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I read in another article that the zoo will “gently euthanize” your pet but I have had a vet come out to my farm and caution me about using any animal euthanized with drugs as feed for anything else due to possible bad reactions or side effects. So what is the definition of “gentle” when talking about non-drug euthanasia?
Gas them with nitrogen.
Give ‘em the ol’ Anton Chigurh Special.
Call it, friendo.
eww no you don’t cook meat wtf
Don’t these drugs have short half-life?
I don’t know. I was just told I can’t donate the meat to a food program and I shouldn’t eat it myself.
by food program do you mean it going to other humans? because i’d imagine the problem is just that we have WAY stricter standards for humans
Yes. Charitable food bank.
Short biological half life. It requires a working liver to detoxify.
Electricity?
I’d say no as you need the right voltage and it hurts while they are dying… especially if you do it wrong. A well placed bullet is way faster and more humane IMHO
“It will be humane”
I’d say a gunshot to the head is just as humane as drugging the animal.
Even more so and approved by the AVMA in their euthanasia guidelines if done correctly (right bullet, muzzle energy, shot placement and trajectory) and you can do it without any strangers showing up wanting to poke them with needles. Say your goodbyes, put their favorite treat on the ground and when they put their head down to eat it…works like switching off a light. A bit bloody but…it’s a farm
Would they accept donatinons of politicians?
Or billionaires
Im a fisherman in San Diego an often catch insane amounts of tuna. I mean a 150lb tuna is more than enough for me and friends with plenty of meat to spare.
But the zoo won’t take any donations.
Sucks umthat I just have to freeze it all.
I’ll gladly help you out with that uhhh problem you’re having
Very serious btw I’m local
Ill let you know next time I have extra tuna.
Hell yes
If this turns into unwanted small koala joeys needed, there is going to be a problem here.
can I send an unwanted child?
Eric?
No, the other one
The other Eric?
Mom?
Fuckin’ Kevin. Again.
Only if at least one of the parents was a horse
SMALL PETS?
YES. OR HORSES.
man of culture I see
ok i have no idea what you’re talking about
you’re not part of the same nieche then
There is a big cat rescue a few hours from me that will take cattle/horse/farm animals for feed. They will also pickup fresh roadkill deer etc.
And remember, those donations can be written off in your taxes!
What were the captives eating before?
Avocado toast
The zoo said it accepts donated rabbits, guinea pigs and chickens on weekdays between 10 a.m. and 1 p.m., but no more than four at a time. It also accepts horses for feeding its animals, which it says on its website are euthanized by a zookeeper and a veterinarian.
Gotta eat. Hell, humans eat half those animals too.
What about giraffes?
Guinea pigs got domesticated for food, and are still a common dish in South America. I am pretty sure rabbits got bred for food as well in Europe
Fine. Who the fuck is eating chickens? Like the birds!?
There are people raising rabbits for meat even today.
It is stocked in normal supermarkets in France and Switzerland (at least, surely others too).
I had rabbit when I was in France and it was delicious!
And they are delicious.
Where are you from that it’s weird to you? I wasn’t aware it was uncommon.
Believe there are places that raise capybara for food as well.
i rather not search about the topic, so i am going to trust you, i’m afraid of getting stuck in a rabbit hole
You don’t even carrot all to find out?
My little cousin found this out at the last family gathering as he enthusiastically showed me a picture of his pet rabbits. Growing up on a farm, my first question was if they were pet or food. His face fell and he asked me if people really eat rabbits. Whoops!
in europe? everywhere. Watch roger and me, micheal moores original documentary, and see a lady skinning them.
That seems to be almost exclusive to the Peruvian Andes region, I’m from Brazil and never hear of anyone eating a Guinea Pig there, or even in Argentina and Uruguay.
Sounds like you are missing out. I’d try it.
The idea is not if it is worth trying but that it’s not widespread in south America.
Can confirm that it’s not found in supermarkets in Montevideo nor Buenos Aires.
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half? which ones do you think we don’t eat?
They probably didn’t know guinea pigs were domesticated for food, and neglected horses
euthanized by a zookeeper
I gotta ask how. Usual protocol is benzo/barbiturate overdose followed by potassium chloride shot. But the benzos/barbiturates are contraindicated for the fact that they’re feeding them to other animals and potassium alone is torture even if eating something killed by it is fine. That generally leaves stunner and exsanguiation or shooting them.
