Don’t worry guys we’re not going to war.
Too late, we’ve been at war for a long time.
Well im not.
Bring your steam decks
Lan party?
We’re playing Counter Strike, and later, you’re in Counter Strike.
US reportedly also forgets the arithmetic of AD and MD efficiency, and the fact that there are countries capable of nuking it in response, and in case it uses a nuke against Iran those will multiply like mushrooms after a rain.
What do those acronyms mean
Air defense, missile defense
If they use a nuke on Iran then Russia will start popping a bunch of them on Ukraine. Maybe that’s Putin’s plan all along, get Trump to drop a nuke so it becomes a free for all.
Anyways, hope you know where your nuclear shelter is and you like canned food and iodine tablets.
I live in Russia, in Moscow, in a kinda golden (in Stalin’s time) place, so the shelter is right under me, its ventilation shaft exit is near the playground.
The problem is - nobody knows how the hell do you get in.
I do like canned food. I even had a small stockpile in 2022 when I thought things had gotten real and it’s time to prepare. Have eaten through it.
If it becomes a free for all, though, hiding from the physical effects will be easier than hiding from the social ones.
That oompa lumpa of ours just wants to drop a nuke. I vote we not and tell him we did. Also all of his press conferences and appearances henceforth will be accompanied by a 90’s sitcom style laugh track.
We could just show him videos of nuclear tests and he would probably fall for it. Fucking idiot.
Jokes and laugh tracks are how humans normalize things, if anything it needs to begin with ’attention bajoran workers’ and some eerie music.
Nuking them to prevent them getting nukes? Why do you think they want them in the first place? Now they will want them even harder. Should try to bribe their way into getting access to US nukes, just need a white supremacist asshole techbro to do the talking and they’ll give you whatever you want.
Unleashing megagodzilla just to stop godzilla. So smart you couldnt believe it. Very rational and very cool
Over the series’ history, the films have reflected the social and political climate in Japan. In the original film, Godzilla was an allegory for the effects of nuclear weapons, and the consequences that such weapons might have on Earth
I would have to think using nukes on a country that doesn’t have nuclear power would be a slam dunk illegal order. Like, I mean, if he says to do it, the guys that make that happen, top to bottom, should say, “No, this is an illegal order, and i am not going to follow it.”
If such an order is followed and nothing is forthcoming from some checking force in the federal government, I think i may have lost faith in humanity as a concept. This is the great filter. Can we be trusted as a species?
Upfront: it should be obvious that no sane person wants us to drop a nuke or thinks there’s any connotation of “okay” to any aspect of it.
Why do you think it would be an illegal order? There are very clear rules on what makes an order legal or not and, horribly, attacking a nation that poses no real threat isn’t on the list. What nations we attack is a policy matter, and the rules are very clear that the military doesn’t get a say in policy.
Explicitly targeting civilians for a strike on a city is where the line would be. Targeting something else in the city and deciding the civilians are acceptable collateral damage is right on the line. Legally, it’s entirely unambiguously evil morally.There are checks that keep the president from unilaterally launching a nuke. Unfortunately, the intent of those is to ensure the president is legally competent and actually the president, not to ensure he’s wise or rational.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Hering
The system has been explicitly designed to minimize the risk of conscience preventing a launch. Issue training orders where the firing crews have no idea if it’s real or not. Keep them on two week rotations where they don’t have access to the outside world so they wouldn’t know. Specifically select for people who will follow the order because it’s validcand legal, without considering the greater context. People who are legitimately confused but ultimately unconcerned with protests against them specifically doing what they do, including clergy from their own religion. (Actual story of an ICBM operators reaction to nuns protesting and attempting to block access to the missile site he was stationed at)
There is no doubt in my mind that if the order were given and the VP and cabinet didn’t remove him, that the order would be followed.
I suppose what I mean is that he doesn’t just have a big red button on his desk labeled Iran that he can press when he chooses.
We’ve stood up a system over many years, and he’s just barrelled through every norm/law/etc. up to and including having his sentence reduced to 0 on felonies, simply because he’s a politician. If we cannot protect ourselves from this man launching a nuclear weapon, or even hold him responsible, then we don’t deserve to survive beyond our planet and the resulting catastrophic collapse of society may be the best thing for the universe overall.
