• Deflated0ne@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    Red meat for the specific kind of idiots who tell anyone who they can trap in a corner for 5 minutes about how aliens built the pyramids.

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    I hate the government, but this is stupid, especially considering that the government was supposedly behind this the whole time. The people who think these are chemtrails have no ideological integrity. When they find something evil done by the United States, instead of standing against the United States, they believe that it was someone else’s fault who is nonetheless powerful. To them, it could be George Soros’ fault, it could be the Democrats’ fault, it could be the Deep State’s fault, but never America’s fault. I believe many of the real problems today: people being left houseless and starving, masked ICE agents tormenting people, war in the Middle East between Israel and Iran, and so on are the fault of the United States–not Jews or Communists or Russo-Chinese interference–and it’s not happening to America.

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    Without even looking, lemme guess on which states.

    Are they the shit holes with low education rates and high rates of rampant stupidity who suckle the teat of all the blue states paying for them but then complain about it?

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      One of the states is Florida, which is ranked #1 in the U.S. for higher education.

      Louisiana and Tennessee I expect it from… But Desantis has done a number on Florida.

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        Who is ranking Florida #1 for higher education? Even before DeSantis, I only heard of Florida schools being part schools.

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          A lot of it is tied to “nice” weather and lower tuition costs. But the University of Central Florida is one of, if not the largest University in the U.S. and focused on engineering and computer science. Embry Riddle is the largest Aerospace/Aeronautical school in the world I believe. Florida State University and the University of Florida are likely where the party school stigma stems from, but there are 77 accredited Universities in Florida.

          The tuition I’m sure effects it a lot:

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            Yeah, I guess that’s an issue with trying to aggregate college quality at the state level. Both your list and US News & World Report have Utah and Georgia surprisingly high on their lists.

            If you actually just look at top schools you’ll see New York, California, North Carolina, Pennsylvania are listed a lot.

            Not bashing Florida, just not where people typically think of elite colleges/universities. That being said education is such a personal thing that the best school for someone is not necessarily the best “ranked” school.

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              No, bash away lol. When a states governor commandeers money from the populous and doesn’t let the legislature know and spends chunks of it on advertising to manipulate public opinion and get them to vote one way or another they should be hated on.

              Also that “nice” weather is usually a giant steam room at 5:20pm every summer day because there was a giant storm that flew through and rained from 5:10-5:15pm while the sun somehow never even went behind the clouds so it’s hotter then hell and you’re wet and sticky. It’s likely half the reason you can still legally ride motorcycles there without a helmet because it’s absolutely miserable to have moist cushions forcing your sweat and dirt back into your pores. It’s like putting slimy bologna on your cheeks holding it there and trying to call it a joy ride. So you skip the helmet, get caught in a giant downpour flying down the highway with rain stabbing you in the face like needles for fun.

              At least they’ve got their swamp puppies to keep them company because their dog already got eaten by the swamp puppy when you tried to take them fishing.

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      I didn’t find a complete list from my scanning of the article, which is disappointing because I could really use some confirmation that my state isn’t on there

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      IDK which states either. But I’d venture a guess, that sorting states by percentage of MAGA voters, would have the 8 states in the top 10.

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    Ok, what if, and hear me out, they are actually doing this to ban plans and force the reintroduction of, wait for it, trains!?

    Nah, didn’t think so either.

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    Let me get this straight. They are going to outlaw… water condensation. They are literally the grandpa from The Simpsons yelling at the clouds. Because chemtrails are basically just clouds. It’s just water vapor from the airplane engines condensing in cold atmosphere at high altitudes. Because it’s cold up there. They know it’s cold up there, right? Right? Imagine being a grown fucking adult and not knowing how this shit works. Go out in the winter and breathe with open mouth. You’re now breathing out chemtrails. you fucking dumbasses.

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      See the problem is you’re using logic and reason backed up by facts. They need to hear loud buzzwords from talking heads.

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        Scientists have shown that those who come in contact with dihydrogen monoxide have a 100% fatality rate. Every single person that has come in contact with it dies.

