If these happen in Democrat-run cities, what is the over/under that Trump sends in the National Guard?
Democratic governors need to be attempting to take control of their national guards
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Kathy Hochul? Yeah I don’t think so.
These types of protest. While large and making national news are very unlikely to have that type of response.
These protest are liberals going out and feeling like they did something. Which is obviously better than liberals not going out at all.
The protests that get physical response are the ones that have the potential to build into larger and more active movements. Protest with simple goals like “prevent vehicles from leaving the ICE facility”. As someone that’s been to protest with that goal. 100-200 people with a real material goal are much more likely to have police response than a planned parade.
These “no kings” style protest are essentially just that: planned parades. And are directed through the city in very much the same way. Again, I am not against them. But they are not serving the same purpose.
The military is NOT being used because the size of protest are large. The military is being used as a political tool to form a narrative that justifies more use of violence against civilians.
They wont attack these “protest parades” filled with large amounts of people that are not directly effected by negative effects of their fascist policies. It is much better to keep them as once a month parade members than to risk radicalizing large amounts of them into full time activists if they ever felt the sting of tear gas.
Organizing is step one. Calling it a liberal feel good party does the fascists work for them.
Yes. Because that’s all I said in my comment and that’s the only thing you should take from it. /s
Replies like yours are why I fucking hate the internet. Engage in the actual substance of the comment maybe; instead of just straw manning what I said for the sake of disagreement.
What about my comment implies I didn’t read the whole thing? My point still stands
No. It doesn’t. You rewrote one sentence I said and then pretended like that was the thesis of the comment.
The comment was talking about the use of force and military towards protests. I was pointing out the material difference between “weekend protesters” collecting in mass for a few hours and other people actively preventing ICE from leaving their facilities and being met with violence.
It wasn’t a “bash” on liberals. I want them to go out and do their mass protests. It does help them become radicalized to do more.
It was an explanation of WHY you won’t see high levels of police violence at these large “No Kings” style protest.
Because they don’t threaten the ability for ICE to hurt people. Are they good in other ways? Absolutely. But that wasn’t the point of my comment and it wasn’t what was being asked in the comment I replied to.
It’s the difference between a person holding up a sign that says “save the Forrest” and another person chaining themselves to the God damn tree.
That was my point. So, nothing you have said in response is at all being critical of what I actually said. You’re just straw manning.
Yeah you give the stalinists and the conservatives jerkoff ammo while raising OTHER good points. That’s my point. Let me just write a whole hard hitting manifesto to try to appeal to this audience but let me start off by calling you a BOOTLICKING CUCK. This is why I HATE the internet you take the ONE RETARDED THING I SAID and ignored the rest of it. That’s what you sound like
Nice comment. Thanks for confirming I’m talking to someone with complete brain rot.
I have attended protests and will do so again, but I have no illusions that the fascists will simply ignore them. This may build up more frustration from people, but the sooner we can plan a general strike the better. The nazi ticks are just burrowing deeper.
What we need is for someone to openly share addresses of the billionaires homes and start protesting there. That’s the only way we can negatively effect them. Make them scared to be comfortable in their own homes.
The protests by themselves are certainly inadequate, despite the impressive turnout. What makes the difference is what we do with them. Last time I went out, I distributed statements, made contacts and even received some donations. People are seeking out fighting perspectives. They need organization and leadership.
It’s an hour long protest. What does anyone think that will accomplish. The “tree huggers” chain themselves to things ffs.
If you complain something won’t do anything, then you must propose a better thing or the only thing you want is apathy.
He literally gave an example of a more committed response. We’re lazy
Then chain yourself to a tree.
That’s such a bad interpretation. They need your support to chain themselves to a tree.
Try something like this, and Im serious:
-if you tie yourself to a tree I will tie myself to a tree
-I cant tie myself to a tree because I have legitimate health condition but I will check in on you and share your progress with all my friends
-I totally support you tieing yourself to a tree. I want to see this happen and I admire anyone who would go that far.
Shaming them will only make them bitter… now maybe that is what you want.
Here’s how things will go: See those starving women and children in Gaza? This is what will happen to Americans, and much of the world.
Their own leadership thinks they are redundant, and no longer have to hide their sheer malevolance.
Shit don’t suggest organizing. That’s insanity.
Was “chaining themselves to trees” not clear?
I do, and it gets moderated and I get banned. You know this. Don’t be a cunt.
It sounds to me like your solution is violence, but that’s actually a bad idea. Of course I can’t actually argue for or against this “idea” you totally have, because you haven’t stated it.
Although when you come out swinging with insults right out of the gate, it kinda reveals a lot.
What does it reveal?
I mean, that you’re a bit of an asshole.
But aren’t we all?
Oh no, not moderated! Sounds like you are ready and willing to actually do something, as long as it doesn’t come with the mildest of inconveniences.
Sounds like you love everything that’s going on.
Starting soon folks, get ready!
To those being diswayed by comments stating that peaceful protests are useless and don’t do anything, keep in mind that these comments are from people who are probably doing nothing but commenting on the internet and are useless themselves.
