As per title, I am curious. How does your mind / your thoughts work? I only ever experienced my own thoughts, so I’m curious how it works for other people.
I for one feel like my thoughts sometimes are like me talking to myself silently. Sometimes I can even let out a random short sound, which I’ve come to start disguising by laughing kinda quietly or coughing or whatever. Like it was part of something, and not like an inner monologue almost leaking out.
So, how do your thoughts work?
I have an internal narrator that doesn’t sound like a specific voice that is like a pseudo auditory representation of my thoughts. This mostly applies to reading or troubleshooting where I’m consciously working through stuff. It also means that something which stands out as incorrect is massively annoying, like people confusing lose and loose because I ‘hear’ it. Homophones are fine!
I can’t really picture things unless it is something I have seen many, many times. So no picturing something in my mind that I haven’t seen before. Most things I have seen before are mostly vague ideas and with minimal detail. Like I know a baseball has the stitching and it curves in a certain way, but probably couldn’t draw it. I know what my wife’s face looks like, but can’t quite picture it in my head because I don’t look at a singular photo of her over and over.
But I can hold relational information like many to one combinations and 3d space relative positioning but without the ability to see it. So I can generally figure out if things will fit together even though I can’t really ‘see’ them, I know they fill a certain volume relative to other things of a similar volume and that is generally good enough. Most things are measured relative to each other now that I’m thinking about it.
I have no sound, voice, or pictures in my head. I didn’t know that other people did see/hear things until a couple of years ago. Thoughts just come in chunks.
Me to. It’s called Aphantasia (no minds eye, so some or no pics) and Anendophasia (No inner voice). For me my thoughts are “just there” almost impossible to explain.
The way I explain it is: when you read, you don’t read the words aloud in your head. You look at them and register their meaning. My thoughts are just those meanings. Usually in larger chunks than single words though. They don’t have a language. I can ‘picture’ sounds I’ve heard before though, like getting a song stuck in my head. That one’s more difficult with pictures.
Uuh, yes, yes I do read them aloud in my head.
Same. And depending on what I’m reading I’ll sometimes use a specific voice…
Like if I’m reading a text from a friend I’ll “hear” it in their voice. Or I’ll make up voices for characters in a novel.
I think people are sometimes taught out of that since it slows down reading
I think it definitely does, but now I can’t not.
When I get a song stuck (which happens constantly) I don’t hear it; I just have the unrelenting urge to sing it.
This is not a good explanation because as someone already pointed out a lot of (most?) people do “read the words aloud in their head”. For me, I often even make tiny moves of my tongue and larynx - see subvocalization.
Interesting, everyone I’ve told this to said that is indeed how they read!
Does reading something quietly take as long as reading something out loud for you? It’s hard to imagine!
Reading in my head certainly takes the same amount of time as reading out loud (occasionally with different voices for characters, as somebody else said).
If I read without doing that it’s a lot quicker but it doesn’t go in and I have to re-read it. My mind starts chatting away about something else rather than concentrating on the book.
Super interesting, cause for me it’s the opposite! If I try to read it out loud mentally, my mind is (I guess) understimulated and starts to wander, causing me to have to reread it.
Side question: if you give text a voice, what kind of a voice are you giving my comments here? Not just asking you specifically, but anyone who wants to answer!
For me, there is kind of default neutral sounding voice for comments, but as soon as I get some kind of clue as to the speaker, either from language or punctuation patterns or if they say something about who they are- age, gender, nationality, etc., then the voice gets some more distinctive sound to it.
For instance, @ickplant@lemmy.world, who is the main poster in several communities I subscribe to, has a picture of Leela from Futurama as her profile pic, and she has mentioned that she’s a she. So obviously when I read a comment or a title she wrote, it’s in Leela’s voice.
Your comment seems energetic and friendly, so the voice is genderless and with a neutral (to me) accent, but with an energetic, friendly tone and cadence.
Mostly it’s my own voice for comments 🙂, maybe a slight inflection. I don’t usually go overboard on the voices unless it’s somebody I know, or occasionally characters in books.
If I’m actually reading with the goal of thorough understanding then it will take as long as reading it aloud or longer. I can still skim through the text faster, but I will understand less of it.
The Wikipedia article on subvocalization has a section on speed reading. It seems that subvocalizing can in fact limit the reading speed.
Thanks for the pointer, I’ll read the wiki!
