I just switched my electrical contractor that does work at my job like every other day. Dude was making a grand a week easily just on the jobs I was giving him. Then he drives in one day with the maple maga bumper stickers and the anti science bullshit. Haven’t called him back in over 5 weeks, there are plenty of contractors out there and they’re not all nuts
Ok, but look at Harvard’s alumni. They seem to be the number one producer of real life super villains.
You mean being an nbc comedy writer??
A large chunk of US politicians, US SC Justices, and business leaders. Kissinger, Bush II, Gates, Zuckerburg, Bloomberg…
Skim through this list and see if you think Havard is a net gain or net loss for humanity.
Are you convinced Harvard specifically is radicalising them in some way? Because I’m not.
People don’t go to Harvard to get an education. They go because their parents are elites and they want their kids to make connections with the kids of other elites. The research makes headlines, but that’s not their main purpose. This creates a campus culture that could be what actually is “radicalizing”, but in their case, it’s the sataus quo, what is right and what is natural.
People don’t go to Harvard to get an education. They go because their parents are elites and they want their kids to make connections with the kids of other elites.
Elites don’t go to Harvard for an education. But the rest of their students are there for one. I know several people with degrees from Harvard who grew up middle class and are now teaching at other universities.
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There are seperate MAGAs for the peasants and the elite.
inb4 the bullshit, bad faith “sO mUCh foR THe toLeRanT LefT!!1!”
Tolerance is a social contract. You break the contract, you don’t get the tolerance.
I will tolerate anyone but the intolerant
“…The tolerant left…”
Your words. Not mine.
Saying edgy things for squirts of dopamine is the behavior of a drug addict.
That’s definitely an opinion.
The sarcasm aspect of it went right over your head lol
Go back to clapping at US citizens being deported and let the adults try to clean up your mess.
I think you misread my meaning.
“So much for the tolerant left” is a right winger’s rhetoric when people on the left put up any kind of resistance to their stupid racist policies.
I’m saying that they are labeling me (or us) as the tolerant left, and I’m not tolerant of their shit at all.
It’s an addition to the previous comment, not a critique.
I probably should have phrased it “Their words, not mine” to make things clearer.
It’s a dumb line anyway. There’s no obligation for us to tolerate their antisocial behavior in the first place. All that line does is betray that the fascist treats liberalist ideals as a game or a weakness, only a fool would humor their insincere appeals to liberalism.
Jean-Paul Sartre, Réflexions sur la question juive (1946)
“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
The number of times college protesters have been wrong: 0.
unless they are your proxy in ukraine.
Or headchopping terrorists like Al Jolani.Well well, 20 downvotes, ZERO replies or arguments against these facts.
LOL
Shame them in every part of life.
Let them know their beleifs will lead to us having to put them down like rabid dogs for our own safety.
Harvard really
Wow, this will be devastating to the approximately zero Trump supporters at Harvard.
Remember that the rich assholes want Harvard for themselves and not for anyone else. Plenty of them exist there.
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Why emphasize wealthy? Wealthier people were less likely to vote for Trump.
Nice bait kiddo
It’s a bad graph. Take it from me, 120k household income is not wealthy. It’s barely enough to afford a house, healthcare and transportation.
A better graph would be 0-100k, 100k-1M, 1M-10M and 10M+.
Trump is the president of the US, but he is really the president for billionaires.
Where you live makes a huge difference, though things are starting to getting really bad nationwide. If you live anywhere near a big city, $100k is the absolute bottom of middle class. All your money will go to cost of living with nothing left over. If you’re lucky.
You’re showing a 50% split no matter what your income level is. Can you read graphs?
The graph proved their point though didn’t it? You can argue it’s not a significant difference but clearly there is a difference. I’ve seen a variety of different sources demonstrating this phenomena, it seems clear to me that lower income people have been increasingly identifying as Republicans in recent years, and wealthy people increasingly vote Democratic. From what I’ve seen it is only in the most wealthy and well educated parts of the country where Democrats have consistently increased their support over the past three election cycles. The rest of the country it is mostly the opposite. Trumpism and the MAGA cult have really transformed the Republican party, they have grown this whole new constituency of working class people that used to not vote much and tended to vote Democratic when they did. Now those people are mostly reliable Republicans who live in a fantasy world of propaganda and hate Democrats.
It didn’t prove anything other than it’s split no matter what your income level is. Is this your ALT account?
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3% would be the difference between a decisive Trump victory and a decisive Harris victory, but I didn’t say that Harvard has very few Trump supporters primarily because wealthier people tend to oppose Trump. Both are true but the latter isn’t the main reason for the former.
Source is paywalled.
CNN’s exit poll shows the same thing.
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Are you suggesting that wealthy college kids are less likely to be trump supporters that non-wealthy college kids?
