and they are already jailing people
Codifying your genocide support into law. Nice.
if they promise to only paint things orange on military bases i think that’s ok
we’ll take their word for it
If there is ever justice for Palestine the trials will be short. These bastards are so proud of their support for genocide.
Can someone explain why so many countries support what’s happening in Palestine? Whats going on behind the scenes here?
I do think the situation is more complicated than Lemmy would have you believe.
Both Iran and Hamas have been geopolitical issues for a long time. And it’s worth remembering that all of this was kicked off by a large scale terrorist attack perpetrated by Hamas.
It’s also worth noting that Iran is a Russian puppet, and Europe obviously has some “neighbor problems” with Russia at the moment, so there’s a sort of baked in desire to oppose their vassal states.
And, while I think everyone would agree that the loss of civilian life is terrible, there is a huge amount of misinformation that makes it hard to be sure what’s going on. Hamas does have a long history of screwing over the civilian Palestinian population to further it’s political goals, and so people are willing to give Israel a little more credence than they deserve when they claim things like “Hamas was hiding in that hospital” or “we’re blocking aid because Hamas is hoarding it all to drive up tensions” or “it was Hamas who shot those civilians,” because it actually wouldn’t be the first time any of that had credibly happened. Something of a boy-cried-wolf scenario.
Add into that genuine desire to combat real anti-Semitism that’s been a fallout of this whole situation (a problem that hits pretty close to home in Europe due to events of the past century), and you can see why some people might be a bit over-eager to support Israel in this conflict.
It’s worth noting there are no good guys here. Israel is obviously in the wrong, and are committing horrible atrocities. I think that much is plain on its face. But Hamas and Iran have both had “the destruction of the state of Israel” as stated policy goals for the past 80 years. The reason Israel has the Iron Dome is because they’ve been getting missiles lobbed at them non-stop for decades.
And when there are no good guys, people tend to just align themselves with who they like more, or who they owe more to.
Both Iran and Hamas have been geopolitical issues for a long time. And it’s worth remembering that all of this was kicked off by a large scale terrorist attack perpetrated by Hamas.
Propaganda is deeply effective because most people’s world events attention span is like a dog that sees a squirrel. History starts at the chosen squirrel event, and of course, geopolitics is viewed as “Us the good guys” vs. “those who fail to obey us”.
Your rant was praised as balanced, but is simply the official justification for colonial apartheid turned genocide our rulers, in submission to our own colonial masters, dictate upon us.
That’s a really balanced comment and I’m sorry you’re getting downvoted for it.
And it’s worth remembering that all of this was kicked off by a large scale terrorist attack perpetrated by Hamas.
This is insane when Israel was killing Palestinians years before Hamas even existed.
The Nakba happened 40 years before they existed.
Israel has commited genocide and ethnic cleansing since the first day it was conceived and reducing this to “both sides are bad” because the Palestinian way of resisting is not perfect is not an fair assessment of the situation.
Yeah and you´re totally sane when you ignore what happened before that, of course. Extremists from both sides have been trying to put a genocide on the other to claim the soon-to-be-independent territory for more than a hundred years
Most western countries have committed genocide or invasion in very recent history. Either in the context of WWII, colonialism or economic interests. Countries don’t magically change over night. Wouldn’t it be more surprising if they didn’t support their ally?
Most
westerncountries have committed genocide or invasion in very recent history. Either in the context of WWII, colonialism or economic interests.Countriespeople don’t magically change over night. Wouldn’t it be more surprising if they didn’t support their ally?There. Fixed that for you. Dont have to thank me, its good.
Big Israeli lobby. Bribes and Epstein blackmail.
They are doing this because Palestine Action has been incredibly effective. They have already forced the closure of two factories in England that produce arms for Israeli defense company Elbit and forced Barclays Bank to divest through sustained sabotage campaigns. No person has been hurt by their actions, yet these actions have cost the genocide supporters millions of pounds and caused months-long disruptions to the production of weapons used in ethnic clean songs around the globe (Elbit weapons are fueling not just the Palestine ethnic cleaning, but Kashmir and DRC, too).
