PS DefenSe in the us.
Yeah … no.
Ask Europeans if they feel working in that industry right now feels like anything but for defensive reasons.
OK then, I feel likes our defense industry is working for US imperialism and hegemony.
Which is our role as vasals.Indeedy, my wife works for the German army.
So the US and Shitrael
You’re talking about the same industry that coined the term “preemptive strike” instead of calling it what it is: starting a war.
I’ve always heard to it referred to as the “military industrial complex”. Eisenhower tried to warn us about it in the 1950s.
Smedley Butler was warning us in 1935. War is a Racket .
Someone who works in said US defense industry here
Neither defense nor war really apply to what we do, but between the two defense is the more apt description. The DoD largely uses a strategy of deterrence, where the technology we develop and training done for the “war fighter” is just public and visible enough that no other major country wants to take the risk of going into full open conflict with the US. Since most efforts go into deterrence, and deterrence is a defense strategy, it does become the more appropriate word.
Sure the US loves its proxy wars, but those don’t throw the entire nation into wartime. Plus, in a round about way proxy wars help with the deterrence since we get an outlet for the decades old stock piles of arms that we no longer want and want to replace with the new stuff. If our waste products are being useful in places like Ukraine, it helps build up an idea of what it is we keep for ourselves, again building up a deterrence of openly and directly attacking the US
Sure the US loves its proxy wars, but those don’t throw the entire nation into wartime.
because keeping the wars ‘over there’ and impacts from said conflicts minimal on the populace (no drafts, no rationing, no sacrifices) makes it easy to send the youth to be blown up in far off places.
What I was referencing by proxy war was Ukraine and what Israel was supposed to be. The US sends arms to another nation with the intention that the other nation, who is already in conflict (or just happens to be through dubious and convenient circumstances) will take those arms and give political adversaries a bloody nose or serve as enough of a distraction that they won’t come after the US and keeps the US from putting boots on the ground. Is working out quite well for us in Ukraine, Israel was supposed to distract the middle east but turns out that when you hand a genocidal maniac a bunch of weapons, he’s gonna do maniacal genocidal things with them. Who could have possibly guessed
I don’t think it “is working out quite well for us in Ukraine”.
On the contrary.
It has backfired immensely geopolitically.
Surprisingly honest from someone who works for the US imperialist regime.
They do indeed let others do the fighting in proxy wars and regime changes, invariably in conflicts they created to gain/keep influence.
If not by directly creating and arming terrorists like the headchoppers in Syria who they now totally rehabilitated.
“The Ministry of Peace”
-Orwell
Please respect and enjoy the peace ☮️
- Emperor Cleon, who ended the galactic wars
“Gentlemen! You can’t fight in here! This is the War Room!”
- President Muffley, in Dr Strangelove
It is a war industry for the Western countries because the war is never on their soil. It is a defence industry for everyone else.
The war is never on their soil? WW1 and 2 and Yugoslavia ring a bell? And Ukraine is a western country too.
They predict that Russia will attack western Europe in 2027, by the way.
LOL
We are talking about the war/defence industry which is a much newer thing when countries started selling weapons and such to other countries on a large scale and during their own non-war times, like the last 50 years of American history. If countries sold weapons to each other during WW2, it was because they were involved in the war themselves. Nowadays, it is just selling weapons and watching others burn each other down.
Predictions have been going on since forever about so many things. Doesn’t make it any truer. China is going to annex Taiwan, Russia is going to attack Europe, Iran is weeks away from nukes. Funnily, there are no predictions about USA doing stuff.
yeah russia sure is defending the shit out of itself invading ukraine.
I get it, western countries bad, but for fucks sake have a bit of perspective.
Yep NATO expansion and coups can go on just so far.
They knew ukraine was a red line bcs NATO nukes there are too close to defend from.
And they are actually defending not only themselves but also the ethnic Russian (ex)ukrainians since nobody in the west cared when the US funded trained and armed the fascists that terrorised them for 8 years. Maybe you get some perspective, I can hear your propaganda nonsense every day in any western MSN.Yep NATO expansion and coups can go on just so far.
lol, russia invading has gassed nato expansion to countries that never considered it before. Putin’s a better recruiter for NATO than anyone else.
They knew ukraine was a red line bcs NATO nukes there are too close to defend from.
yes, hence the budapest memorandum, where RUSSIA GUARANTEED UKRAINE’S SECURITY IN EXCHANGE FOR THEIR NUKES, YOU GODDAMN DOLT.
I can hear your propaganda nonsense every day in any western MSN.
sure thing, kremlin mouthpiece. how much do they pay you for suborning your own country? chode
NATO expansionism is the root cause of this war. NATO instigated this war and Russia got baited.
ROFLS you really believe that huh?
even after russia guaranteed ukraine’s security in the budapest memorandum?
wow. amazing.
LOL
There hasn’t been a ukraine since the fascist coup where the US regime literally chose who would run that proxy state.
And then broke the Minsk treaties over and overRemoved by mod
LOL I’m Belgian.
Got you all in a frenzy I see, unstable as expectedSure won’t question the mods when they let this unhinged scumbags throw insults like that.
So did USA.
The US invaded Ukraine?
Sorry, that didn’t happen.
No, but they did promise protection. So far, there has been no protection given, only money.
Problem with talking about USA in this conflict is everytime immediately assumes that anyone accusing USA of anything is automatically supporting Russia.
