• BCsven@lemmy.ca
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    7 months ago

    All immigration officers that follow orders are like Nazi SS, a human would refuse to carry these ideals through

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    7 months ago

    Not here. Please… Not anywhere, but please not here… This is the most disappointed I’ve ever been of my hometown.

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      7 months ago

      Native here as well, and also disappointed. We can’t throw all ~1.5M San Antonio residents under the bus, though. All I can say is that my local precinct did its part to not elect the current POTUS.

      Source

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        7 months ago

        I’m not throwing all the residents under the bus. Only the people representing us. Now is not the time to go with the flow; I thought SAPD always bragged about building nice relationships with the denizens.

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      7 months ago

      Tying up minors in itself may or may not be unreasonable. Zip ties are a common field hand cuff. That being said, if anyone hasn’t shown a need to be restrained (ie. Violent), they should not be restrained

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          7 months ago

          I mean, yeah. Trump et all do everything for a show of force.

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          7 months ago

          I never said that. I said you shouldn’t rule it out, but generally you shouldn’t restrain people - regardless of age

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          7 months ago

          You cannot let this be normal to you. You should look at this picture, learn the context, and be disgusted. Not hem and haw about it>

          Edit I found the article, but somewhat disappointed that the context is one of the last comments with minimal engagement or up votes. Is there context available for this picture? I have not seen an article associated with it, just comments in the thread comparing ICE to Nazis. I can’t think of many instances where zip tieing or handcuffing children is appropriate, but that is not the same as there never being such an instance.

          I don’t want to fall for rage bait, like with the “US Citizen Deported” headlines for citizen children going with their deported parents. Not that I am saying that is ok either, as any rush to deport where lawyers have not had time to be involved to ensure deported parents have all their options fully explored to ensure what is best for the children is a gross miscarriage of justice caused by a criminally understaffed immigration system, but misrepresenting what is happening by calling it deportation of US citizens doesn’t help.

          If this is in immigration court then no one should be cuffed outside of provenly dangerous individuals because it creates a subconscious bias of guilt, which is why it’s not allowed in regular court. Also any cop that cannot maintain control of a single child under 10 without cuffs doesn’t belong in physical law enforcement.

          That being said, I can’t say that physical restraints are never appropriate for both officer and detainee safety in any situation, because sometimes it most certainly is.

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              Thank you for replying, and I did find it at the bottom of the thread after replying. Unfortunately, I believe this will get harder as the number of incidents and pictures increase, and I believe there will be bad actors and bots taking advantage of that fact in the future as well.

              This was posted as three children zip tied, but the article captions it as at least one because it looks like it might be only the oldest cuffed. It may be (probably is) totally unreasonable for that young man (could be anywhere from 10-18 by that picture, and I am not giving the benefit of the doubt to ICE) to be cuffed, but the OP implying all those children were zip tied could very well be sensational over exaggeration if there isn’t context backing that up.

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                  7 months ago

                  I’m a bit confused and maybe something got lost in translation. A picture was posted of something questionable that appears to be a bad thing, with the poster of said picture saying it’s even worse than what the picture shows. You told someone to look at the context for why it is indeed as bad as the poster said, but someone asking about the context you referred to/found is, is a bad thing/downplaying?

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    7 months ago

    Fucking disgusting. But to be fair, with all the school shootings in the US I wouldn’t trust children either /jk

  • SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    The judges complicit in this fascist administration will be on the same list as the rest of the fascists

    They will be prosecuted at the next Nuremberg Trials

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      7 months ago

      To terrorize their parents, immigrants and the public at large that even kids will be treated and dehumanized as hardened criminals

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          7 months ago

          They are children. Zip ties on elementary school kids is heinous. Regardless of residential status - which kids do not have any culpability in.

          Your question is grotesque and irrelevant.

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            7 months ago

            Quite. When we describe someone as an “illegal”, literally all it means is they don’t have the correct paperwork to be in the country. When applied to children, you’re now making moral judgements about them and how they should be treated based on their parents’ paperwork being in order.

            It’s a fundamentally inhumane way to think.

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    7 months ago

    You’re right. They should have cuffed them to their parents so they can’t be separated.