This is anecdotal, I know. But I work for a public college, and MAGA is popular. Of course, we have large police and firefighter programs.
Yes. I don’t have surveys specifically of college students but that’s what I extrapolate from the relationship between income and Trump support in the population as a whole.
Edit: The best I can find on short notice specifically about young people shows that those worried about money were strong supporters of Trump, but this is not a survey of only college students.
Young people who chose issues like racism, abortion, and climate change as their top priority in the 2024 election were the most likely to support Harris. However, 40% of youth chose the economy and jobs as their top priority—by far the highest of any issue, and those youth voted for Trump by a more than 22-point margin.
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Take a look at CNN’s exit polls. I have a screenshot here.
That’s not true
In what world do you live in where ultrawealthy people don’t go to Harvard lol
you can clearly see the bias, he already said trump was the president for the working class.
don’t they teach management there as well?
https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2020/10/19/shroff-harvard-trump-administration/
Not to paint with too broad of a brush, but a lot of Harvard students are entitled assholes from money and gobble up Republican ideology.
That wasn’t already happening? WTF
A call to boycott doesn’t mean no one was boycotting before. It’s providing solidarity and reinforcing, for those that might feel isolated in their actions, that they aren’t just swimming against the current.
A call to boycott also sends the message that there will also be consequences for not joining the boycott. If you aren’t actively boycotting, you can expect to be treated the same as those who are being boycotted.
in short, “If you sit at the fascist table, you will be considered a fascist.”
This is true. Boycotting comes from Irish sharecroppers banding together against exploitative British landlords. It worked because they worked together. Anyone who had dealings with British landlords was shunned.
Boycotting has always been a group effort with coordination playing a key role.
Seeing as everyone is in their own social media echo chamber now and are separate offline it won’t really matter.
Just as a slice of it, going to r/conservative is so eye opening. They ignore or ban any news that would directly conflict with conservative beliefs as they once were so they don’t have to confront any of it, celebrate anything that makes the left look bad, and openly gargle Trump cum in every post as a badge of honor. It’s a truly disgusting little place.
They literally believe the left is just showing their insanity by calling everything fascism. It’s what their media tells them too. To them, this is the authoritarian, violent left and these types of actions only confirm their biases.
Yup, I was just talking to my mother about politics the other day. She’s a MAGA-type and while even she’s starting to crack on the “wow maybe literally setting fire to 2/3 of the governmental agencies wasn’t a good idea” thing, she’s still dead convinced it’s “for the best” and “well worth the savings” to not be “financing plays about gay people in Dublin” or whatever, and everyone protesting is “just wanting to oppose President Trump because that’s what they’re told to do”.
Seems a bit pointless because if you know someone who’s a giant piece of shit like that you probably already aren’t doing any of those things, but I respect the intention
Or you are, but you don’t have much of a choice in the matter, because their parents sit on the Board of Governors or sponsor the Frat or otherwise are the people you got into Harvard to suck up to.
It’s like telling a young Mark Zuckerberg not to be nice to the Winklevoss Twins. He’s not doing it because he likes them. He’s doing it to leverage their family connections and wealth. Literally the whole reason anyone goes to Ivy League schools to begin with.
Sucking up to those people like that is one of the grossest things I can imagine doing. No fancy job title is worth that self-flagellation
If you look at the folks who sit on these boards and hold these C-level positions, quite a few of them are gross. Sarah Wynn-Williams’s “Careless People” - an account of her time at Facebook - illustrates as much. Sex pests, glory hounds, money-hungry thugs, all orchestrated by a man-child so brain-rotted by his delusions of grandeur that he’s stylized himself as Caeser Augustus.
No fancy job title is worth that self-flagellation
It’s not just about fancy job titles. It’s about the money and the power and the sex and the celebrity (and plenty of drugs). It’s living like a high schooler with rich parents well into your golden years.
Would this lead to further isolation of those labelled as trump supporter, which would decrease their real-life day-to-day exposure to opposing view points?
No.
They already live in an echo chamber. I don’t think their worldview is gonna change drastically.
any opposing viewpoints would easily be dismissed by them, its unlikely they will learn from a opposing view in the first place.
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And then they called ICE
Yes. But like with cancer you need to kill it before it kills you
It’s not though, it’s a very direct exposure to other viewpoints. Those who can’t reflect on the consequences weren’t going to be convinced by you talking at them in any case.
You sound like those entirely out-of-touch milquetoast libs who said back in 2016 that “this will all die off with the Boomers!” while completely ignoring that all of their pundits and media influencers were Gen X, Millennials, and Zoomers who were openly indoctrinating children into fascist ideology. Maybe you havent had any day-to-day exposure to opposing viewpoints?..because you have NO idea who you’re dealing with.