If I read out loud faster than certain limit the pronunciation becomes gibberish. Silent reading is much faster. OTOH when I read out loud, I focus on speech, my attention and hence understanding rate drops. So it takes even longer.
For complicated writing I sometimes even have to re read silently to understand the complete meaning.
Hm so it isn’t like reading it out loud, except in your head, after all?
I’m not sure tbh. It can be but often it feels I’m reading the meaning of a word and not pronouncing it in head. These can be misleading easily. Writing, yes.
I couldn’t understand what it’s like for people who actually see and hear things in their heads. I recently realized that I sometimes experience a faint taste and I guess it’s sort of like that?
I can taste food ok. Too ok, I seem to be some sort of super taster. Everything is to overpowering.
It scares me to think you could have pictures or movies in your head that you may not wish to have.
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If I’m just casually thinking about something. In other words, it is a subject that does not require too much to come to a conclusion, then I actually think in words. That process can provide a solution almost immediately, to taking several minutes.
If I’m thinking about something that requires a lot of cognitive function, then my mind essentially goes blank. Either I no longer think in words, or the memory of what I was thinking about is not laid down in long term memory until I come to a conclusion. Or if my “sub-consciousness” took over the heavy lifting and my cognitive functions were left out of the loop. I honestly have no idea, but if it is something I am truly concentrating on, I will have no actual memory of the thought process that brought me to a conclusion.
Some of the most confounding things that I have had to think on, I literally slept on it and had a finished thought when I woke up. I have done that several times in my life. Again, not sure if it was just that I needed rest, or if my brain actually worked the problem while asleep and delivered it when I awoke.
My thoughts are an absolute mess, and a combination of auditory and “visual” representations. My partner says when I am thinking really hard it looks like I am reading a book and talking to myself.
I hold no capacity for mental imagery, so a 5 on the Aphantasia Scale. When I think of things I do not consciously ask a question or engage in an inner monologue, either internally or externally, but instead become aware of the information that I need. My information is all stored with like information, so if you asked me about a person, then I get all of the information I have on that person including our previous conversation as though no time had passed. This makes people uncomfortable though, so I try not to reference things to specifically.
Similar to another poster here, I also hear voices, which range from background murmuring like a crowded restaurant to focused 1:1 interactions, though these are usually very brief. Additionally, I will ‘hear’ various noises and have gotten pretty good at not reacting to stuff until I gauge other peoples’ response.
I am not particularly creative. I cannot draw or create art, but I can recreate things that are in front of me.
I don’t know if that makes sense, and I am happy to answer questions if I didn’t describe it well.
A fun conversation starter is always “So do you have an internal monologue?”
I hear my thoughts in monotone in English and sometimes Russia (my native language)[I am Ukrainian]{I speak Russian because I was born during the Soviet era}
I can see clear detailed images in my head but only in still frame.
The same as everyone else’s. The “differences” in the way people think can be ascribed to many things:
- some people are describing active concentration
- others are describing subconscious thinking
- describing the way only some of their thoughts happen
- not inferring what was said the way the speaker intended
- etc et
I believe you are acting way too definitive about something rather unknowable.
For example, what is Aphantasia then?
For me it is an internal monologue with a silent audience that contributes without a voice.
My internal monologue might say “is this thing I am about to do a good idea?” And a wordless thought will provide a second opinion which my internal monologue would interpret and possibly reply to.
I have an internal voice/monologue day-to-day but visual when engaging in recall.
Easiest way to describe it is when I read a novel it’s all going in as words but if I think about a specific part later it’s recalled as a picture my mind created out of the words. I read the book but recall the movie.
Imagine big ball of hair wound up tight as it can be . You try extracting stand of hair from this wad only for it to break half way through . This’s what brain shit’s like for me
's not even COUNTING the fact I hafta somehow translate that into words human beings can understand , bcus existing in human body means am forced to ⦅socialise|communicate) with|relate to) humans, then try stringing the words together into some thing only somewhat coherent)
I switch between having language based thoughts and more abstract thoughts that aren’t language based. I find that my thoughts that aren’t language based are usually more complex. I also can imagine objects, rotate them or walk around familiar places in my mind. Oh and my language based thoughts tend to match the language I am speaking at the moment (I am trilingual).
I do have thoughts in words, language. I don’t exactly hear or see it but it’s definitely language based. Often two levels of thought, one superficial and another underneath, thinking about those superficial thoughts.
Same!! Gets bothersome sometimes honestly, especially when you just wanna focus on something
There’s three hamsters running on a wheel in shifts up in my skull.
