Disgusting pieces of shit. Reminds me of Jesus calling out the pharisees for praying in public, performatively. Not to mention they are going to ruin people’s lives with that bill! Poor people are going to die so they can cut taxes for the rich!
I think there’s a biscuit that they’re all looking at
Alright boys, whoever takes away the most rights gets the last one!
Do you win or lose if you get to eat the biscuit, or is it just a matter of perspective?
Circle jerkin 4 Jesus.
yeah I thought it looked kind of gay notthattheresanythingwrongwiththat
Sticky communion wafer.
PrayerCirclejerkIt appears to have worked. I guess that’s why they think it will work for mass shootings of school children to.
None of those motherfuckers are going to heaven.
I’m sad there isn’t a heaven for them to be excluded from.
If there were a heaven, it would 100% be only for wealthy people. Pearly gates? Golden streets? Nirvana? Eternal peace? That’s rich people shit. I certainly can’t afford that.
Heaven as a persistent idea in modern society is just a cope that rich people feed poor people through religion. It’s a structure for us to accept our miserable earthly existence in anticipation of future wealth so that the rich can enjoy all of the trappings of heaven on earth.
It’s just metaphysical trickle down economics.
kinda like an… opium? …of the masses?
You should trademark that.
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They got to be KKK wherever they come from?
Why is that infuriating? I’m not religious, but why would this not be allowed?
How would most people react if that was a group of Muslims? Or if the Satanic Church tried to do a small prayer there?
Most would be fine with it. It’s done often and both parties shit on someone last month for taking issue with it.
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/5337130-illinois-republican-mary-miller-sikh-muslim-prayer/amp/
The reactions to the Satanic Temple using pro-religion laws, and social media posts about public displays of established religions like Muslim prayers, show that most Americans do not approve displays of any religion except their own. With that in mind, the reasonable compromise is that there shouldn’t be religious displays inside of state institutions.
So instead of allowing members to pray in the legislature, you want them to go outside? That’s not inclusive of religions either. Not to mention they can call for a vote soon as all those whom are required by their religion to pray were mandated to leave to pray. I’m an atheist, but we need to let religion die on its own. Forcing it out will cause more problems than solutions. 30 years from now it will likely be rare to see it happen. But I’ll still stand by it being their right to practice on their own
I wouldn’t care. If they’re religious they’ll be following the morals and views of their religion. A little praying won’t change or harm anyone. No different to another group having a chat
We knew you were concern trolling. Thanks for confirming though.
We now know you will just shoot down any alternative opinion and pretend it is trolling. Thanks for confirming.
Separation of church and state is supposed to be a thing. Lawmakers praying inside the chamber isn’t separate at all.
They are jackass.
But this is as educated as screaming first amendment when a mod removes a post. Wow.
That’s not what that means. Separation of church and state simply means that the law doesn’t favor one religion over another. What you’re thinking of is the French formulation, known as laicite, which—you guessed it—is a French thing. It’s also based on some pretty problematic ideas that lead and have led to some pretty problematic results, so yeah.
For a non-French example, he’s the Australian constitution on the topic:
The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth.
Nothing at all about lawmakers publicly adhering to a religion.
If André Carson, Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib, and Lateefah Simon all prayed together in the House at one of the 5 daily prayers, during a vote, would the USA shrug?
Nope, it’d be another 911 to the R tards and they’d scream about it like bitchy toddlers from every podium they could find
Both Republicans and Democrats said Miller was rediculous for complaining about prayers
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/5337130-illinois-republican-mary-miller-sikh-muslim-prayer/amp/
Actually not surprising at all
they prayed after the bbb passed is happened
They’re praying to pass a bill that kicks 15 million off health care and starves children so a handful of billionaires pay less tax.
That’s what Jesus would do.So holy.
These people should be more holey
“people”
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They likely believe they’re doing all this in God’s name even though it is entirely against the actual teachings of Jesus.
He said also to the man who had invited him, “When you give a dinner or a banquet, do not invite your friends or your brothers or your relatives or rich neighbors, lest they also invite you in return and you be repaid. But when you give a feast, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed, because they cannot repay you. For you will be repaid at the resurrection of the just.”
Luke 14:12-14
The Bible is notably silent on government social programs. Many Christians have taken it upon themselves to believe that social programs are evil, that they perpetuate the problems they’re intended to address, that they destroy the nuclear family, etc.