To the last ukrainian as Lindsey Graham or even Soros in 93’ said.
The US doesn’t care about their sucker proxies when they have served their use.
Just like the Kurds and many others.So far, there has been no protection given
just tons and tons of ordinance, from the javelins that stopped the taking of Kiev to the artillery, apcs, aircraft and munitions for everything from autocannons to patriots, yeah, no protection whatsoever.
problem with talking about USA in this conflict are the spineless fucks who keep undermining our support to appease PUTIN. Ukraine deserves more, but we’re stymied by the kompromised members of our government.
lol. only took one comment. Scratch a tankie and a vatnik bleeds?
Better red than a dirty fascist.
You wolfsangel and swastika wearers will go down the way your granpa’s went the first time.
I’ll bite. In the 5 years leading up to Russia invading Ukraine, what did NATO do that warrants such a move by Russia?
The US/UK NATO have been supporting nazis since WW2.
Operation Aerodynamic specifically for ukraine to cause trouble.
It has always been a strategy and a goal to hurt Russia who they never forgave for beating their fascists.
The horrible Brezinksky doctrine of the US regime followed that line." “Even without the Baltic states and Poland, a Russia that retained control over Ukraine could still seek to be the leader of an assertive Eurasian empire… But without Ukraine and its 52 million fellow Slavs, any attempt by Moscow to rebuild the Eurasian empire was likely to leave Russia entangled alone in protracted conflicts with the nationally and religiously aroused non-Slavs"
From 2014 when they fist tried regime change with the horrible Yuchenko:
The Stratfor news web site, which has close links to the American intelligence apparatus, revived this analysis following the recent struggle for power in Ukraine. In an analysis of recent events, Stratfor concludes that the secession of Ukraine not only weakens Moscow with regard to foreign policy, but also, “without Ukraine, Russia’s political, economic and military survivability are called into question.” The Stratfor report continues: “To say Russia is at a turning point is a gross understatement. Without Ukraine, Russia is doomed to a painful slide into geopolitical obsolescence and ultimately, perhaps even non-existence.”
After that the people voted this puppet out since they knew they had been conned.
After which the US sent billions via NED and other ways to destabilise the country and fund fascists.
This led to the coup.None of which warrant annexing and invading another country, destroying civilian infrastructure, forced naturalization, etc.
It seems to me that an escalation to war was a desperate move. A weak move at that.
Your description makes it sound like the school bully got it’s feelings hurt as everyone started calling them names in the yard. Knowing that it’s days of influence are behind them, the next day the bully returned to school with a gun…
annexing and invading another country, destroying civilian infrastructure, forced naturalization, etc.
Sounds like you deepththroated the propaganda BS.
Ansd all the rest sounds like frustration from a Russophobe that can’t get over NATO and the western vasals losing.
Anyway, not worth my time responding to nonsense.Keep yourself together now.
I have no hand in this game. I just see the basic facts. One of them is the invader. The other is the invaded. Regardless of what else is occurring, nothing has convinced me that the invaders were doing it out of goodness of their hearts. Being on Lemmy I’ve heard a lot from all sides. I’m not on anyone’s side but I can tell you the invaders were the aggressor. You can paint whatever picture you want, but it’ll always be one invaded the other.
It’s a fairly recent development. It was created as the department of war by Washington and remained that until 1947 where it split into the departments of the air force and army, joining the already existing department of the navy, which together made up the national military establishment (NME), which was renamed 2 years later to the DOD.
Still the work of Edward Bernays and others, the father of modern propaganda.
Oddly enough, this also coincides with the time when the US military was more explicitly about offence rather than defense. After the Revolution, people mistrusted the federal government having a large standing army. The army was raised up in time of war, and everyone went home when it was over.
Post-WW2 was the first time the US kept a large army in “peace”. Been that way ever since.
Claiming the US was not immensely offensive before WW2 is laughable Even in the 19th century when they colonised plenty countries and took control from from Britain or Spain,…
And this in the most brutal way.
It was the period where they gained the most land and influence.
“the people” or their opinion has nothing to do with it and they could’t give a shit about what they mistrust or not.The US didn’t have a large standing military or budget for it. This matters.
What are you trying to say?
In the 1860’s they surpassed the size of the British navy.
And in case you didn’t know leeching of colonies and slaves is a lucrative.
defense
offence
Make up your mind!
They literally renamed it from ministry of war to defense to justify all the Western wars of aggression.
It was the department of war but the government decided that that name was too honest, makes the corpos look bad too
Regardless of what you call it, making the production of weapons an ‘industry’ is psychotic.
let’s look at how well it worked out when a country turned over it’s nuclear weapons and relied on treaties to keep it safe.
They didn’t have nuclear weapons.
By your faulty and dishonest reasoning we (Belgium) would ne a nuclear power since ‘we have nukes’.
OC they are US nukes placed here… illegally OC.Removed by mod
LOL they had as much control over those nukes as the Cubans do over the Guantanamo torture camp.
Dumbass
The attack industry
“I didn’t shoot a baby, I neutralized a threat!” - the IDF
Old joke from when I was in engineering college.
What’s the difference between a electrical engineer and a civil engineer?
One builds the bombs one builds the targets.
Protecting your own country doesn’t always involve actively declaring war with everyone. Often it’s economic or cyber infrastructure hardening related
