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    Really?

    I blame it on the working class choosing billionaires over the working class. That’s how we got kamala and biden in the first place.

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      Agreed. It’s 100% the voters (or absent voters) fault. They knew what they would get if Trump won(generations of damage) and they let it happen. Harris should have been voted in to triage the situation, then protest her while she is in office to bring change.

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    I never felt Harris actually stood for anything. This is easily the first election where I felt all the decisions made by the DNC were hard wrong - and I already thought the DNC fucked everything up when the turned on Sanders - but this time they really chose every bad option they could. A senior citizen that was absolutely having problems (outside the debate performance) and choosing an inclusivity* candidate that really had a checkered past of making climbing the ladder a priority while having no real policy gains or stances. Even in the lead up to everything, the other candidates were all but brushed aside. No real debate over policy or where the country was going.

    She said whatever middle of the road thing needed to be said to appeal to enough people while leveling mealy criticism at best for the real problems, from Israel’s shitty war to attacks worker’s right in the US. We went from a candidate that should have never run again to a candidate that hadn’t given anyone a reason to want her to run at all at the last minute. And that’s awful, especially to lose against trump.

    • I hate to even say it, but the fact is that the DNC wanted to run a black female. They banked on the (I can’t think of the word/name for it - people who want to do things for a minority community, but do so cluelessly, remove agency of the group, disregard the actual needs and culture of the group. Usually modestly wealthy white people making “programs” for minority communities) people to vote for the feel-good of voting a minority person up while not actually thinking that people would have needs and policy concerns that would influence their vote, or their willingness to vote at all. The DNC already had “protect the rich white people” as a top priority. They didn’t think people were smart enough to sense that, and everyone really had a feeling that the Democrats didn’t care about them anymore.

    Edit: found it. It’s “white saviorism” or “white savior complex.”

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        This guy’s videos are one of the few things on youtube (other than music videos) I’ll watch sometimes.

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          Yeah it’s pretty well researched. It’s kind of jarring viewing these videos now because they describe a time when fascists weren’t nearly so overt.

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        That’s an interesting video, and I don’t think it defines exactly what I was trying to say, but it absolutely is tangential to it.

        I want to say White Paternalism, where white people think they know what is best for minority groups, but that name often has an association with racism.

        Edit: found it: “white saviorism”

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          Ah, saviorism. Yeah that’s definitely what you’re describing.

          I guess what the video is describing is yeah tangential and/or like a superset. Groups high on the power structure use those who’re lower as proxies for their vying for power/resources/etc.

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            Yes, the video definitely suggests groups can be used as pawns and virtue signaling for those trying to “help” or use the appearance of it to further an agenda.

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    Yeah. The DNC either don’t realise, or refuse to realise, that electing Trump is not in approval of him, but expression of disapproval of the Democratic Party.

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        Totally going to codify Roe, legalize weed, and give you healthcare access on day 1 - just need 69 more donations of $25 by midnight tonight!

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          No matter how many times i respond “Stop” they always try again sooner or later. It’s completely ineffective now though, all I’m reminded of when i receive any of those messages is that they are lying to get money. Plain and simple.

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          If I got a dollar for every time I got a donation message about how this time they’ll follow up on promises from a decade ago, I’d probably have enough to lobby for it to happen.

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    I’m so glad we’re still establishing blame for our country descending into fascism. The Dems are in fantastic political shape and have a coherent plan to keep our democracy together.

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    I wish I could believe that.

    I mean, don’t get me wrong - it would’ve been a better route to take in any case, whether it delivered the campaign from defeat or not.

    But I have no faith in my fellow Americans to choose politicians or policies that represent their best interests.

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      Riddle me this

      How does Kamala and Biden policies represent(ed) the best interest of the half of the population that they and their voters keep calling to be murdered and put in camps for being the privileged, bigoted, homophobic, sexist, racist, slave owners, Nazis, transphobic, emotionless, non empathic, oppressive source of all evil in the world?