I am not frequently exposed to opposing viewpoints in day-to-day life.
I have no doubt that I lack the qualifications, experience, and knowledge to make as complex a decision as “Should trump supporters be barred from social spaces?”.
I imagine that my anxiety regarding the uncertainty of these events would be subsided if I knew about a website/book/piece of media which could, very politely and carefully explain the issues with supporting politics of people like trump. Simply because I don’t believe I would be able to stay calm during a conversation with such an individual, which would undeniably decrease the chance that they would reconsider their viewpoints.
Is there such a book/website? Do you have any suggestions? (I bet there is something for climate change deniers)
based upon my experience of being raised by, living among, and serving in business the trump supporting groups:
Blue collar trumpers are wildly racist. It’s a view supported by their christian religion. It is further cemented by herd mentality. They think that they are the outliers, the black sheep not following the liberal herd. Many of them dont vote because they’re convinced that the entire system is rigged against them. Trump is the first time they felt like they’re voting FOR something. They rarely leave their corner of the county, so they never see the benefits of the society liberals and leftists push for.
Wealthy trumpers are both wildly racist and class warriors. I am convinced that an exponential IQ decline happens as their wealth increases and they become further isolated from society. THEY are the (Randian objectivist) Movers and Shakers; everyone else are lazy shits mooching off of them. Trump is TAKING BACK what all these lowlifes and criminals TOOK from them!
Worse is the blue collar racist who BECAME wealthy. I grew up as family friends and neighbors to a wealthy celebrity musician who started out as a drywaller and I am CONVINCED that he paid good money to vandalize the home of a black family that moved into my old home until they left. He was VERY excited when Fox News went on the air.
Finally, the middle class: they do not want taxes under any circumstance (especially when they see no benefit from them in their area), and they are convinced that their portfolios grow under Republican rule. Is trump a corrupt asshole?..sure, but so are Dems and he’s at least open about it. Doesnt matter that Tesla is an abject failure because the fraud and corruption has the stock skyrocketing this week. You MIGHT reach them with health care talk because so many of them are on Obamacare (but dont tell anyone!!) but they are concinced the system is too far gone for that…and they’re right.
None of these people can be reasoned with or reached. Selfishness, arrogance, and racism are the core of their personalities, and even if you got any of them to say “yeah, you’re right!” it would be for nothing but dismissal to end the conversation.
And guess what?..the Non-Voters that Dems lament not showing?. .most of them are one of the above. If they showed up we would all be in cattle cars already because trump speaks to them directly.
choke them out if need be, they are adults who are responsible for informing themselves if they want to live in the real world
Trump supporters do not argue in good faith and that fact alone is a good reason to not interact with them.
trump supporters dont want opposing viewpoints though. So its no issue to block them, as they want to do it to every institution, its fair game.
Maybe instead we should let them do whatever they want with no repercussions or pressure to change ever.
Fuck them, and fuck yeah to the students (and everyone) pushing back
A tweet about a single anonymous post on an obscure forum with no info about the type of response it received.
This is nothing.
If I went to Harvard, and created an account, and then went and made an anonymous post saying cats are horrible and everyone should stop keeping them as pets; do you think that’s an indicator that people are turning against cats? Do you think my single, anonymous post would be worth making a tweet over? Do you think that holds ANY relation to other people’s options or the actions they will take?
The dirty truth is that the Real Social Consequences of supporting fascism have, historically, been the full throated support of US business, media, and military.
Germany was the exception, not the rule. Spain, Chile, the Philippines, South Vietnam, Israel, Apartheid South Africa, Bolsanaro’s Brazil, Modi’s India, Trump’s America… That’s the rule.
Sorry, but there’s something wrong with people that are supporting open fascism. This isn’t people ‘not playing nice’ with fascists, it’s protection against fascists. Everyone that is still sane should stay away from anyone openly supporting fascist themes.
Which is so fucking obvious that it should not have to be said.
They don’t see it as fascism. They just see that their “team” is “winning”, and the “other” people are losing. That’s all life is to them, winning over everyone else, even when it goes against self preservation.
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Their delusion?
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I mean, it should be socially acceptable to punch Nazis.
Only if you don’t give them an opportunity to punch back
Simple rule: If you can’t take a punch, don’t take a swing.
I mean, it should be socially acceptable to punch Nazis.
Yes, it should be that way everywhere. In plenty of societies, it already is.
An international friend of mine in the UK was let off lightly by a judge for punching a Nazi, because the victim was a Nazi. Obviously judges can be a game of luck so I’m not claiming this is a low-risk action, but law isn’t set in stone.
it’s like returning the shopping cart: you don’t have to punch nazis, but if you don’t do it you’re a bit of a dick
Considered a public service, ideally.