They sincerely believe that they are doing good by getting rid of these programs because they want to see the Christian family and the church take the central role on these issues, not the government. Furthermore, they believe that a government which tries to solve all social problems and create a utopia for everyone is fundamentally evil, hence the phrase:
“Don’t immanentize the eschaton.”
I think it’s because these are people with the power to do more than thoughts and prayers. But they just stick with that while also taking health care off veterans and giving tax breaks to the rich.
That’s the power. They’re doing more.
Uh. This is absolutely a constitutional freedom. Would y’all be incensed if it was a Muslim congressperson (say, Rashida Tlaib) that was praying? Yeah, they’re hypocrites, but get angry about the hypocrisy and the Christian nationalism, not the expressions of religion.
Frankly, is this really the expression of religion? I don’t think so. At best, it’s the expression of hypocrisy, like anyone praying in public for the show and his personal expression of self-righteousness.
It’s still amazing that many Americans are falling for this and are so religion centered. My own brother-in-law is an American pastor and a huge selfish hypocrite.
I’m an atheist and a Satanist. I agree that these people are, by the measure of what the Jesus Christ of the Christian Bible is claimed to have said, hypocrites. At best. And yes, Jesus said that you should pray in private, and that people who pray in public so that they can be seen to pray have already received their reward. (Matthew 6:5 - “And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.”)
But it’s still a foundational civil right.
I never said they didn’t have the right to show us their hypocrisy. Frankly, the Buffon in chief is doing much worse than that.
I’m pretty sure the hypocrisy is exactly what is incensing about this photo.
Would y’all be incensed if it was a Muslim congressperson (say, Rashida Tlaib) that was praying?
Uh, yes? This shit should be as far away from politics as possible. I don’t want to see any religion’s prayer/practice in that building.
Constitutional freedoms–including religion–are a foundation for our country. If that’s not what you want, feel free to repeal the constitution, or move to a country that has a state religion instead.
Lmao. Foundation of your country is racism, slavery, oppression, and neocolonialism.
Feel free to read a history book that isn’t a full-blown propaganda some day. Your country always has been a christofascist state.
But whatever makes you sleep at night, ig.
I’ve read history books that aren’t full-blown propaganda. If you had read any, you would know that oppression and violence is the foundation of ALL western countries, and most non-western ones as well. The difference being that countries in the EU are more comfortable forgetting that their wealth was built on things like the exploitation of the Congo, the British East India Company, et al.
The founding document of the US though, which is what I was clearly referring to, established certain civil rights that the gov’t isn’t supposed to infringe. Religious liberty is one of those. This is notably not a right in most non-US countries; many EU countries have state-funded religions, and citizens are often taxes by the gov’ts to pay for those religions.
I didn’t say they aren’t allowed to pray, just not in government buildings. It’s literally the first fucking amendment (plus tons of contemporary writing from numerous founding fathers).
Yeah, no. That was never the intent of 1A. Individuals, or groups, are more than welcome to pray in government buildings, as long as they aren’t forcing that religious expression on unwilling people, using it as a religious test, or something similar that would amount to the establishment of a state-sponsored religion.
Students can pray in schools; teachers can pray in schools. Teachers can not compel students to participate in prayers, nor are teachers supposed to lead students in prayer (as that’s implied compulsion).
This shit is a cancer to liberal democracy.
The Supreme Court recently ruled on that case with the football coach, so I can’t say that I really give a shit what the current jurisprudence is on the issue.
Circle jerking it.
Looney tunes factory music playing all the way
All we need is a good horseshoe.
“Alright guys, someone very carefully look to see if the cameras are still here”
There’s nothing mildly infuriating about this. Just full on infuriating
If these people have their way, the USA will become a religious autocracy that respects human rights on a level comparable to that in Iran.
But only for men. Women will be treated like in Afghanistan.
Yeah so, fun fact, they got their way.
And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
Matthew 6:5-6
When you spread out your hands, I will hide my eyes from you; even though you make many prayers, I will not listen; your hands are full of blood.
Isaiah 1:15
I hate, I despise your feasts, and I can’t stand your solemn assemblies. Take away from me the noise of your songs! I will not listen to the music of your harps. But let justice roll on like rivers, and righteousness like a mighty stream.
Amos 5:21;23-24
But let justice roll on like rivers, and righteousness like a mighty stream.