      Literally any negative adjective you can think of, any negative association, any way to dismiss, disparage or erode away any respect or appreciation they might have has been used and constantly and consistently applied to this half of the voters through the years, demonizing them to make them the imaginary enemies the Dems needed to rally against during their mandate and then again on the election cycles.

      People who, might I remind you, have literally never had a (insert negative adjective here ) thought in their life, none of these supposed privileges, and are playing in a categorically non leveled field during their whole life.

      Now the Dems are spending millions doing meetings in luxury hotels to see how they can analyze social media usage of patterns and speech to “connect” with that half of the population

      Basically the same as they tried at the end of their campaign

      You have no faith in America?

      For these half of the population, that’s basically all you need to win them

      You want to know who benefits from the Dems policies? Look at the majority on power in their structures, who runs their committees, who is the main beneficiary of the DEI programs and the majority of the complainers:

      Middle age white women with a god complex.

      The Karentocracy is and has been eating the democrats away and you guys know it and are doing squat to avoid it

      Now tell me this is not the case and has absolutely not been happening and keep blaming Kamala’s defeat and betrayal on the Americans and how racist and sexist they are

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        Riddle me this

        How does Kamala and Biden policies represent(ed) the best interest of the half of the population that they and their voters keep calling to be murdered and put in camps for being the privileged, bigoted, homophobic, sexist, racist, slave owners, Nazis, transphobic, emotionless, non empathic, oppressive source of all evil in the world?

        Literally any negative adjective you can think of, any negative association, any way to dismiss, disparage or erode away any respect or appreciation they might have has been used and constantly and consistently applied to this half of the voters through the years, demonizing them to make them the imaginary enemies the Dems needed to rally against during their mandate and then again on the election cycles.

        People who, might I remind you, have literally never had a (insert negative adjective here ) thought in their life, none of these supposed privileges, and are playing in a categorically non leveled field during their whole life.

        Now the Dems are spending millions doing meetings in luxury hotels to see how they can analyze social media usage of patterns and speech to “connect” with that half of the population

        Basically the same as they tried at the end of their campaign

        You have no faith in America?

        For these half of the population, that’s basically all you need to win them

        You want to know who benefits from the Dems policies? Look at the majority on power in their structures, who runs their committees, who is the main beneficiary of the DEI programs and the majority of the complainers:

        Middle age white women with a god complex.

        The Karentocracy is and has been eating the democrats away and you guys know it and are doing squat to avoid it

        Now tell me this is not the case and has absolutely not been happening and keep blaming Kamala’s defeat and betrayal on the Americans and how racist and sexist they are

        Lord.

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          Such arguments, much wow.

          Applause all around

          How’s Kamala’s victory working out for you btw

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    She is a black women : Minus 500 Points for Gryfindor.

    She walks in in a businessdress and looks as intimidating as the mortage lady from the bank: Minus 600 Points for Gryfindor

    Her Party is made up from literal Fossils that won’t give up power, even past 80, won’t stop Making money from what seems like Stocktrading on privileged information: Minus 50 Points for Gryfindor.

    She is as charismatic as Porridge: Minus 100 Points for Gryfindor.

    Seriously fuck the bitch ass american racists and the democratic party that can’t find a good candidate when so much is on the line.

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    Telling too that the Democratic leadership said after the fact that one of the reasons they lost was that they relied too much on small donators instead of billionaire donators. Disgusting

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      Which of course means they’ve learned absolutely nothing, and we can look forward to more of the same awful messaging and misguided/corrupt representation next time.

      Dems need to be replaced with a new party, I know FPTP is a challenge but the alternatives are worse.

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        I agree with replacing the Dems, but are you meaning to say the alternatives to FPTP are worse? FPTP is the reason we are in the situation we are in imo.

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          Not at all, I’m saying the alternatives to not dismantling FPTP to enable new parties are worse. As in, we have got to get rid of it and elect an actual populist on the left, or the Dems and Repugs will bring about the end of the American empire through unbridled greed.