“Nonviolent protests are twice as likely to succeed as armed conflicts – and those engaging a threshold of 3.5% of the population have never failed to bring about change.”
Epstein should be the theme. It even has traction with his own side. Empty G and I are on the same side, for the first, and very probably only, time.
Even with this theme, Epstein should feature prominently. This is the first time that an issue has resonated so strongly with his own following. The entire Q Anon thing started over conspiracy theories about Democratic Child Sex Trafficking, HitlerPig amplified it, and rode it to power.
And now we’ve come to the really deliciously ironic part. MAGAs treated this issue like the only people who could possibly be in the files are Democrats like the Clintons, but they’re finding out that even if that’s so, Dems don’t care. We’re all sick of the spineless establishment Dems anyway, go ahead and toss them in jail. Now we have finally reached that moment we have been careening towards for years, and their bluff is literally being called, but instead of showing their cards, they have to show the files, and they don’t want to do that because there are a LOT more MAGAs than Dems. Even more ironic, usually they aren’t holding anything when they bluff, but in this case, we know they are holding a Red Royal Flush.
If it turns out that the Epstein Files were full of MAGAs who could have been destroyed, but the Biden administration chose to give them a break in order to protect the Clinton’s, or some other Democratic perv, then that’s a secondary scandal.
Keep up the pressure, increase it steadily, and this could be the thing that brings him down.
The files were sealed under court order until January. Biden didn’t have the opportunity to release the files.
We need to do a peaceful protest every month till this administration and their dear leader are gone.
Try every day
You seriously think trump will even remotely care about monthly protests? That is chuckle worthy for him at this moment.
He won’t change until he starts to feel it
He won’t care about daily peaceful protests either. When we break down the adjectives “Daily” and “Peaceful”, change the frequency of the former won’t matter.
If every day there are 30 million people on the streets, if the economy gets grounded to a halt, he WILL notice. He’ll send in the troops, beci that’s the shit that trump does and shit will hit the fan.
Either way, something will happen beyond “well let’s bend the knee too then!”
10% of the US population isn’t protesting every day. The largest protest day in history that occurred a few weeks ago was still only an estimated 5 million.
Exactly
It’s still shit, it didn’t do anything. Had it not happened, literally NOTHING would be different today.
DO SOMETHING
Oh you sweet summer child.
Peaceful protests won’t get rid of the regime. What they’re good for is connecting, organizing, demonstrating opposition is a viable size to uncertain bystanders who fear being part of a tiny minority and getting crushed, and generating enthusiasm for further, more ‘strategic’ work.
He just can’t say the quiet part out-loud.
So he says “peacful protest”.
As much as I am supportive, it is only realistic to day that it has no impact whatsoever. Until it’s Game On like Donkey Kong, we are just making ourselves feel better. I know, peacefully is how we do it. God be with ya’ll. Just remember this. The oppressors feel that god is on their side when they be getting the 30 Grand bonus for bagging folks. I’d be happy when a peaceful protest followed some ice simpletons home. I’d be interested in that.
F*** them up boo, let s**t hit the fan. We need a breaking point, the whole world is DONE with america, or go strike nationally. Paralyze the entire country
Can you please uncensor the two words in your comment? I can’t tell what they’re supposed to be.
Pretty sure it’s
Fart them up boo, let soot hit the fan.
Makes sense. Thanks!
I’m sure that walking or standing around holding signs with passive aggressive messages on them will convince the regime to pack up and leave. That’s how the Nazis were beat the first time around, right?
It was peoples capitulation and unwillingness to take a stand against the Nazi’s that allowed them to win.
If there had been mass protests things might have turned out very differently.
There were literal street fights with armed militias going against the nazis. It is just that the nazis won.
When violence is normalized it gives the advantage to the people most willing to cause suffering.
A big part of their victory, is that the Weimer Republic had apocalyptic economic failings that allowed extreme politics to succeed. I suspect that the Trump Regime will suffer the same, so we might end up having antifa becoming the victorious party.
Of course, whether the antifa are good people is going to be dependent on me and others being there to fill the political void if the Trump Regime is obliterated. I want less Russian Totalitarianism and more Republican France to be the future of my nation.
The French republics that arose due to internal revolution (the first and second republics) were pretty brutal and oppressive in their own right and dissolved into authoritarian regimes before too long. The first one with any staying power (the third republic, which remained in place from 1870 until the Nazi invasion of 1940) was brought about due to France losing a war with Prussia/Germany.
The American populace has capitulated at every turn.
Their “peaceful protests” have served only to embolden the Nazis by clearly demonstrating how little of a threat they pose.
Every American who isn’t throwing punches is complicit.
A) Capitulate means to stop resisting. Protests are resistance, even if you personally think it’s too little.
B) If violence were to break out, where do you think it’s more likely to happen, out in the streets at a protest, or in the basements of people not willing to even leave the house to show their discontent?
C) How many punches have you thrown so far?
D) Random little acts of violence are likely to be suppressed by the pigs and the military. To be effective we need a plan. What better place are you likely to meet others willing to get off their asses and not just armchair quarterback the revolution than at a protest?
Wow, you managed to hit tired, overly-defensive responses #3, #4, and #5 in one post. Excellent. Great use of your energy right now.
