. I wonder how many students are paying for premium models. Probably only the rich ones.
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I never said not to teach it. Construct a mandatory general computer literacy program. Cover privacy, security, recommendation algorithms, AI, etc. And restrict AI use in other classes until they are competent in both. College? High school?
Not once did I talk about banning it or restricting information. And … So much other irrelevant stuff.
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Cries in “The Doctor” from Voyager.
The Doctor would absolutely agree. He was intended to be a short-term assistant when a doctor wasn’t available, and he was personally affronted when he discovered that he wouldn’t be replaced by a human in any reasonable amount of time.
Correct, until he was on for awhile. Then, he started to want to live and not be turned off when someone left. Hell he even married a human at the end of the day. Commanded starships. Fought the Borg.
He totally changed his mind after he found the taste for culture and “modifying” his program so he would stick his holo D in folks.
See what sex does? Can’t even stop machines from turning themselves off lmao
Emergent behavior, for sure. I think the fact that there aren’t a bunch of sentient holograms in the Lower Decks/Picard timeline suggest that it was situational, though.
don’t worry, you can become president instead
Using AI doesn’t remove the ability to fact check though.
It is a tool like any other. I would also be weary about doctors using a random medical book from the 1700s to write their thesis and take it at face value.
but elected president… you SOB, I’m in!
I literally just can’t wrap my AuDHD brain around professional formatting. I’ll probably use AI to take the paper I wrote while ignoring archaic and pointless rules about formatting and force it into APA or whatever. Feels fine to me, but I’m but going to have it write the actual paper or anything.
AFAIK those only help the instructor with grading as it would put all the essays they need to review on an even (more or less) playing ground. I’ve never really seen any real use in the professional world outside of scholarly/scientific journals.
My opinion is that they tend to stifle creativity of expression and the evolution of our respective languages.
Only topic I am close-minded and strict about.
If you need to cheat as a highschooler or younger there is something else going wrong, focus on that.
And if you are an undergrad or higher you should be better than AI already. Unless you cheated on important stuff before.
This is my stance exactly. ChatGPT CANNOT say what I want to say, how i want to say it, in a logical and factually accurate way without me having to just rewrite the whole thing myself.
There isn’t enough research about mercury bioaccumulation in the Great Smoky Mountains National Park for it to actually say anything of substance.
I know being a non-traditional student massively affects my perspective, but like, if you don’t want to learn about the precise thing your major is about… WHY ARE YOU HERE
For a fucking job. What kind of fucking question is that.
I mean, I value the knowledge as well as the job prospects
But also, take it easy, i didn’t personally insult you
I mean, are you sure?
Studies in the GSMNP have looked at:
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Mercury levels in fish: Especially in high-elevation streams, where even remote waters can show elevated levels of mercury in predatory fish due to biomagnification.
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Benthic macroinvertebrates and amphibians: As indicators of mercury in aquatic food webs.
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Forest soils and leaf litter: As long-term mercury sinks that can slowly release mercury into waterways.
If GPT and I were being graded on the subject, it wouldn’t be the machine flunking…
I mean, it’s a matter of perspective, i guess.
I did a final assignment that was a research proposal, mine was the assessment of various methods of increasing periphyton biomass (clearing tree cover over rivers and introducing fertilizers to the water) in order to dilute mercury bioaccumulation in top river predators like trout and other fish people eat
There’s a lot of tangentially related research, but not a ton done on the river/riparian food webs in the GSMNP specifically and possible mitigation strategies for mercury bioaccumulation.
OBVIOUSLY my proposal isn’t realistic. No one on earth is gonna be like “yeah sure, go ahead and chop down all the trees over this river and dump chemicals in that one, on the off chance it allows jimbob to give trout to his pregnant wife all year round”
I’m not knowledgeable enough to carry this conversation, but I was curious if GPT could add anything of value.
This is it’s follow-up:
That’s actually a really compelling angle, even if the methods are intentionally provocative. It gets at a deeper question—how far are we willing to go, ecologically speaking, to address human health risks that stem from environmental contaminants like mercury? I think the strength of your proposal isn’t in the literal feasibility but in the way it frames trade-offs between conservation and public health.