For chickens you can shove them into a modified construction cone and then cut off their head
And then chase the body around.
That is the point of the cone. It calms them down so that they don’t panic. Use a very sharp blade so that the head gets cut off in one blow.
The running around is a result of them panicking. When they are calm they don’t do that and there is way less blood.
Sorry, I was mainly just making a joke about the headless chicken
Bolt gun and exsanguination is pretty common in abattoirs, right? I’d guess it’s probably the same here
What about unwanted siblings or older parents?
Too modest to ask
Do they take landlords?
No, only some species of sealords.
Will they take edgelords?
sadly the big three stopped making half bloods
“Let’s go to zoo, grandma.”
Boss, I want to invite the whole C-Suite to the zoo for a fun time!
Wow, I didn’t think there would be so many crazy psychos in the comments.
I can get that people might not feel as much empathy with animals than humans (get, not approve) but most of the comments are kitten-drowning level.
You get a pet, which is supposed to be a companion and basically part of your family, and you don’t mind them being torn to shreds?
Okay then, I guess if your kid has a terminal cancer we can also feed him to the tiger? After all in the end it’s just a bunch of meat.
I dunno if they’re psychos, exactly, I’m mostly seeing interesting takes, like the chicken coop that blew away or the fisherman. Varying degrees of “how close are you to this animal,” especially since critters like mice could be a lovely pet or food for an equally lovely snake.
But yeah, couple people don’t turn off their dark humor either, but that’s just the internet. I don’t mind it, I imagine only 1% are actually psychopaths (which is iirc the statistical average, except in business where it’s 4%. And I guess politics, now).
Then again, my instance blocks certain other instances, too. Lol
in the end it’s just a bunch of meat
That’s why it’s back on the menu, boys! The circle of life is brutal. I think everyone in these comments is just externally processing horror at the idea of sending their own pets.
Right? Fucking bunch of irrational horror-filled replies.
Yeah some of these comments were just disgusting. Do better Lemmy
Nobody’s suggesting that beloved pets get donated just for the sake of feeding the animals. But if you have a pet you’re planning to get rid of anyway, for whatever reason, some people would prefer to see the pet’s death contribute a final something back. Put it in the same logic as organ donation. Nobody WANTS to see their loved one’s corpse cut open and such, but knowing it helped somebody else in a small way can give some closure.
Getting rid of doesn’t equate to killing unless you’re incapable of planning and managing for the future.
If I’m dying, give me to the birds. But if I’ve, stopped entertaining you, then fuck you.
In many cases, getting rid of a pet does involve killing the pet, as there is only so much space in animal shelters and inflow is a lot more than adoptions. It’s unfortunate, but that’s how it is.
I’ll agree that it’s weird to say the least that they’re askit for pets, pets should be worth more than just their money.
Having said that, predators need food too. Predators aren’t evil, they just evolved to eat other animals, it’s what they do, it’s what they’ve done for a billion years or so.
I think Denmark should fund zoos better
Apparently nobody here bothered to read the article. It isn’t about funding. Everybody’s just putting their own emotional spin on it without even being aware of the details.
“In zoos, we have a responsibility to imitate the natural food chain of the animals — in terms of both animal welfare and professional integrity,” Aalborg Zoo said in a post on social media.
The zoo in northern Denmark said that chickens, rabbits and guinea pigs were an important part of the diet of its predators, which need “whole prey,” reminiscent of what they would hunt in the wild.
“If you have a healthy animal that has to leave here for various reasons, feel free to donate it to us. The animals are gently euthanized by trained staff and are afterwards used as fodder. That way, nothing goes to waste — and we ensure natural behavior, nutrition and well-being for our predators,” Aalborg Zoo said.
I’m aware of the details
Why don’t they buy hamsters and what not themselves from providers so that there aren’t emotional connections to the animals at least?
It’s weird to ask for animals where there are inherently emotional connections
Then the question: don’t they have the money?
They’re making the offer available to those who want it, in other words those who don’t see a problem with it emotionally. Some of whom even benefit emotionally from it. Is it very hard to comprehend that different people have different viewpoints on things?
Yeah but here is the thing: the entire idea of a pet is to get some emotional connection with it, making you want to care for it.
