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Raise your hand if you’re tired of Americans playing the victims while doing nothing
Raised, but I feel like one of them. There’s so little I feel like I can do. I was going to go to a protest but wound up taking a group of scouts to the Indian Museum. Felt like a much better, and more impactful use of my time, and it was magical watching those kids hang on the words of our tour guide, as she told us the story of how they won their land rights.
But that’s the long game, and I am terrified that the short term battles are not being fought.
So many of my friends have just given up, waiting for the next election to fix it. I don’t have any faith that will work though.
I just want free public transit, affordable housing//rent/food/bills and some free time to actually enjoy being alive, is that too much to ask?
Fill your bottle with one hand while working with the other. Don’t bother washing your hands, they’ll return the merchandise you’re mailing out anyway.
/s if you really need it
Republicans: Yes, you entitled whiny millenial. Also, no one wants to work. Also you are probably a groomer.
You filthy communist.
-actual nazi magats
Republicans and Democrats*
Which is worse, the person who says they want to hurt you and then does it, or the person who says they want to help you and then doesn’t? Progressivism is still a beneficial ideal, and some Democrats fight for it, while others pay lip-service because they will say anything to be elected. But Conservativism is a plague upon humanity, leeching resources and power to feed those willing to harm others to get it.
So yeah, you can blame the mostly corrupt “good guys” along with the fundamentally selfish “bad guys,” but that doesn’t make them equivalent sides.
Dems deliver, but it’s always “n n not good enough” for certain people.
Inb4 replies: The Dems need all 3 houses to pass anything. They’ve had that for, drumroll please, 4 years of the last 24 years. That’s 2 years under Obama and 2 under Biden. Go back further to include Bill Clinton and it’s 6 years of the last 32 years. Go further and it’s 6 years of the last 44 years. And you wonder why progress is slow?
Dems deliver
hahahahahha.
Bullshit. Conservatives have done just fine getting everything they wanted without all three branches of government. Democrats are bad at politics, and there are enough corrupt Dems to destabilize the whole party.
That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t vote for Dems. It means we should expect more from them.
GOP by and large wants to block things from happening. They want to hit the big giant pause button on society. And blocking things requires, drumroll please, only 1 of the 3. That’s it. If the GOP has a single 1 of the 3, they can stop literally everything.
Passing bills requires all 3. Stopping things from passing takes 1. Also known as: it’s hard to build things up, and it’s easy to tear things down.
Yes, agreed, it is easier to obstruct than it is to lead. But Conservatives have been far more effective at both. It’s like a tug of war where one side isn’t holding on to the rope. It doesn’t matter if we’re trying to gain ground or just minimize the damage, Democrats suck at both.
I’ll point you back to the math. 6 years in the last 44 years.
And yes cons fall in line. It’s a saying for a reason. Left is an assortment of infighting and protest non voters. Want more? Then make sure then they can win without catering to the center. Again see the math.
You mean delivering NAFTA, sending all the US jobs oversees, which makes up a lot of the rot today, thanks to Clinton? Or do you mean Obama, who bailed out the banks for causing the biggest housing crisis, displacing people from their homes, who turned around and gave all their CEO’s bonuses? The Obama who did nothing to help the people with no homes and did nothing to prevent round two, which analyst predict will happen again, soon? Oh yes, that slow progress.
The uni-party system is corporate/oligarch controlled and corrupt.
Clinton ran on it’s the economy stupid. It’s practically a miracle that anyone wins against an incumbent. But I have to mention this part “You mean delivering NAFTA, sending all the US jobs oversees” Lolololololol. In case you don’t realize, Canada and Mexico are not overseas. China trade was Nixon. Clinton did what now seems impossible: balance the budget.
Obama. Like it or not but bank failure would have turned the great recession into the 1930s depression. You being mad about this just tells me you want to rage instead of think logically. That’s twice so far (nafta overseas was the first). But anyway, Obama delivered Healthcare which you conveniently leave out.