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          It’s in all the food you eat! Big Food lobbies to protect their profits by using it in food production!

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            The real tragedy is the pollution. While there are areas of the world that are generally safe from dihydrogen monoxide in the environment, in my area there are literally rivers of the stuff with regular exposure to the air we breath.

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          In all major US cities since the 1970’s that have a river in the downtown area, the percentage concentration of dihydrogen monoxide has been increasing! We keep finding more and more of it in parts per million in our river water. At what point will someone in our government stand up for us and say this is enough?!?

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            At what point will someone in our government stand up for us and say this is enough?!?

            The problem is that dihydrogen monoxide has thousands of industrial and commercial uses. You’d be shocked at how many product from manufacturing all the way to food processing use the stuff at some point in their process.

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      I dont think this is true. My understanding is that its excess jet fuel being jettisoned before landing to reduce weight. Not that thats any better, but its for saftey.

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        The only time fuel is dumped by aircraft is during an emergency and either 1) needs to land somewhere unexpected and is far overweight for the runway, or 2) there is a situation where the landing is exceedingly dangerous and there’s a need to reduce weight and potential fireball size (e.g. landing gear failures).

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        Only for emergency landings. Airplanes are only fueled for a planned flight plus some reserve for economic reasons (carrying excess fuel means you consume more fuel and that costs airlines money). If you’re making a regular planned approach you’ve already used most of planned fuel and airplane is ready to land as is. For emergency landings soon after takeoff, landing at that time would mean airplane is too heavy and would probably destroy landing gear and damage fuselage/wings on touchdown and you don’t want that when you already have other problems. Only then they dump the excess fuel to get to the right landing load (weight). Source: I watch a lot of air crash investigations on TV.

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      No no, you see, chemtrails look and behave exactly like contrails. They’re entirely, completely, 100% indistinguishable from contrails. So now that theyve banned them, you can be sure that all those trails you see in the sky are pure contrails and you’ve got your local Republican politician to thank for it!

      Its definitely not just that they want an easy win without actually having to do anything, do not look at the man behind the curtain!

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      Well technically not just water they also contain some chemicals from the exhaust. Ironically those same people don’t mind exhausts from cars or coal power plants.

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        Airliners don’t burn lead and that some bit of chemicals disperses at 30,000 ft. Bubba McSisterhump in his diesel pavement princess chooching up a giant cloud of black smoke directly in your face…somehow cool and owns the libs

        These people are fucking exhausting

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      Well if you can see condensed water vapor in open air, it’s most likely nucleating around something. And that something is probably the combustion products from the jet fuel. I don’t know exactly what each of those thousands of molecular structures are, but burning fuels in general can produce a whole host of compounds including Polyaromatic Hydrocarbons (PAHs) that can be rather carcinogenic. And that pollution most likely settles somewhere on the planet surface eventually.

      As takeda said in another comment, it might not be worse than more local sources like cars or trains or power plants, but it’s very unlikely to just be water, and probably not healthy.

      I’m not saying it’s a deliberate spread of chemicals and it’s certainly not the mind control nonsense that conspiracy lunatics think. No, most combustion products are just waste with no real use. But calling it “just water” or “harmless clouds” can’t be entirely right unless you believe carbon atoms can just disappear.

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        Also all the CO2, clearly we should be banning these flying machines from spreading mass quantities of weather changing chemicals in our atmosphere.

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          We don’t have a good alternative to planes so it’s probably better to require the industry to offset its pollution. Not than anyone wants flights to be more expensive. But as usual the ultra-wealthy take the most flights yet don’t pay as much as they should.

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        The logic behind chemtrails is that evil governments or the rich Illuminati elite are intentionally spraying specific chemicals to control population. If argument was ecological impact of burning fuel, then we’d have to ban airplanes, not chemtrails. But that’s not the argument.

        Also it’s not water droplets or vapor, it’s most likely crystalized water vapor or droplets. Commercial airplanes fly at around 10km above ground and temperatures can get very low, we’re talking -40°C. It’s literally those videos where someone throws a pot of hot water up in the air outside during cold winter. It instantly turns into a white mist. Hot jet engines, cold atmosphere, burned fuel and vapor during combustion, would you look at that… CHEMTRAILS!