Wow protestors these days will stoop to the level of wisely putting pressure on major companies supporting genocide?!?
First property damage and now this??
clutches plastic pearls
Mossad has insane control over the world
In a “broken clock is right twice a day” type of thing, all the conspiracy theorists talking about how Jews secretly run the world have a bit of a point, although it’s specifically the Israeli govt/military and not Judaism as a whole. We, the most powerful military in human history, just hand them shit that goes bang for ethical (religious and lobbying) reasons and to actually hopefully bring about Armageddon. It’s disgusting
I think Jewish people were effectively invited into that position across much of Europe, back when the Catholic church forbade usury but the people still wanted banks.
Unfortunately for many Jewish people , some of their number became a major driving force for capitalism.
I hate evil.
change the name of your org, make them play wack-a-mole.
There appears to be something of a rebrand to “Yvette Cooper”.
Rename it to “Israel Action” (as in, action against Israel)
Then call them antisemitic when they move to ban it.
Well. You’ll just have to write it somewhere. In paint perhaps. Maybe on a government building.
Nonviolent direct action has earned them the label “terrorists.”
When the sentence is the same for non-violent protest and for actual terrorism, don’t be surprised if things get more extreme quickly.
Just more newspeak, like Trump calling everything he posts online “truths” while being nothing but lie after lie.
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“The closer the collapse of the Empire, the crazier its laws are.”
Marcus Tullius CiceroSomeoneCicero was world class complainer after all.
Grrrrr, he very likely didn’t say that.
The closest to it I could find is “The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws” by Tacitus (The Annals of Imperial Rome).
Cicero lived at the end of the republic, his problem wasn’t too many laws…
Bang on mate. It’s here in the “Misattributed” section https://en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/Cicero
Labour are class traitors.
So said Orwell many, many decades ago and people still vote for theae shitstains. There was some slight chance under Corbin but people want more Tory, so here we are.
Well Corbyn has just started a new party…
Has he actually because I keep hearing conflicting reports. A Labour MP left and claimed that she was joining a new party with Corbin, however I don’t think Corbin himself has actually confirmed this, and I thought he was done with politics anyway.
So this new party seemed to be carrying on the fine old tradition of the left being utterly useless at communications.
Well yes you are technically correct.
Zarah has quit Labour and Corbyn has said they will create something new. At this moment they are intending to create something new.
I wonder if any others in Labour or if any of the independants will join them. There should be a few and maybe they’ll have more than five members.
It’s important to remember that the headline refers to the group Palestine action, which has carried out vandalisation of historical pieces, occupations of property, destruction etc (see here). So it’s a group that fits the UK definition of an extremist group.
Some political groups (or even branches of them) can be political cults trapping members with coercive control It’s not always idealistic well meaning people. The court that decreed them an unlawful group will have seen a lot of info we didn’t.
I think we need to look deeper than the headline
It’s important to remember that the headline refers to the group Palestine action
Coming into this thread, thinking that you couldn’t legally support Palestine in the UK anymore, I feel like the headline was just a bit misleading.
Yep it’s total clickbait, it’s bordering on misinformation
It’s rather misleading, yeah, but also, “technically correct”?
While we are clearly discussing an actual criminal group and not just people protesting for Palestine, the implications from a decision like that are a bit wider.
Civil disobedience is a crucial tool for democracy, but it’s easy for that to be taken too far.
And at this time that Russia is waging a shadow war in Europe, we probably should be little wary of any even paramilitary-esque groups, despite how important it is to protest the genocide in Gaza.
Surely there’s still plenty of legal ways to do that?
Sorry I’m not sure I understand. Are you saying that the criminal group shouldn’t be banned because the genocide is wrong?
No, I’m not saying that.
It’s just sometimes easy to smudge proper protesters with criminal groups, and historically that has happened a fair bit.
Like people can make a new organisation and try to step away from the criminal one, but also what’s to prevent the criminal element from joining them as well, and then the same justification can be used to ban that group and on and on and on.
So honestly defining the point at which it could be argued to be suppression of political ideas is very hard to pinpoint, imo.