Yeah it’s clear you just want to rage, so this is my only reply. So I say it again: 4 years of control out of the last 24 years. Want more progress? Then you need to vote them in more.
Do they deliver? Did Biden “cancel all student debt for an entire generation” like he said he would? Did the Dems stop sending weapons to back a genocide? Did they get Medicare for All? Did they make housing affordable? Did they stop our overseas torture programs? Did they stop drone-striking children?
Because I don’t remember them delivering any of that.
I don’t wonder why progress is slow, as it is pretty clear: The Republicans are regressive, and the Democrats mostly impede progress.
Clinton delivered a balanced budget. Obama delivered healthcare - his reward was to lose majority for the next 6 years. Biden delivered most of Build Back Better, the first student debt relief was blocked by the court but another bill was passed that delivered a ton of debt relief. I thought you were just the nnnnot good enough, but honestly I think you’re flat out ignoring everything. And that was with only 2 years each.
But why didn’t they just solve everything, everywhere, all at once, forever and always! Right? Like do you even hear yourself?
Obama delivered a terrible, watered down healthcare change. Biden could have pushed a lot more money out for student debt relief, but thought that spending the money on the border wall and weapons for Israel was more important.
They could have done drastically more, but spent those 2 years sucking up to corporate doners, and giving consessions to the Republicans instead.
You may think that “please don’t bomb children”, or “please stop giving our tax money to the rich” or “maybe medical debt shouldn’t be the biggest cause of bankruptcy in the US” or “please, make education affordable” is asking too much, but I think it’s not asking enough, and the Dems wouldn’t even deliver on those. They could have, but chose not to.
And back to n-n-n-n-n-not good enough. They were pretty good. Want more? Then vote in more reps so Lieberman can’t water it down. Biden pushed a ton and got a ton of debt relief. First one blocked? He kept pushing. Honestly what are you on thinking he didn’t push for it, it’s back to ignoring.
Yah you’re all over the n-n-n-not good enough. Things take time to draft, write, negotiate, and pass. I seriously wonder what industry y’all work in that you think these things can be done easy peasy in no time flat.
So we’re back to: Want more? Then give them a majority more often than 6 years of the last 44 years. Seriously, let that sink in. 6 measly years out of the last 44 years. That’s nothing. Want supermajority? Then it’s 2.5 months out of the last 44 years. Not 2.5 years, 2.5 months out of the last 44 years. Since 1980. Frankly it’s amazing that we’re not in a worse situation.
Ok this is going nowhere, I keep pointing out what they did and you keep ignoring/nnnot good enough. So the last bit I’ll say to you: Nothing will ever be good enough for you. You have all your excuses lined up and keep at the same thing no matter what’s said. This is why I think catering to the left is a fool’s errand. They will never show up. Never have, and any conversation like this shows they never will. They will go after the center voter instead. Congrats on the biggest self own in history. Ciao.
Yes, I’m not ashamed to say that I think a party that backs a genocide, bombs children, and screws over it’s voting base is not doing good enough. Especially when they seem to have plenty of time to help out the other party, and their corporate doners.
They’ve had plenty of time and opportunity to fix plenty of things, but chose not to. You keep saying that they “only” had 2 years, but I saw them waste those years.
You are also correct: I will never show up for a party that wants to bomb children, or picks a rapist as their candidate, or backs a genocide, or continuously caters to the rich instead of their voters. Why would I support a party that fights against what I want?
edit: Also, when have the Democrats catered to the left? I see them consistently run to the right, but I usually only see them “cater to the left” verbally, on stage when they want votes. Once elected in, they immediately turn back to the right.
If both sides are ruining the future, it also matters which one is worse if you have to choose one. In this context, you dont need to choose only one
Both are still bad though, and progressivism shouldn’t just be an ideal it should be action and resistance against the status quo. The Democrats and their Neoliberalism is harmful. Maybe not as bad as Conservativism, but also still bad.
