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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_Verden?wprov=sfla1
The time 4500 saxons were beheaded and thrown in a river during the Frankish forced conversion of the germanic pagans to christianity
Christopher Lee!!!
Also, just being the wrong type of Christian in the 14th and 15th centuries was a good way to get burnt at the steak or hung if you weren’t willing to convert to whichever was currently in fashion with the monarch.
I hate when Christians burn the steak.
Yeah, the Inquisition hated it too…
They’re all the same God too which adds a level of “what the fuck?”
Yep, the Jewish/Christian/Muslim feud is second to weirdness only to the feuds inside each one of those 3.
question, given that Christianity was forced on enslaved populations, why didn’t freed slaves ditch Christianity and try to go back to their African traditions.
I know some black communities did that. but if expect that the majority of them would ditch Christianity, not a minority
Christianity, interestingly enough, was not strongly forced on enslaved populations in the US. In the early Colonies, the concept that keeping Christians, specifically, as slaves was still a subject that was frowned upon, so many slavers actually took steps to prevent their slaves from converting, which directly led to several modern syncretic faiths as slaves attempted to keep their own traditions alive, while gleaning what they could from the religious standards of society around them.
By the foundation of the US, the Christianization of slaves had become a hot topic, with slavery supporters often coming out against it, either by the creation of a slaver pseudoclerical class which would ‘interpret’ it for the slaves (ideally in a way that kept them ‘in their place’) or by the total denial of resources of Christianity to enslaved peoples. By contrast, many abolitionists were strongly Christian, and one of the common illegal activities of abolitionists in the US was teaching slaves how to read, particularly the Bible, and organizing underground churches wherein slaves could operate their own services and lead their own congregations.
Christianity, as such, was seen by slaves largely as less of the enforced, slaver’s faith, and more as simply the faith of the land that slavers denied slaves.
damn,
thanks, very interesting read.
appreciate it, and hope others with the same question read it
Learn about Aretha Franklin. The reason is because black people developed large Christian networks that helped their communities. Back then, if you were black and wanted to travel to another state, not every town was safe and you couldn’t stay at hotels. So they’d call their churches and stay with other members of the church, and get advice through their churches on which towns to avoid. To this day many black people stipp network through their churches, which gave them a lot of safety.
You could name any time a Christian came to a new land. Guaranteed they did their best to dismantle the local everything in order to spread Christianity because why would they be peaceful when instead they could indoctrinate people?
Protestants: “Ahh but that was Catholicism. And Catholicism isn’t Christian.”
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I’m basically a secular humanist, and I’ve heard the statement that Catholics aren’t Christians, in person, a few times. The two times that come to mind were from very different people (a Chinese Christian that lives in Beijing, and a Canadian Christian that lives on an apple orchard in southern Ontario). Both of whom were coworkers I spent some time with while travelling for work (different jobs, about 10 years apart).
I’ve always shut it down as a wildly offensive thing to say, and not worthy of discussing. So I’ve never gotten a real explantion for why some Christians believe it. Is it a common opinion?
I grew up catholic in the Midwest. Yeah it’s a thing some protestants believe. They think catholics worship Mary, the saints, and/or the devil. It’s the sort of thing you see from the sorts of protestants who are fucking insane.
My great grandma’s funeral was hijacked by the preacher to tell the catholic side of the family that we were all going to hell. She didn’t even believe in that sect, my great aunt just abused her into it when she had dementia. It was the sort of sect where there’s no drinking or dancing at weddings and women aren’t allowed to wear panted garments.
Evangelicals sometimes hold to it - basically, there’s a whole ‘thing’ about nuda scriptura amongst certain protestant sects, especially those which gained prominence in the modern US in the 19th century. In the minds of these sects, by nuda scriptura - ‘bare scripture’ - there’s only one authority on theology, and that is the Bible, interpreted literally. To them, then, the entire Old World church hierarchies and traditions are some bizarre Satanist plot to lead Christians astray by NOT following ONLY the Bible and nothing but the Bible.
Catholics tend to emphasize things like Church tradition, and even reason (gasp), as means of constructing theology, while Old World-originated protestants sects, like Lutherans, tend to view the Bible as the highest but not only source of theology (sola scriptura). To New World sect evangelicals, the latter is misguided but essentially harmless; the former is (though they would never use this term, instead preferring to denigrate their enemies as not Christians at all) heresy.
I’ve heard it coming from hardcore Mormons, which I found hilariously ironic - seeing as how pretty much every other Christian Church/denomination doesn’t see them as Christians.
Mormonism rejects the Trinity and you get your own magical planet/become like God when you die. I think most Christians would find that profoundly heretical.
The church has mostly been doing a propaganda campaign to present themselves as just another denomination of Christianity, but Adam-God and the spirit wives is just gross and weird.
“Hey ladies! The best afterlife you get is pumping out babies with all of your husbands other wives for all of eternity!”
Yeah, that pivot they are attempting is wild. They are trying to cozy up to all the evangelicals and think they can pull some Jeff mind truck to make them forget all the crazy shit they taught from bygone years.
Do they really think the other churches will forget about the golden tablets, Adam-God, moon quakers, sun people, ‘elders’ becoming gods of their own planet/Galaxy/universe, rocks in hats, weird salamanders, etc etc. Because they won’t. (I didn’t mention polygamy or the underage girl hoarding because I’m pretty sure that’s an objective quite a few evangelical leaders hope to achieve eventually.)
The other churches are at best using them in the short term and will ditch them as soon as the LDS Church serves no further purpose. But the church leaders are so high on their own farts that they can comprehend that fact.
My parents’ church went at it from a ‘the saints are demons’ angle. Something about how praying to the saints for intercession was somehow in violation of the ‘no gods before me’ commandment. But this was the NAR, which is just fuckin weird to begin with.
I totally get the satire in your comment but I just wanna say, the forced Christianization of indigenous Americans was definitely carried out by Protestants.
edit: I guess Protestants didn’t have widespread, overt “accept baptism or we’ll execute you on the spot” policies like some Catholic missions in the Americas, but the result of forced relocation and family separation was much the same. When they force people onto a reservation on an inhospitable plot of land half a continent away from their homes, and then withhold aid unless they accept Christ as their savior, they might as well be saying “convert or die.” Same goes for using the natives’ “heathenry” as part of the justification for wars and war crimes.
My man should watch Sugarcane. I’d bet those poor kids wished the priests were only threatening them with knives.
No, you wouldn’t have heard of it if you’re willfully ignorant.
Which why is this being limited to one inquisition from one nation?
The Spanish Inquisition is simply the best-known.
Knife-point, sword point, gunpoint, gallows, guillotine, poison, several other more gruesome methods, Christianity has done it all.
It never happened so long as you don’t count the past 2000 years of history.
Hardcore christians tend to be less educated. Not always. Some of them are highly educated, yet live in a state of delerium. But a lot of them are as stupid as Marjorie Taylor Green, who thought qanon posts about secret satanic cabals were pronounced “cables.” We have absolute morons in the seats of power. Making consequential decisions. Forcing society to be worse and worse and worse. I hate the world. I especially hate the USA (my country).
Oh buddy let me tell you about the Magdalene Laundries…
Do they mean it isn’t said in the Bible that Christians are required to forcibly convert people?