What an empty zero effort response. I’ll give you one in return.
The Nazis were beaten through foreign intervention. I’m guessing the same thing will need to happen here. Americans are more concerned with making themselves look good (and mainly disagree on whether passive sign-waving or Internet-tough-guy-ism is the best way to do that) than with actually damaging the bottom lines of the people propping up this regime.
I wouldn’t be surprised by that. Imperial Japan had to be forcibly reformed into a democracy.
Before you bomb the white house maybe start with a protest.
tell that to every other previous protest
So how many protests before we can do something else? The 50501 protests didn’t stop Trump from being an evil dictator.
If they’re not showing up armed they’re doing fuck all.
Seems like a terrible name for it. It sounds kind of juvenile and the other side will latch onto that immediately.
Seems like a terrible name for it.
Oh we’re doing this again? “Let’s not do what I don’t feel like doing because… uh… I don’t like your tone! That’s it!”
I’m all for it, actually. I’ve just seen things go awry way too many times if you’re not able to condense your message into an airtight sound bite.
And I’ve seen movements killed because tone police give politicians an excuse to bail.
The other side will talk about the huge nationwide “Rage against the Regime” to their base? Even if they try to give it some dumb name, they are still talking about it.
Curious, what name do you think is better?
Nothing will change until Americans are willing to disrupt. General Strikes are effective. Shut it all down and see how quickly things change. It’s not easy but until you get the appetite for it, nothing will change.
only if the railroad workers could strike again, this seems to extremely disruptive to the us, if they do it, because its lifeblood of the us. they were doing very hard on both sides to prevent those strikes.
June “No Kings” saw the largest single day protests in US history. This is a healthy response by the population. We do absolutely need to move beyond the limits of street protests, and onto the development of a mass strike movement; however, the fact that masses of people are willing to go out and protest on a largely spontaneous basis is significant. What is needed is clear revolutionary political perspective. When this understanding grips the masses, particularly the working class, the movement will take on an explosivly historic significance.
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I think this sort of pessimism is hopelessly self defeating. People are looking for meaningful ways to fight back. What they lack is organization and leadership. What are you doing to develop this?
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For the middle-class organizers of these protests, who lack a serious political perspective, the protest is their victory. They have no concept of the independent organization of the masses doing anything, besides protesting and calling it a day. They believe and promote the belief that mass rallies will be sufficient to pressure the Democratic Party, some Republicans, and the trade union bureaucracies to oppose Trump more vigorously. They will not.
It can be difficult to imagine the possibility of general strike when we haven’t seen a real organized mass movement in at least two generations. It’s not enough for isolated individuals convinced of the necessity to simply strike of their own initiative. That would be a recipe for disaster, with the participants facing certain reprisal and victimization. The movement must be prepared, starting with the most advanced sections of the working class organizing the leadership.
The protests express a broadly felt desire for action, but that cannot spontaneously generate the necessary movement. It will take the input of people like you, talking to your neighbors and coworkers, organizing action committees in your neighborhoods and workplaces, reaching out to people from other neighborhoods and workplaces, and organizing in preparation for a struggle. The protests provide a prime opportunity to do just that.
For what it’s worth, in case you’re interested, this is the statement we distributed at No Kings: Mobilize the working class against Trump’s dictatorship!
I’ll also recommend this perspective following the protest: The mass protests against dictatorship in the US and the way forward in the fight against Trump’s coup.
If you read something in there that strikes a chord, I would suggest reaching out through the contact form.
Its sorta sad I never see something like this on the 50501 communities. I feel someone made them with the intention that someone else would do it. Anyway https://www.rageagainsttheregime.org/
Not sure where the details are. I hit find an action and it took me to a page that says 0 events in New York :|
yeah same with my city. there is no way these will not be locations so im guessing they still have org to do at local levels.
Pfft, unless they secretly have anti-tank and anti-drone guns, they are not doing anything!
Make me upnif this protests nis in the tens of millions of participants and paralizes the country for a month
Anything less than that will do shit all
This protest ain’t doing shit.
The last protest didn’t change anything but surely this one that trump will be prepared for will.
Arm yourselfs, peaceful protest assumes trump has a conscience and morals that he will listen to when filled with guilt.
Get the fuck out of here if you’re only feedback is “the protest is useless”.
That’s the same feedback Trump is going to have for it.
Protest is most effective when there’s a clear escalatory path to violence. MLK was successful because Malcom X was the alternative, and the people in charge knew it.
What “shaking the ruling class” did luigi do? They shrugged it off and went right on with the most massive corrupt looting in American history. When billionaires can afford their own private armies, or better yet bend the public one to their will, they don’t give a fuck about your pea shooter.
Stopping them requires taking their money. And that means winning elections and taxing the living shit out of them.
What “shaking the ruling class” did luigi do?
The company the CEO worked for drastically changed the policies that (allegedly) influenced Luigi.
Other healthcare companies changed policy out of fear.
Other CEOs started hiring body guards because they were worried someone would get them for their practices.
can’t really win an election and tax billionaires by protesting. wait another 3.5 years or so. strikes and violent protests could work though