Just to be clear, the “justice” being referred to here is literal genocide performed by the Israelites.
Eh, no? The transgressions are named in Amos 2:4-12; it’s the slavery, the way they treat the poor, the greed, and the incorporation of polytheistic practices like sacred prostitution.
Metal as fuck
There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.
Ezekial 23:20
(side note, while looking up this verse it brought me to biblegateway.com where it shows dozens of translations basically in a list, and here is what the MSG (The Message) version translated that one single sentence into:
“Her sister Oholibah saw all this, but she became even worse than her sister in lust and whoring, if you can believe it. She also went crazy with lust for Assyrians: ambassadors and governors, military men smartly dressed and mounted on fine horses—the Assyrian elite. And I saw that she also had become incredibly filthy. Both women followed the same path. But Oholibah surpassed her sister. When she saw figures of Babylonians carved in relief on the walls and painted red, fancy belts around their waists, elaborate turbans on their heads, all of them looking important—famous Babylonians!—she went wild with lust and sent invitations to them in Babylon. The Babylonians came on the run, fornicated with her, made her dirty inside and out. When they had thoroughly debased her, she lost interest in them. Then she went public with her fornication. She exhibited her sex to the world. “I turned my back on her just as I had on her sister. But that didn’t slow her down. She went at her whoring harder than ever. She remembered when she was young, just starting out as a whore in Egypt. That whetted her appetite for more virile, vulgar, and violent lovers—stallions obsessive in their lust. She longed for the sexual prowess of her youth back in Egypt, where her firm young breasts were caressed and fondled.
https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Ezekiel 23%3A20
How fucking creepy is that? First of all, the entire concept of this “translation” just seems like outright heresy, but what the fuck even is this?? Did the dude just read about massive dongs and it got him all horny so he wrote some Bible fanfiction in the middle of his “translation”?
Absolutely wild.
Edit: For people who don’t click the link: This is one single verse according to Bible Gateway. This is not an entire section, this is the verse I quoted above as translated by the dude who makes this “translation.” Or maybe Bible Gateway is wrong I dunno. Almost like having 3000 translations of your holy book dilutes it.
Edit: Because apparently people think I’d lie about something like this…
If you googled a single verse (this verse), and you saw this come up, how would you have reacted?
Metaphorically, the whore in that passage is Israel. You could switch out the Assyrians and Babylonians for the various nation states that arm Israel today…
Isn’t it so awesome that you can just make anything mean anything?
That translation is actually very accurate, but what you posted is 23:11-21, not just 23:20.
The Message is a “paraphrase” translation (“sense-for-sense”), which means it translates the concepts rather than just words (literal translation). Most Bible translations are literal translations, which is problematic because numerous connotative errors arise. Idioms, colloquialisms, and context are all lost in those translations. Today, the loss of context is often intentional, as restoring the context dramatically changes the meaning and puts it at odds with modern politically corrupted dogmas. To avoid those errors, The Message often translates groups of scriptures together instead of separately to achieve a more connotatively accurate english result.
If you were to read the same chunk of scriptures in another translation, you’d find the same content. Where The Message differs is that it attempts to translate idioms into modern (as of 20 years ago) versions, which often has hilariously anachronistic “how do you do, fellow kids” results.
That said, it’s one of the more trustworthy translations available, though plenty of grains of salt are still required.
Did you click the link? Every other translation is a single sentence. This is one single verse translated in The Message according to Bible Gateway. Why would they do that?
That said, it’s one of the more trustworthy translations available, though plenty of grains of salt are still required.
According to whom?
I’ll just leave these here. They’re the exact website you mentioned using.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+23&version=MSG
Why would I lie about something like that?
You conflated the way the website displays content (literal versus paraphrase translations) with the translations themselves (you literally painted the paraphrase translation as “fan fiction”). I clearly explained how the different translations work, that the content itself is the same for all available translations, and why the translations are likely to be displayed differently. Additionally, the website is freely accessible and confirming these things takes seconds.
But you appear to have ignored everything I said and then doubled down on your own bizarre take. And again, this is all easily verifiable in seconds on the website you, yourself, mentioned.
It doesn’t really matter whether you are trying to be deceptive on purpose or whether you are simply clueless and obstinate. Doubling down on a bad take after getting something so wrong makes for some potent fremdschämen.
Yeah I don’t think they’ve read that bit.
or any bit. pretty sure a bunch of them cannot read at all.