I mean, technically, Congress has to declare wars. But no president cared about this since WW2
People think everything they don’t like is illegal.
Don’t get me wrong, it should be illegal to do a preemptive nuclear strike, it just sadly isn’t.
It might not be feasible for the entire chain to have the information needed to make that call, but there is definitely someone in military authority positioned to know if it’s defensive or offensive, and that person should be both allowed and obligated to refuse the order if it’s an offensive strike.
Morality and the law may not be equivalent, but it would certainly be more convenient if they were closer.
Seems to me, like there is EXTREMELY, next to zero, or perhaps zero reason to ever HAVE to use a nuke. Nuke’s should be a defensive deterrent, not a first choice. I’m sure the military has plenty of other options.
If you are not ready to use a nuke ever, it stops being a deterrent. Game theory.
But this situation is not the kind where a nuke is used as a deterrent. If Israel was saying they’re sorry and asking for ceasefire, while Iranians would be absolutely destroying what remains of it and not listening, then yes.
Or, if Iran had a nuke and Israelis were succeeding in destroying Iran.
But neither are true.
There are 13k ton bombs that can penetrate pretty deep dropped by B2 bombers, which might be headed to the ME right now.
The B2s will be flown into Diego Garcia. The only time they will be in the middle east is if they are over a target. Hopefully they stay in Diego Garcia.
I’m sure the military has plenty of other options.
The other option is the GBU-57 bunker buster bombs, which is what they used - but a single bomb like that isn’t capable of reaching deep enough on its own. So they had to use a significant portion of their stockpile to achieve their objective that way.
The alternative would have been to drop in special forces and have them break into the heavily defended facility the traditional way.
Oh honey, read some of the norbert weiner type of nuke cult guys, and their Soviet counterparts.
This is a rabbit hole nobody wants anybody to ho down.
hole nobody wants anybody to ho down.
If this series of murderous far right zionist military adventures proves anything, its that American politicians will ho themselves down any hole.
And have before, but some of them are…
Yeah no hipocrisy and double standards whatsoever /s
What if you bomb the entrances?
It would help to some extent, but they’d have to keep bombing the facility consistently - and indefinitely - to keep it out of service.
I wonder what the rate of bombing would be needed to keep up with modern excavation techniques. Though I imagine there are too many variables to say anything meaningful.
None of us really have any power to change what’s coming. It is what it is.
I like to take comfort in the fact climate change is going to collapse civilization and drive the human race to functional extinction anyway, so none of this really matters.
Let the nukes fly. Better to die in a fireball than from starvation.
LFG.
Someone got a few inches away from changing it, fwiw. Get your ecofascist doomer shit out of here.
Don’t let Kegseth drunk drop it
Shit who’s this vputin guy in our group chat?
I checked if this was the onion after reading the title
If the United States drops a nuke, the world needs to unite against us.
The right has been talking about nuking the Middle East for decades. They now have “one of theirs” (a “common man” who believes in the things the common MAGA believes), who is just stupid enough to actually do it. I’m taking things day by day.
Nothing like nuking a part of the world you don’t know shit about. They probably think it’s a piece of desert with Disney characters (mostly centered around the capital of Agrabah and capable of hiding) and evil terrorists hurting our good Israel.
Beyond parody (for nearly a decade at this point).
Thanks, I hadn’t seen that. To be fair if they really have this itch to bomb a city, let it be Agrabah.
That magical energy they are developing can’t be only for peaceful uses. They must be stopped! We should oust the current government and help Mr. Jafar be Sultan, I hear he’s a very modern and business-friendly guy.
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Maybe we need to unite against ourselves too, can’t just hope on others to do the right thing, gotta pitch in.
Correct. Im sure half the country will join the resistance and fight from within. We do need to handle our own, but im talking about nukes.
The world should do that now.
They kinda already are, looking at Gaza vote in UN.
The West for the most part isn’t. Relations between Europe and America have gotten more antagonistic, but for the most part the former is toeing the latter’s party line.
I’ve recently seen a pic with election results in Germany, and it’s spectacular - one block leading in former FRG, another block leading in former GDR (AfD), and it’s very clean.
If you think about it, “Europe” has lots of political stability. No democratic uncertainty whatsoever. AfD pretends to be that, but really after that map I can’t think so.
And the elites are fine with the way US is choosing. They’ll just be the next on it, tinker a bit with the new stuff for their own convenience, soften some sharp bits.