I understand your concerns. The courts need a lot of evidence to do that though, and it’s a long process. So realistically it doesn’t happen unless it has to
Yeah, I’m just a tad worried, that’s all. I’m not saying it’s a slippery slide.
Just you know. It’s not been a great direction the world’s been going so…
By that very definition the US insurrectionists should be reintroduced to jail
I’d personally class that as terrorism. And they absolutely should be in jail.
Double Jeopardy. You need to get them for something else… Not that it would be hard to find something, I guess
Look at the United Kingdom giving the United States a run for their money.
after brexit, nothing was ever the same, they fell for russian propaganda just like the US did, and us is basically going through the initial stages of “USEXIT”
After 1979 really, but more realistically the rot set in a bit earlier in the 70s when the banks were given the power to start cannibalising the economy and got away with blaming the damage on trade unions and OPEC.
Pretty similar timeline for US, i think more or less after JFK when they started destroying FDR legacy.
USEXIT
exit from what?
Dissolution of the Union I guess
The global economy.
hah, thats SLIGHTLY more drastic than the british comparison.
Sanity
home sectary put it with neo-Nazis. You don’t want to back neo-Nazis, do you?
I support Palestine action
Righto chap, hop in the prison lorry then!
I’m calling the rozzers
The Fingers noticed, the Nose is after you.
I’m more shocked it hasn’t already happened to Extinction Rebellion, Insulate Britain or Just Stop Oil.
But I guess blockading motorways and rocking up to art museums dressed like extras from a Wham music video and defacing paintings makes you less of a threat than wanting Netanyahu to stop his genocide of the Palestinian people.
They get too much money from it. The things you listed are visible and awful, But, money…
Still, calling blocking motorways and defacing painting terrorism is a stretch.
And that’s pretty much what Palestine Action did.
And that’s pretty much what Palestine Action did
Not quite.
three protestors from the group “stormed, scaled and occupied” an APPH drone factory in Runcorn.[33] Activists daubed red paint on the exterior, dismantled drone and aircraft machinery and destroyed windows
(…)
In January 2024, Palestine Action vandalised an office of the logistics company Kuehne + Nagel in Milton Keynes by smashing windows and spraying the building with paint
(…)
In May 2024, Edinburgh Palestine Action activists targeted a Leonardo factory in Crewe Toll (…) a spokesperson for the group saying, "In the early hours of Tuesday 28th May [2024], a group opened the box of cables, cut the internet wires, sprayed expanding foam inside the box
(…)
October 2024, Palestine Action targeted a factory in Bromborough, Wirral Peninsula, a producer of F-35 fighter plane (…) The action consisted of breaking through the roof and spraying red paint into cleanrooms, with a manager for Teledyne allegedly claiming "damage to the clean rooms could halt production for up to 12 months
They did proper sabotage as well.
In June 2025, members of Palestine Action gained access to RAF Brize Norton on electric scooters and used “repurposed fire extinguishers” to spray red paint into the engines of two Royal Air Force Airbus A330 MRTT refuelling planes
I think it’s also worth noting that this is the stupidest possible way of protesting against Israel and pro-Palestine. There are SO MANY weapons suppliers all over the place… But more importantly, Israel can do fine with domestic production when fighting Hamas/Hezbollah. They need external supplies for fighting Iran, sure, but this was all before that happened.
Yes alongside damaging historical artifacts
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Does free speech or democracy exist if the oligarchs/states that buy your politicians/rulers force you to support those states? What would Idi Amin do (perhaps most self enriching open corrupt ruler, or the narrative that gets pinned on a ruler who shifts away from US empire)? Or as in history, UK first decided it was illegal to oppose Idi Amin (support his rivals) to later being illegal to support Idi Amin?
“To know who rules over you, notice who you are not allowed to criticize”
IIUC, it is only Palestine support that is illegal. You may still advocate for UK/NATO war on Israel or at least elimination of support, and elimination of politicians who support Israel. Limiting speech to support for all wars your rulers prefer is the most oppressive of democratic speech.
It’s a particular group not Palestine in general. The headline is misleading