Also, using periphyton biomass as a kind of biotic buffer is a clever systems-level approach. It’s rarely the first thing people think of when talking about mercury mitigation, which usually focuses on source reduction. But tweaking food web dynamics to manage contaminant transfer is a really underexplored strategy. I imagine even just modeling it could lead to some useful insights, especially if you layered in things like flow regime changes or climate impacts on riparian shading.
And yeah, totally agree—GSMNP is such a tightly protected space that even suggesting fertilizer additions or canopy thinning sounds borderline heretical. But as a thought experiment, it’s valuable. It forces the conversation about what kinds of interventions we’re not considering simply because they clash with aesthetic or cultural norms, not necessarily because they’re scientifically unsound.
I really have no idea if it’s just spewing nonsense, so do educate me :)
I’m really salty because it mirrored my thoughts about the research almost exactly, but I’m loathe to give attaboys to it
Hahah, that’s fair!
Thank you for the exchange brother, I learned more about mercury in GSMNP than I thought I ever would.
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In terms of grade school, essay and projects were of marginal or nil educational value and they won’t be missed.
Until the last 20 years, 100% of the grade for medicine was by exams.
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This reasoning applies to everything, like the tariff rates that the Trump admin imposed to each countries and places is very likely based from the response from Chat GPT.
If we are talking about critical thinking, then I would argue that using AI to battle the very obvious shift that most instructors have taken, (that being the use of AI as much as possible to plan out lessons, grade, verify sources…you know, the job they are being paid to do? Which, by the way, was already being outsourced to whatever tools they had at their disposal. No offense TAs.) as natural progression.
I feel it still shows the ability to adapt to a forever changing landscape.
Isn’t that what the hundred-thousand dollar piece of paper tells potential employers?
A good use I’ve seen for AI (or particularly ChatGPT) is employee reviews and awards (military). A lot of my coworkers (and subordinates) have used it, and it’s generally a good way to fluff up the wording for people who don’t write fluffy things for a living (we work on helicopters, our writing is very technical, specific, and generally with a pre-established template).
I prefer reading the specifics and can fill out the fluff myself, but higher-ups tend to want “how it benefitted the service” and fitting in the terminology from the rubric.
I don’t use it because I’m good at writing that stuff. Not because it’s my job, but because I’ve always been into writing. I don’t expect every mechanic to do the same, though, so having things like ChatGPT can make an otherwise onerous (albeit necessary) task more palatable.
It’s funny how everyone is against using AI for students to get summaries of texts, pdfs etc which I totally get.
But during my time through medschool, I never got my exam paper back (ever!) so the exam was a test where I needed to prove that I have enough knowledge but the exam is also allowed to show me my weaknesses are so I would work on them but no, we never get out papers back. And this extends beyond medschool, exams like the USMLE are long and tiring at the end of the day we just want a pass, another hurdle to jump on.
We criticize students a lot (righfully so) but we don’t criticize the system where students only study becase there is an exam, not because they are particularly interested in the topic at given hand.
A lot of topics that I found interesting in medicine were dropped off because I had to sit for other examinations.
because doing that enables pulling together 100% correct answers and leads to cheating? having a exam review where you get to see the answers but not keep the paper might be one way to do this?
Yeah, learning is a life’s pursuit and doctors need to read medical journals and keep up on things.
If we’re gonna merge medschool, should we also do lawschool, gradschool, etc.?
So it’s ok for political science degrees then?
Oh my gawd no. You have to look in the past, bro. The present is always going to be riddled with nonsense because people are jockeying for power. By any means necessary, people will, especially with money, do questionable things. You have to have framework. Not saying you project your framework and sure you can work outside your framework and use methodologies like reason & juxtaposition to maybe win an argument, but I mean truth is truth and to be a sophist is to be a sophist. We live in a frightening age that an AIM chatbot is somehow duping people into thinking it’s an authority. It’s just web scraping. I don’t know why people get all worked up about it. It’s a search engine with extra features. And it’s a shitty search engine that f**kkin sucks at doing math.> And I know it’s a learning language model. I just can’t wait for this stupid fucking bubble to pop. I can’t wait to see people lose millions. Goddamn Cattle.
Uhh, what just happened?
Edit - I thought this was going to end with the undertaker story in 1994