It’s rather that the rest of the world should unite against the west until it’s too late. Pakistan and DPRK should share their nuclear toys so that everyone had a nuke.
The coalition of anti-western states, mostly totalitarian and not very nice, would in some bits work like Curtis Yarvin’s (I know it’s mostly wrong people dreaming of it) idea of paradise - the right of exit (changing a country among them) would de-facto exist, and every such state having nuclear deterrence would mean that those more attractive for immigrants won’t be pressured to stop, which will mean slow evolutionary change for more liberty.
I personally think that (at some point) open immigration is what made the USA more democratic (except racism). Getting more and more different people of non-elite background willing to build a new life is a powerful source of constant hardly predictable change.
It’s sad that I can’t explain these ideas to people closest to me in their worldview, they are just a bit too conserved in their understanding, and for them I’m picking cannibals over “imperfect civilization” for some abstract benefit. But how is that different from “white man’s burden”, I’m not sure, except “white man’s burden” implied some responsibility for what you’re doing, and Kipling was kinda sad the British empire didn’t find that responsibility in itself. I think it’s the same or worse and the more cynical people understood this earlier.
Eh, if threatening nukes and vetoing Gaza ceasefires in the UN is all the justification we need, then we all should have united against China and Russia. That’s the real crux of the issue, here, is that even as the USA is spiraling it’s really only as bad as the other two top military powers at worst.
Dumbo with the big ears is pulling the strings of the empty-headed Scarecrow.
What a shitty country.
Iran’s a shitty country.
Why?
(not who you replied to) We can be anti-zionists without being pro-Iran. They have a horrific history of human rights abuses. Their sovereignty is being violated, but their government is not a good one.
No no. Not pro-Iran government, just curious what the specific reason are for calling it a shit country.
Trump cheated to win the election. Most Americans are against him.
edit: I’m not just saying this, there’s evidence to suggest it
However, yes, the country is shit right now. I agree.
Most Americans might be against him, but the majority of those that voted voted for him. People’s apathy and the DNC continually being useless helped Trump win.
Most Americans are against him
Most Americans should have showed up to vote, then. Or not protest vote for a limp-dick 3rd party. As far as I’m concerned, most Americans are in support of what he’s doing, because they didn’t show otherwise on election day.
He has an almost 50% approval rating from Americans so while you’re technically correct, that’s still a ridiculous amount of Americans who like him
That’s not the statistic I’ve seen. It was in the 30s last I saw. Among Republicans it was still fairly high, like 60s, and higher among MAGA, but the general public was much lower. Can you cite a recent source for your number? Otherwise, I’ll bolo for some updated numbers.
These are the stats I found:
- According to the most recent Gallup poll, Trump’s job approval rating was 43% in May.
- The Economist shows that 41% of people are favorable of Trump and 53% are unfavorable of him, according to the latest update from June 20.
- Rasmussen Reports poll from June 20 showed 52% approval and 47% disapproval of Trump.
- The Morning Consult tracker poll taken mid-June has dropped to 46% approval rating and 52% who disapprove.
- A Reuters/Ipsos poll reported that, as of June 16, 42% of those surveyed gave him a favorable approval rating of his performance in office.
- An InsiderAdvantage poll taken between June 15-16 showed Trump with 54.4% approval over a 44.1% disapproval of his job performance.
From here
Ffs, by what half baked metrics are people rating that guy?
Nice work, mate. Good on ya! (I’m watching Bluey with my kids right now) Looks like I’ve been outdated.
Well, the rest of Americans need to wake tf up. It’s going to take most of us to right the ship. Fuck the rich, fuck the racists/sexists/homophobes/etc., and fuck any MAGAts who somehow aren’t covered by the previous.
Fuck the rich, fuck the racists/sexists/homophobes/etc., and fuck any MAGAts who somehow aren’t covered by the previous
100% agreed
Lol. No. Fsce rey reality of your country, otherwise you’ll be unable to fix it.
The only voter demographic that saw a decrease in the last election compared to 2016 was white men. If you’re going to cry “rigged election,” then you’re undermining democracy in exactly the same way the MAGA crowd does.
Most Americans are against him.
I’ll believe it when I see it. What I see is Trump and his ICE Brownshorts running all over the place with almost zero resistance.