Republican and and Democrats*Humans
BoTh sIdeS!
Not both sides, Dems are barely left/center and have qualities shared with the right. I support far left politics
- conservatives
The letter doesn’t matter, their policy positions do
Come on everybody. Pointing out that the Democrats are also failing us in different ways is NOT bOtH siDEz!!
Definitely
Ignoring the problems with democrats and only focusing on just how terrible republicans are will only lead back to where we are right now
It’s a vicious cycle
Yes it is because the degree of damage caused are different orders of magnitude.
So you admit you are siding with a party thats actively damaging people. I count that as progress.
Tankies like yourself have done the most damage by dissuading people from voting for Democrats and giving us the shitstorm we have now. Get fucked.
The Democratic leaders dissuaded people from voting for Dems by putting up terrible candidates, and terrible policies, after openly fighting against what their voter-base wanted. It’s been my experience that telling your voter-base to sit down, shut up and accept table-scraps is not a winning strategy. Maybe the Democrats should try a different strategy, like, I dunno, fighting for what their voters want.
Hard disagree. War crimes lite is still war crimes and UNACCEPTABLE, and shameful, especially from those that would call themselves dems. Whats tolerated is whats encouraged. You normalized and permitted those crimes and have pissed all over our democracy in the process. Palestinian blood is on my party’s hands because of your weakness and idiot biden’s open corruption.
As to your telling me to get effed, I only accept criticism from those I respect so whine all you want, criminal. Sounds fine to me. I’d sooner listen to the opinions of a two year old child than an election losing centrist Dem like you.
Likewise your opinion is dogshit to me. I’m glad the Palestinians are doing so much better under Trump. Blocking you now tankie.
Blocking you now tankie.
hooray!!
Two accomplices are responsible for the damage, one does the deed, the other intentionally puts up ineffective resistance to those deeds. Our legal system has a term for this: accessory to the crime. It carries significant penalties for a reaaon.
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This is a long standing plan mainly by the Heritage Foundation and the GOP. Musk hacked vote tabulations to deliver them a victory and they’re quickly dismantling America. They stand to inherit lifelong positions in the government without actual elections similar to Russia. There are less than a few thousand people responsible for all of this. Societies degrade rapidly under these scenarios. Remember them when if that happens.
Musk hacked vote tabulations
No he didn’t. Unfortunately, americans are just that stupid. Thats the same rhetoric conservatives were trying to use when they lied about dominion.
Ramapo 35 had democratic senator winning 80% of the vote and Harris received 0 votes. There is a lawsuit currently about this.
Not me. I’m indifferent about the Monarchy, and at least it means we don’t have a President as they have an uncanny habit of becoming dictators.
And by protest-non-voters.
Muslim and Arab Americans in Dearborn who listened to Kamala promise to kill their brothers and sisters in Palestine and Lebanon with utmost lethality, and decided not to vote for her, are the reason for America’s burgeoning fascism. Thanks for the top analysis, chief.
Exhibit A.
Exhibit A what exactly? You really think he should have voted for the dems? I would have called him a hypocrite if he did, pretending to care about Palestine but still supporting the DNC
… Exhibit A of a protest non voter.
I don’t blame non-voters, disenfranchised from the uni-party system. It is the job of the politicians to work for the people, not the other way around. The politicians act like they are a celebrity, and we should bend a knee and vote for their scraps. Give the non-voters something to vote for, and they will be back.
Well you sure showed those politicians
Non-voters is different than protest-non-voters, who are very much wrong in thinking protest non voting will effect positive change.
For the rest https://lemmy.world/comment/17900385
Voters are not your slaves. They owe you nothing. If you’re a politician and you can’t get people to support you, that’s on you. No, you can’t just point across the aisle. Someone else committing worse crimes doesn’t excuse yours.
