• Eugene V. Debs' Ghost@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      They failed and blamed BIPOC for their loss while white men and women are why Trump won. And I’m a white dude who voted for Harris.

      And then they claimed they support Black Lives Matter. Brown people matter if they win, they don’t care and will blame you if they lose.

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    Can we see something like this for ages, too? I heard stats saying that young men (maybe white men in particular) went heavily for Trump, but men ages 70+ went heavily for Harris.

    • -☆-@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      Awful that people would do that to their loved ones. I can’t imagine thinking of my wife that way.

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    Men as a whole failed to support their family, friends, and neighbors. We are the problem.

  • Psythik@lemm.ee
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    What the flying fuck is wrong with Latinos?

    When I was growing up in the 90s and 2000s, Latinos almost almost always voted democrat. What changed? How did they end up voting for the party that hates them the most?

    • VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world
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      Latinos, especially first generation immigrants, trend strongly toward being staunchly religious and socially conservative. As such, they tend to think Republicans, who are also religious conservatives, will be on their side. There’s also a subset of legal immigrants who hate illegal immigrants. Add in that first generation immigrants often aren’t fluent in English yet and that creates a layer of information exchange that conservative news outlets can exploit; if you don’t translate the overtly racist crap the politicians say, you can make your audience rely on your white-washed commentary.

      As for the folks who’s families have been in the US for generations and who grew up fully bilingual in English and Spanish, I’m honestly not sure.

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        I’d also add that for young men specifically, there is an onslaught of propaganda manipulating their sexual frustration and insecurities into hatred towards women. Trump offered these men a symbolic victory against a world in which they feel they will never succeed financially or sexually. Young men from immigrant families are particularly susceptible to this, since their families are generally more socially conservative and adhere to stricter gender stereotypes.

    • OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
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      Because the democrats made the mind-numbingly stupid decision to pivot right like they always do, this time on immigration. No more, “Building the wall is racist,” no more, “No one is illegal,” instead it was, “We’re the ones who are actually going to build the wall, Trump’s all talk.” To this end, they attempted to pass a bill that would have greatly expanded the president’s ability to crack down on immigrants.

      They figured, as they always do, that everyone would simply fall in line behind them as the “lesser evil.” Instead, the result was that they undermined their argument that stricter immigration laws were grounded in racism (which they are, of course), and failed to distinguish themselves from the Republican position. Many Latinos have conservative positions on other issues, and, perceiving little significant difference between the two parties’ stances on immigration, they voted based on other, less important cultural issues where there was a meaningful difference. It’s worth noting that some people have the sentiment, “We came here legally so they can too,” and it was only when there was (correct) messaging that cracking down on undocumented immigrants was a slippery slope that would endanger legal immigrants that they were able to be persuaded to set aside other cultural issues. This messaging was abandoned because it was considered potentially alienating the the oh so precious (white) moderate Republicans, who also didn’t vote for them, because they’re nonexistent/unwinnable.

      This is one of many, many examples of how moving towards the “center” can alienate voters and lose votes, especially when it involves acting against your constituents’ material interests.

  • Sanctus@lemmy.world
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    If you’re white and on the left its time you started infiltrating these conservative spaces. I do, and as soon as they see you are white all you have to do is ignore 1 racist comment and these people open all the folds for you. Its time to get dirty with the people spreading the dirt. The right wanted a revolution? They’ll get it.

    • Makhno@lemmy.world
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      If you’re white and on the left its time you started infiltrating these conservative spaces.

      I’ll pass

      • Coskii@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        It’s not for everyone. The main reasons to ‘change sides’ so to speak is to simply get a vote in their primaries.

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          I get in there, once I’m trusted I talk about what they actually want from society, and then subtly make a pointed question if thats what the GOP is doing. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t, but I always get them to question things and thats the most important part.

          Soon it won’t be enough though.

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            Tried it; it doesn’t matter, in my experience. Conformity is way more important to these folks than they pretend, and once something like this starts getting traction, it gets labelled a thought crime and sealed away.

            • Sanctus@lemmy.world
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              Did you actually build a relationship? Or just talk to someone in public? If you dont get to a first name basis its not gonna work. Its ass but, a lot of these people aren’t hate filled monsters. The wools been pulled over their eyes. There is no consensus reality anymore. Most people aren’t equipped to handle that. I’ve converted only eight people this way, but thats eight minds that have been rehabilitated to ask questions and seek multiple sources.

    • Odelay42@lemmy.world
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      Buy guns, learn to use them safely and effectively, stock up on supplies to defend your family and community if the worst happens.

      You will inevitably interact with plenty of racists in that process.

    • bitwolf@sh.itjust.works
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      Believe me I have tried.

      They’re so scared of what they think is socialism, but what they describe is actually communism.

      They don’t know why either is bad, just that China has it and they don’t want it.

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        Yup, you back them into a logical corner which should cause critical thinking and doubt. Just turns into “what about this unrelated thing?” Five minutes into the discussion you realize you can’t convince them because they see politics as a team sport.

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      I’m barely keeping my sanity from fraying, the last thing I need is to make it worse by surrounding myself with people I hate.

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    In 2020 black males had 80 Biden - 20 Trump and black females 90 Biden - 10 Trump. I’m generally color blind but it’s hard not to see how american black culture is so much more attentive to contemporary issues and somehow pop culture managed to twist “woke” as a bad word. crazy.

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        Agreed but it is them who influence the pop culture.

        I’m getting quite old now it the anti woke progression was just wild to live through. Suddenly people started to realize that we have a lot of collective power and then everything turned around with anti-woke and anti-cancel-culture campaigns driven by afraid billionaires. I hope history doesn’t wash this away so I bare repeating.

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    I’m not even black and I’m super proud of y’all for trying you god damned hardest to pull this shit off.

    as a white guy to everyone else, I’m sorry the other white guys are so pathetic and weak they have to follow a conman that empowers them to be who they really are.

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