        Not to mention weight is incredible luxury metric on airplanes. If conspiracy people think commercial airlines would carry half the fuel on board and replace other half with chemicals for chemtrails, because reasons, yeah, they don’t do that. They actually rather not even fill the fuel tanks all the way if it’s not necessary for the flight and rather do it when airplane touches at the destination and they refuel it there. Because carrying additional weight consumes more fuel, even if that weight is the fuel itself.

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          Yep, I understand all that and agree with you. The chemtrail conspiracy people are unhinged.

          I’m just criticizing the statement that fossil-fuel vehicles are only emitting water, when we know for a fact that the combustion products are pollutants.

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            Well, I never said it’s JUST water. I just said water is the main component that freezes and forms crystals that appear as smoke/clouds in the sky from airplanes because water tends to freeze pretty quickly at -40°C.

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              I was responding to this part.

              Because chemtrails are basically just clouds. It’s just water vapor from the airplane engines condensing in cold atmosphere at high altitudes. […] Go out in the winter and breathe with open mouth. You’re now breathing out chemtrails.

              I agree with your reaction to the chemtrail conspiracy crowd who are clueless on science, but this is too oversimplified IMO.

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                I mean, I was just describing the part that most likely creates “chemtrails”. We weren’t exactly talking exact exhaust composition of airplane engine, just the part that is the cause of “chemtrails” which is most likely just water. Of course there is some uncombusted jet fuel, CO2, water, probably some CO and other substances that are formed during combustion and sent out the exhaust of the engine. But most of those probably don’t affect formation of “chemtrails”.

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    Planes issue horrible chemicals that cause all kinds of issues. Carbon dioxide, nitrogen oxides, etc.

    My understanding is that these bills would make that illegal. That’s good.

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      My understanding is that these bills would make that illegal.

      Pretty sure that the actual components of airline exhaust would be considered legal. They wouldn’t just ban all fossil fuel powered flight, they just want to ban the non-existant mind-control/climate manipulation they think the airplanes are doing.

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          The injection, release, or dispersion, by any means, of a chemical, a chemical compound, a substance, or an apparatus into the atmosphere within the borders of this state for the express purpose of affecting the temperature, weather, climate, or intensity of sunlight is prohibited.

          Key phrase being “for the express purpose…”

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              There’s not an express purpose of the emissions, the emissions are a side effect of combusting to propel the aircraft.

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        Coming soon: Non-toxic Chemtrail $tate Certifications. Fly here, pay here.

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      These people think that jet contrails are like, mind control chemicals being sprayed by airplanes flying over. That’s what they’re trying to ban, something that isn’t even happening.

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    Wait, I thought it was the government that was putting the chemicals in the trails in the first place, and now their making their own actions illegal?

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      Well, that’s the federal government and these are state governments. Of course not THIS federal government, they mean the other federal government, the shadow government. You know the one that disobeys laws, kills millions of people for financial gain, covers up the pedofilia and drug problems of their membership, ignores the Constitution, and is trying to change the world for their own benefit? Well not that one, the other one that tries to keeps everything functioning, root out corruption, and write rules to try and protect people. THAT shadow government. It’s evil dontchaknow and these new laws will definitely show them that the states won’t stand for it any more!

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        *offer not valid in blue states, like “The People’s Gay-public of Drugifornia”

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    As if something being real or not has ever mattered with regards to republicans trying to generate panic over a thing

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    How it used to be a fringe thing we can laugh at and dismiss, at a time when scientific documentaries were also entertaining and enlightening.

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      Conservatism was never a part of reality. The Dems just decided to join them in lala-land, and apparently the voters too…

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        Conservatism is just reactionary post modernism, nothing is real but their personal visceral reaction to some event, and historical events themselves are given innate mystical properties such as things “existing in a vacuum”, and the lovely “its just natural” analysis. Democrats are just really good slow walking reformists owned by capital interest.

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    Stop fucking flying so much then. You could always put those planes on the ground, on tracks. Imagine that.