We have to stop falling for the extortionists. Corporate Democrats are extortionists, nothing more. They’re no different than a mobster that says, “nice house there, would be a shame if something happened to it.” That’s literally their strategy for winning elections - “well, I’m not going to do anything for you, but the other guy will be even worse!”
Stop telling people they have a duty to vote for criminals and extortionists.
Hey I remember you, you’re the guy that just tried to pass off “Gore was going to invade Iraq!”.
So, strawman fallacy. I did not say or suggest that voters are your slaves. What I said is that protest-non-voting is wholly and completely ineffectual at positive change. More of your hammering different things together I see.
Corporate Democrats are extortionists,
More nutso.
Stop telling people they have a duty to vote for criminals and extortionists.
More strawman. See above.
criminals and extortionists.
More nutso.
I don’t think you read what I linked. Here you go:
Dems deliver, but it’s always “n n not good enough” for certain people.
Inb4 replies: The Dems need all 3 houses to pass anything. They’ve had that for, drumroll please, 4 years of the last 24 years. That’s 2 years under Obama and 2 under Biden. Go back further to include Bill Clinton and it’s 6 years of the last 32 years. Go further and it’s 6 years of the last 44 years. And you wonder why progress is slow?
Ciao.
Corporate Dems getting a lock on Congress isn’t enough to get things passed. They always find a rotating villain to be the designated bad guy.
But yeah, go ahead and throw names like “nutso” around, as your ilk continue to lose election after elections with your tired and geriatric strategy.
You’re right I shouldn’t say nutso, I should say conspiracy theorist. Ok ciao.
I dont think you understand what “ciao” means.
Typical Blue Maga, turning to name calling. I bet you like throwing around words like “drumpf” a lot too.
someguy3,
I’m not a high paid politicial consultant, but maybe the DNC could stop running bad candidates with rightwing platforms?
I dunno. maybe its simply a matter of getting Dick Cheney up on stage with democratic party candidates instead of liz cheney. Or dem candidates should vow to kill all the palestinians faster than the republicans do. People of similar intent can disagree on minor implementation details without fighting right?
So DNC centrists and republicans should really come out of the closet and live your truth out in the open --and just become a single party. The republidems. And nothing will fundamentally change.The progressives can form their own party, and according to your philosophy, proceed to lose. What do you say, isnit it past time for DNC and GOP to merge and finally show the filthy progressives who is boss?
Boy that’s lot of messages from you. You must be hella mad. Yup, you are.
Its true, you do tend to set me off. Point taken.
I think you have me outpaced though for messages and length on this thread.
Just, ah, be careful of the angle you hold it at when you raise it.
And don’t leave your bite marks at a random fast food shop.
Indeed!
Can also raise it at your side to avoid the bad zone.
I’m tired of both Democrats and Republicans destroying the future, and people pretending Democrats don’t because they do it slightly less
Inb4 somebody starts saying you are just demoralizing people by saying “both sides are bad”
Now put your hand down if you’ve been doing nothing about it since 2016
How about tired of the uni-party system! We need real change, politicians who care about the workers, not corporations and their oligarchs.
Right on, no argument here.
Forwards from (liberal) Grandma.
Unbelievable that there are some Americans in politics who wake up every day and consciously decide they want to destroy everything around them.
Unbelievable that the rest of the Americans would rather just sit there and take it than risk literally anything.
Unbelievable that there are some Americans in politics who wake up every day and consciously decide they want to put their foot on someone else’s neck so that they can feel superior, even if it means they are worse off.
Ftfy
Yes, thank you! You got it.
Unbelievable that there are some Americans in politics that get off so much on being told ‘you owned a lib’ that they vote against their own interest and inspire baseless fear of normal human needs and rights.
It’s unbelievable that half the voters wanted it. It’s betrayal.
My grandpa killed Nazis so his son could become a Nazi
Title to a future song of a generation, right here.
✋🤚