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        I’d bet 20 bucks right now that the DNC will figure out some way to lose the midterms as well.

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        as someone who has been a dem my whole life, I agree. I feel like my political party has completely failed me, but at least for now, it’s the strongest form of defense we have against Fascism in our country, so I’m kind of stuck here.

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        Hate seeing this shit… “Democrats went way too far left with the pronouns stuff, so people overcorrected.”

        Fucking bullshit. They don’t know what “left” means anymore.

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          The war chest was campaign money for the biden/harris ticket, so if they went with someone who wasn’t on the ticket they couldn’t spend the money.

          This was the convenient excuse they manufactured so they could appear as though their hands were tied when just running biden again, and then kamala when that failed.

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            She burned through something like a billion and a half dollars if I remember right. She gave a shitload to rich celebrity endorsements.

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              This in particular pissed me off. Soon as the news broke, here’s me:

              “Are you fucking kidding me?! You make the rich celebrities pay YOU, not the other way around. If they have to be paid to endorse you, then they aren’t fucking endorsing you. They’re making their down payment on bribery!”

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    I don’t have a ton of confidence the working class would choose someone who did choose them. Bernie is that candidate, and shenanigans aside from the dem primary, he didn’t swing a landslide.

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        No, I’m saying he already chose the working class and it hasn’t galvanized the working class to support him by a significant majority so I’m not sure it would have worked for Kamala. Bernie probably would have won a small majority, but done no better than corporate candidates have because the working class doesn’t seem to galvanized behind a candidate that does choose them.

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          When Bernie was running the entire mass media did like a 24/7 campaign blasting how he “can’t win”… It was non-stop.

          The casual voter didn’t even have a chance to listen to him, he was constantly blasted with nonsense.

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            I must have been an early ‘out of the cable TV news loop’ person then. Explains some things.

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              Yeah no, both of my parents voted Biden in the SC primary because they said he was the only candidate who could beat Trump, because thats what cable news told them. The people who voted Biden in the general, and especially the people who voted Biden in the primary will vote exactly as they are told. Its hundred million non-voters whom dont vote because the party offers them fuckall who can be won.

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            People heard him. He had many rallies and participated in primary debates. He also had a book out, did interviews. He had a very repetitive message which is normally good for politicians. Some of his ideas were very out of the norm for the time, some isolationist ideas-- not saying they were not valid but there was an alternative running that fed into people’s prejudices and encouraged them to be hostile and mean- fed their dopamine centers, and said the words “communist” and “socialist” a lot. Also there were a lot of Democrats who wanted to vote for a Democrat, not a “Democrat for convenience.”

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          He is too old to run for president. Can’t we just stop with the gerontocracy?

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            No one is suggested Bernie run – they are suggesting the system that knecapped him be examined and anyone involved in it dethroned. at minimum. We cant keep doing this stuff.

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            I don’t disagree that we need younger people, but the majority of voters seem to disagree seeing as how they chose two fucks just as old as he was

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        You do realise that you can cheat against someone even if that someone wasn’t going to win? The opponents using cheats only implies the level of confidence of said opponents, not necessarily the chance of winning for the one being cheated against. While those two are usually related, they don’t necessarily have to be.

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      Most of the US working class still hates and fears the things that benefit them, such as socialist policies and unions. Propoganda dies hard.

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    I’m not disagreeing with the fact that the Democratic Party shouldn’t be cozying up with billionaires, but I’m not convinced that the most significant reason for the Harris’ loss. I think misogyny played a role.

    I think Democrats don’t know how to create a zeitgeist of high-brow, uplifting pugnacity that punches through bullshit. “Oh you think ‘boys’ should be able to play in women’s sports?” “It’s a game!” “You sound pretty privileged to not have to think about scholarships for students to go to college!” “Shut the fuck up about peoples’ genitals, and let’s do something about people going to school. Let’s prepare children for the real world in school while they’re growing up, and if they want to go off to college after that, let’s make that affordable.”

