It would be nice if tipping was just gone, and everybody got paid a living wage, like in most of the rest of the world. We’re in a Nash equilibrium right now where if you don’t tip, you’re an asshole. Other people might even tip more if they hear about it, which reinforces the status quo. So I keep tipping well, and disliking that we’re stuck here.
How can we end tipping culture and just have everyone be paid a living wage?
I tip if it’s delivery or table service (food) because the minimum wage rules are bullshit.
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We no longer really eat out and stay away from anything that involves tipping as unfortunately its been put in to allow lower wages. So no uber, grubhub, whatever and no dining in and carry out places that show a tip option are places we don’t go to anymore. I know we are extreme but it just got out of hand and I mean. If all americans did like us. Well tipping would one way or another go away (some businesses would fold and some would remove the practice).
Pure selfishness. I feel great when I tip big.
If I was ever forced to tip, I’d just transfer the entire amount to the tip and change the bill to be free.
If the business complains, I’d just say their service wasn’t worth it, but the worker was doing a great job.
What is that gif even supposed to mean
we currently have a federal minimum wage in the USA that is extremely low, but that minimum wage does not apply to servers at restaurants.
raising minimum wage, capping the ratio of CEO pay to average employee pay, and allowing everyone in the US to benefit from a minimum wage would probably get the tipping beast to slow down.
if we knew all servers were making at least $30/hr and their big boss was not making more than $750/hr (25:1 ratio - a shitty ratio for CEO pay; this would be one of the poor ones) then i think tips would be a bit rare.
Minimum wage is meaningless. Sure it is low, but it is a minimum not a maximum. Labor obeys supply and demand laws, which is why you can’t find a job around me for less than twice minimum wage even though it is allowed.
I get what you’re saying, but minimum wage really isn’t meaningless because if employers could pay us less they would.
Minimum wage contains just enough money that if you live an incredibly poverty-stricken lifestyle, you can just barely manage to scrape by by using all of your spare available energy to survive until tomorrow.
Escaping minimum wage as a lifestyle requires a fortuitous stroke of luck or the support of people who are not living the minimum wage lifestyle.
The more companies as a whole can crack down on the ability of the average person to escape from the minimum wage lifestyle, the more people they have available to subjugate into the minimum wage lifestyle and keep their own expenses down, allowing them to accrue more wealth more quickly.
By all reasonable means, minimum wage should increase to a compensate for the extraordinary amount of lifestyle creep and inflation that has stricken America over the last 15 years.
If that happened, more people would escape from poverty, meaning that there would be less money available for the richest people at the top of the scale.
if employers could pay us less they would.
they already are - servers are not bound to the federal minimum wage. they have a lower minimum wage for that specific industry… it churns my stomach :(
I’m pretty sure that if the tips work out to be less than the minimum wage that the proprietor of the establishment has to back pay them, the problem is enforcing that, because many servers do not report their wages or do not report a portion of their wages in order to avoid having to pay taxes on those wages, And as a former tipped employee myself, I have been indirectly told that if my tips do not bring my wages above minimum wage, that I would no longer have a job, because that would be indicative of my poor performance, rather than some sort of issue with the company itself.
So whenever possible, friends, tip in cash so that Uncle Sam doesn’t get to dip his dirty little fingers inside of the employee’s pockets that’s making $2.13 an hour.
If minimum wage was indeed meaningless, you wouldn’t have so many capitalist fighting to get rid of it.
If businesses weren’t regulated, they would bring back slavery since it is more profit on their bottomline.
The term is classical liberal. Capitalist is a strawman used by Marx to be some unrealistic thing they can knock down. Minimum wage is not compatible with the deep freedom message of of classical liberalism.
And mostly nobody is fighting minimum wage because it isn’t a factor - you can’t find someone willing to work for that anymore in most places anyway - which is to say supply and demand is working. They will fight increasing it because that is against the rules of supply and demand and ends up hurting the people who are the most disadvantaged.
Classical liberals were starting to fight against slavery before Mark was even born because it is not compatible with their freedom message.
