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- BoycottUnitedStates@europe.pub
As tensions escalate between California and the Trump administration over immigration, another potential battlefront is emerging over taxes.
The spat began with reports that the Trump administration is considering cutting funding for California’s university system, the largest higher education system in the nation with about 12% of all U.S. enrolled students.
In response, Gov. Gavin Newsom wrote Friday afternoon in a social media post that California provides about $80 billion more in taxes to the federal government than it receives in return.
“Maybe it’s time to cut that off, @realDonaldTrump,” Newsom said.
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In a shocking twist rural Californian conservatives now want to pay federal taxes.
Ok, this is an idea I had after reading numerous comments on this post. You’re all asking how this would work … hear me out.
California declares its own currency, the “California dollar”. Wages earned in California dollars wouldn’t be taxed like US Dollars.
There are some issues to work out; I think the IRS does tax your foreign assets … some … but I think that this scheme could work.
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Soundish monetary policy. In the end it’s a fallacy that has never even been tried on a theoretical level. We just did it and people were like, ok. We’ve been kept afloat by monetary and military threats. The policy makes no sense on any level, that infinite debt is perfectly fine or normal.
What if they got into a monetary union with Canada and linked Calidollar with the Canadollar with the same value and entirely interchangeable the way the Belgian and Luxemburg franc used to work?
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I’m not a fan of Newsom, but get it dude.
I’m not mad at this at all I’m thrilled a politician is actually fighting back. He has a history of standing up against trump and the gop status quo
That said this is the first time there is any bite to it and the cynic/realist in me is saying it’s cause he is gearing up for presidential nomination and election. I really hope he is not the Democrat choice.
if the good wife/fight taught me anything the democrats already have someone picked out and priming public for itI just wish we had Bernie i wanna see that timline :'(
I want the timeline where Carter won a second term and the Christian nationalists funding Reagan realized their plan didn’t work and give up on it.
Just reminded me of “Sliders”…
i want the timeline where harris won lol
Harris lost before she ran. Not that she was a strong candidate, but the Dems could have ran literal Jesus, Trump was going to come back either way as long as big money was in politics. Maybe if they ran someone who at least promised change, they could have staved off Trump for another 4 years. Would they have sentenced him in another 4 years? Would anyone been able to get people like Thiel and Musk out of politics?
This will get worse before it gets better. I just hope most of it stays contained in the US.
Trump’s health has been declining pretty rapidly, especially his mental health. I won’t be surprised if he doesn’t make it to the end of this term. And if he does I’m not sure he’d be mentally capable of running in 2028
Unfortunately, they tend to try harder when it doesn’t work the first time. The first attempts at the Prosperity Gospel, prior to WWII, were laughed off because it was so obviously self-serving to rich people. They kept at it until it stuck.
Or how about a timeline where we didn’t immediately give up on
RestorationReconstruction after the Civil WarEDIT: derp.
You’re thinking of Reconstruction. Restoration is just a worthless school of magic.
Lol derp. Fixed.
If history has taught me anything, the dems will run schumer.
No way, Amy Schumer?!!1?
But yeah history is better data than the good wife lol
In just two days I got my answer.
Trumptard is really really really really trying to start a civil war. Amazing :/
Fucking do it. I’ll cum buckets.
It’ll be like a firehose connected to a main
I don’t think I want a bucket coming out if that particular hole.
Prude.
Sounds painful.
Be sure to hydrate if you do.
I don’t think there’s really a way to do this, since federal taxes are paid directly to the fed without state involvement. This is just to poke the bear, which I am all for.
Yeah, given his history and it’s pretty fair to assume Trump doesn’t know that
Good. Keep poking until he has a heart attack. If he recovers, rinse and repeat until we get it right.
I’m all for it too, but keep in mind that successors to dictators are never better; only worse. It only ever gets worse.
~Hide your kids. Hide your couch!~
This dictator is the leader of the GOP, a cult of personality. That’s not easily replaced
This dictator is merely a puppet; plain and simple. The real Palpatine is someone else. Maybe it’s Putin, or maybe it’s Thiel. We haven’t gotten to that episode yet.
But this puppet is who the cultists at the bottom support. They won’t get their support for anyone else so easily, if they even need them at that point.
I would argue that now that the GOP has all three branches of government, Darth Trump is expendable.
Yeah but there seems to be something about this fucking guy. I don’t think his successor will have the same draw.
The hypothetical way to do it is severely penalize companies within California that pay federal tax. Make it so financially burdonsome they have to relocate or stop paying federal tax of their own accord. This is just what’s been suggested before when this has come up.
Companies, no. But the state employs a lot of people.
Still, the feds will come after the individuals, not the state.
And county, and cities
I thought you were going to talk about the physical improbability of cumming buckets.
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I’ve been thinking about this, and I’m afraid I agree. I’m not sure how you could enforce this. Paying federal tax seems like a personal choice and the consequences would be felt by individuals (tax evasion charges, unless trump manages to get it treated as a terrorist act). I’d be interested to see if the state was actually offering to shield CA citizens from being arrested by federal agents or subpoenaed by federal courts.