    The “Green New Deal” — do want to grow the economy with new industries? Do you know how much more expensive living with the consequences of climate change will be — do you like the cost of housing now?

    “Poor people should have to work to receive help.” — (1) They already do, and (2) shut the fuck up and stop calling yourself a Christian unless you want to at least pretend to know the tenets of your religion. You would have been whipped in the temple.

    Stop giving Republicans so many opportunities to go on bullshitting without checking them. That won’t immediately manifest the world we want to see, but it will at least shift the momentum.

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      Of course misogyny played a role. A million factors played a role, but most of those she couldn’t control. How she campaigns is something she could control, and that’s something she fucked up.

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    It’s not just Kamala Harris, it is democrats in general. I get that they want the first woman president … but its not going to happen in this political environment. Many Hatian immigrants that voted for Trump just because they don’t think a woman can be president. Copy that … Trump said these people are eating cats and they still voted for him. Hispanics? News flash, they are predominantly Catholic … so Pro Choice doesn’t go over well for them. Then people got angry because Kamala skipped the whole nomination prosses. Stuff like this is why she lost. Biden should have ran, then resigned after he beat Trump again.

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      Biden should have ran

      Even before the Jun 27 debate fiasco, the polls always showed that Biden had very little chance of winning. He was trying to actively facilitate a AIPAC genocide and simultaneously win a close campaign race from the “left” party. If the DNC had run a real primary process, and if the media had held Biden to his promise to only run a single term, things might have been different.

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      We have literal scientific proof that voters don’t give a shit if the candidate is a man or a woman.

      Please really do stop this narrative. It makes more damage than you think

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        You can’t have “scientific proof” on an opinion. That’s dumb. If voters don’t care if the candidate is a man or woman THEN WHY HAVE THEY ALL BEEN MEN? I think that ends your “science” right there.

        This was the weirdest response I have ever had on Lemmy … congrats.

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          Yeah man, fuck scientific research I guess, your totally sustainable anecdotal evidence is proof enough

          How’s Kamala victory working out for you btw

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            You make no sense.

            My point: The US is not ready fir a woman president and won’t elect one. Dems need to stop running women.

            Your Point (apparently): Science says voters don’t care if the candidate is male or female.

            Let’s test your theory in the laboratory of life. To be correct by your measure the US should have around a 50% male/female ratio, we will say 40/60 proves it as well.

            There have been 45 people elected to the 60 US presidential terms.

            Let’s look at the elected presidents. By your measure, should it not matter to voters, we should have had 20-23 women as president. We should also have 40-50% women in Congress, the House, and Senate. Let’s check those numbers …

            of US presidents in history: None

            Women in politics is currently the highest it has ever been. The numbers are 28% in Congress, 29% in the House and 25% in the Senate.

            Hmmm … it looks like there is a substantial difference in how voters feel.

            This is the part where you throw a fit and start name calling.

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      No way Biden wins a second time. His mind was critically failing during the debates, the average voter saw that, and minorities didn’t win him the election overall, white people did.

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        His mind was critically failing during the debates, the average voter saw that, and minorities didn’t win him the election overall, white people did.

        Remember saying that and being called a useful idiot who bought into Propaganda? Pepperidge farm remembers.

        And now they blame non-whites for the failures of the old racist dude and his token friend.

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      Biden wasn’t ever going to beat trump after that complete failure of a debate. Harris was the dems Hail Mary play after they finally realized that.

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        Yeah I thought the odds of her winning were less than 50% but they were still bette than the odds of Biden winning again.

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      I know Gore won in 2000, we just gloss over the theft and the nazis scream about rigged elections because every accusation is a confession.

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        I’m 99% certain Musk helped Trump rig this election. I think the only reason the Dems didn’t fight it was because they had spent the last 4 years telling everyone how solid our election system was and near impossible to rig.

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    Yeah, but Trump does the same. Kamala had better taxes planned for the working class and the poor. Trump also has a very poor track record. You can blame Kamala for not doing it right, but imo the issue is mass disinformation and people being extremily dumb.