Businessmen were against slavery before Marx was born as well - slavery is inefficient to a business. It is much more efficient to pay people to work and let them figure out how to get their own food and shelter. Slaves need to eat even when you don’t have work for them to do. Because of this the classical liberal message of freedom was an easy one to sell to business owners since there was no cost to them anyway. (many businesses are of course inefficient and so you can find businesses that had slaves)
I only tip if I got very good service. Something above and beyond.
Then stay home and make it yourself.
Nice attitude
A tip is only for good service. That’s it. It’s not about the wages. That’s the bosses job.
don’t like it ? that’s your problem.
You may not like the tipping system but it is the system in place. If you choose to not tip then you are making someone work for you for free.
If you want to make some ideological statement about the tipping system then don’t support businesses that use the system. All you are doing by not tipping is screwing over the worker. Nice attitude indeed.
Most places do tip sharing with support staff. If you tip under 5-10% for average service, the server is literally paying to serve you.
Helps that I tip in cash. The server doesn’t have to tell the boss that I gave the server a tip.
It hurts much more when you don’t tip at all, the one does not excuse the other.
Well, then provide good service.
It’s not a hard concept.
Let me explain what good service is for those you don’t understand. Let’s say I order a burger fries and a Pepsi with no ice. AndI want the burger, medium rare. But they bring it out well done. It would be awfully hard for them to realize it was well . So I would not ding them on the tip. As long as they were pleasant when they brought it out, they’d get a decent tip.
Same scenario but they’re rude when they come out. Well guess what they were rude probably no tip. Yeah, it’s supposed to hurt to get no tip.Provide good service. You get a good tip. That’s how it works.
Let’s say that I said no onions on my burger, but I want onion rings. And then there’s onions on the burger while I’m going look at this from a reasonable standpoint. Could they have reasonably known there was onions on that burger realistically? Sometimes when they bring the burger out, the top of the bun is already on top of the burger, so the onion might be hidden. Obviously, I would not ding them for that. But let’s say instead of onion rings they brought french fries. Well, that’s just not paying attention. Yeah they’re getting dinged on the tip. It’s supposed to hurt that’s the point.
Provide good service you get a tip. You go above and beyond , your extra nice. You over hear what we’re talking about at the table and realize hey maybe there’s something else on the menu that we didn’t spot that ties in with what we’re talking about and you offer that. That’s going above and beyond. Probably getting a better tip.
I’m not sure how people are confused on this conversation and somehow people think that the tip is mandatory. The tip is never mandatory. I care what people want to believe or think or feel. It ain’t mandatory.
I’m not sure how people are confused on this conversation
Probably because you can’t keep your own point straight.
You started off here:
I only tip if I got very good service. Something above and beyond
And now you’ve moved here
Provide good service you get a tip. You go above and beyond… Probably getting a better tip.
Which is it? Do you only tip for very good, above and beyond service? Or do you tip for good service, and tip more for going above and beyond? Those are very different claims.
Good service is doing your job: take the order in a timely and friendly manner, correct any kitchen mistakes. That deserves a tip. Above and beyond service deserves a higher tip. Rude or otherwise bad service deserves a lower tip, none at all of service is bad enough.
If you’re not tipping for competent service because they didn’t sufficiently supplicate themselves before you, you’re just giving yourself an asshole discount.
Even with places that don’t have tips some weird North Americans demand for it to be implemented.
It’s not their fault that greedy muthafuckers simply take take take. I can’t fix the system, so I simply do what I can.
Because it is expected and so not tipping is ripping someone else off.
It’s infuriating that the tipping culture is trying to spread to europe as well. I live in Finland and went to a restaurant a couple of weeks ago and while paying the bill the payment machine (or what ever it’s really called) had the audacity to ask whether I want to tip or not.
No. I don’t. The wages of the waiters do not suck here as they do in the states. They’re not the greatest, but you get by.
I don’t go out to eat a lot so I always tip very well unless the service is terrible.
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I don’t. I try not to eat at places that don’t pay their employees a proper wage and try to subsidize it through encouraging or even requiring a tip. I rarely get fast food, either, because it’s way more expensive than just cooking for myself.