Also, for the most part the Fed already has our money, right? The majority of that federal tax is withheld from paychecks and goes directly to the Fed…
You can withhold paying your federal taxes from your paycheck. Most people don’t because they don’t want to get stuck with a big tax bill in April with no way to pay it if they spent that money or lost it on a bad investment. if enough people all did that at once, regardless of state, it could put a big financial burden on Trump. The government heavily relies on this steady source of income, and unless you make a lot of money, you are probably getting a federal return every year, which means you gave the U.S. Government an interest free loan of sorts.
You also get hit with an underpayment penalty if you do this and don’t pay estimated taxes too.
YES
I’m of the opinion that California, Oregon, and Washington should succeed and join Canada. Hell, New York and Massachusetts too if I’m indulging in this fantasy scenario.
All of new england pls
MOTHERFUCKING DO IT
Stop bending the knee to a felon rapist traitor who uses the military to assault American citizens.
Stop providing welfare to failing red states who elect felon rapist traitors who target blue states.
Ain’t happening anyway
What is a donor state?
Indeed, cbsnews. What is a “donor state”?
Maybe if you could use that term a few dozen more times, other outlets could pick it up and it would eventually back up into Fox News’ talking points where they’d have to either lie utterly, or risk their viewers’ comprehension that red states take money from blue states. Charity, let’s say. MAGA heads would temporarily be offline.
I’ve been talking to alot of people about something like this. If CA didn’t pay federal tax, and all of it went to state, CA would make more money. Don’t want to incite insurrection…but I think we could do alright by ourselves if push came to shove.
Yeah, but just wait for when King Trump makes California pay tariffs to trade with the remaining states! He’ll bleed CA dry!
CA doesn’t HAVE to export goods to anyone. you can deny sale to anyone.
Yeah he’d try, Smartiest Economier he is. interstate trade is generally critical, but a good chunk of agriculture in the U.S.A. is in CA (Powerd by water from the hoover, yes) throw in Silicon valley, Hollywood, and Napa, CA putting tarrifs on the U.S.A. would hurt too, maybe more.
The country will starve in a famine between that and climate change/mass extinction
I feel like the lady in Melancholia
Then CA negotiates trade deals with Asia and quits doing business with US altogether.
Don’t forget Canada. It would suck having to ship everything by boat to BC, but at least there wouldn’t be tarrifs anymore
As someone living in California, I could certainly use some more money… Doesn’t help my employer moved me here then reneged on my proposed salary. It’s very hard to make it here, but ultimately worth it. For me anyhow.
Doesn’t help my employer moved me here then reneged on my proposed salary
Look up “promissory estoppel.”
Holy shit this is immensely helpful for me right now, thank you so much. I actually have a meeting with the CEO this Friday about this while thing. I will be bringing this up. Thank you again, so much.
You may want to have a quick consult phone call with a labor lawyer before then. The company has an HR and legal team they’ve already consulted.
To add to that, just because they have legal council involved doesn’t mean that they’re not in the wrong and know it. You may just need to say the magic words to make them back down and a labor lawyer who understands your case will know what those words are.
You obviously may keep working there if it gets resolved to your satisfaction, so the support of a lawyer will help you play it cool while you negotiate. It’s easier to just be pissed if you know you’re being wronged but don’t have the language to clearly articulate how.
Let’s Fucking Do This
How much does the state government of California actually pay to the federal government? When we hear these things about states that pay more in federal taxes than they receive aren’t we normally talking about the individuals and businesses filing their federal taxes and then some of that getting back to the state? Most of this isn’t State money going to the feds. It’s the state money of the individuals within the state sending in money.
What taxes is the state collecting and then sending to the feds? At the state stops paying but the individuals keep paying then doesn’t really make any difference? Are individuals going to risk going to prison for federal tax evasion?
One thing that might be misunderstood here is that California not paying taxes wouldn’t harm Trump. Trump’s goal, made clear from a sum of lots of behaviors, is the destruction of the United States. Defaulting on its debt, zeroing its GDP, destroying the livelihood of its inhabitants, and ultimately killing its war machine, so that they can’t fight Putin’s army. California’s lack of payment may just hasten that goal.
I don’t think he is a puppet of Putin. I think he really, really likes money and power, that’s it. He does things to further his own grip of the country, thus increasing his power. Or, he does things to increase his wealth. Nothing more. He likes authoritarian leaders because they have more of a hold on their respective countries (a weird form of respect), or because they give him money (or expensive planes).
But if it’s not Putin’s fault,
- US people would have to face the reality that there’s stupid people among them
- and there’d be no “external threat” to distract from internal problems!
They’ll find a way to blame someone or something else. Cognitive dissonance and all.
It might put California on the track to surviving Trump’s destruction and becoming a civilized country opposed to Putin, unlike other US states.
I don’t think Trump is as much of a lackey that’s following the plan as he is a useful idiot that’s easy to manipulate. I believe that Trump believes that the US is the biggest and the best - it suits the same image he has of himself as the biggest and best leader - but he’s so dumb and narcissistic that he won’t realize that he’s being led on a leash.
I don’t think Trump consciously wants to destroy America, I think he wants to make it what he considers to be great (a militarily powerful dictatorship built on worshiping him), but he’s absolutely fine with making it weaker in the interim if it either:
A. Makes him gain something
B. Feeds his ego