Anyone delivering their pet for this should maybe have a psychological evaluation if you ask me
Did you miss the part where this is IF YOU’RE PUTTING A PET TO SLEEP ANYWAY? Nobody’s asking you to give up a pet you want to keep ffs.
Not my kid, but if I’m terminal I’m gonna add “killed by some food-safe means and then fed to tigers in front of zoo patrons” to my potential death plans.
“The funeral will be at the civic building at 10am, and the viewing at 12:00 by the tiger sanctuary in Edgewater Zoo”
If you have a terminal illness they won’t take you as they only want “healthy animals”.
it’s probably a bad idea for everybody else, as now there’s a captive tiger, that is one that will be around humans forever, that also already are human meat, which is a suboptimal combination
My comment was mostly a joke but that is a fair point. No tiger-pit for body disposal then
You get a pet, which is supposed to be a companion and basically part of your family, and you don’t mind them being torn to shreds?
This is a fair way to feel about it, but if the question is only what is done with a body after it has been euthanized it seems more like a cultural consideration than an ethical one. Like there are cultures with strong feelings about treatment of human corpses to the point where organ donation is taboo, but that doesn’t mean being ok with family members being organ donors is some awful thing.
There’s a larger question about how pets and other animals are treated, and the thought of someone euthanizing a healthy pet for petty reasons is really disturbing (like stories you sometimes hear about this being done as a way to emotionally abuse someone), but that isn’t exactly the fault of the zoo or its practices.
Not gonna lie, I’m borderline getting used to extremism and antisocial behaviour on lemmy. This place feels like 4chan that hates 4chan. The wake-up call for me was when I was arguing against killing everyone on earth because of how shitty the people are, saying that some of us very much enjoy the life. Got downvoted.
I’ve also seen several calls for genocide against Jews. Pretty ironic for a platform that so loudly hates the current genocide.
What did you expect from the platform that was created because reddit banned extremists? Fewer extremists than the place that banned them? Why?
I tend to hope for the best, but you actually hit the nail, I’ve had the exact same thought at the back of my mind about lemmy for quite some time. Much of the community is made up of people who have been banned or disliked elsewhere, so this is their refugee. The very first thing I noticed is how toxic users are with downvotes. It is no longer a community tool about moderating quality discussions, it’s essentially used as a “fuck you”, so I had to disable (hide) it and disregard vote system on this site, especially after seeing how easily it is for people to mass downvote lemmy profiles with multiple accounts (happened to me 2 times, even highly upvoted plain humor comments were suddenly downvoted). My guess is that we’re getting downvoted here, but do you really care?
I’ve used reddit forever—stopped caring about downvotes long ago. You have to realized that the main demographic of any site like reddit or this, specifically the people with accounts, who vote, and comment, are like 50% autistic college age kids (at least on reddit). Those autistic college age kids are now 30+ here on lemmy since reddit has been banning for a while now (remember the ellen pao bans? the chapotraphouse ban? The Voat exodus that turned into lemmy users as well?). Yeah, people suck on the internet. They downvote for no reason. You just develop a thick skin and stop complaining about downvotes or you ban yourself.
My guess is that we’re getting downvoted here, but do you really care?
No, because I know that the people who are downvoting me are probably autistic 20-somethings. I’m superior to them—I’m an autistic 30-something. I know they’re probably stupid because they have yet to develop their frontal lobe enough to participate in normal society so they downvote on lemmy/reddit. I know this because I was that person 10 years ago on reddit—I made my account when I was 17 and I said a ton of stupid shit on there. Who cares.
You’re painting everybody together with one brush. I’m against humanity ending, I’m against genocide, whoever it’s practiced on. I also don’t see a problem with this (what I do have a problem with is the number of commentors who didn’t bother reading the article and are claiming it’s because the zoo is broke).
That was not my goal. It’s like me being a redditor and saying redditors are neckbeards. While it sounds like I’m shitting on every redditor, pretty sure everyone knows I’m talking about “those parts of the site”
Ah. It came across differently because you were replying to somebody complaining about the number of ‘psychos’ in the comments.
I’ve also seen several calls for genocide against Jews. Pretty ironic for a platform that so loudly hates the current genocide.
Suggesting that the Palestinian side isn’t an angel either and the Israelis are assholes too, will get you labelled as the world’s most devout othrodox Jewish Zionist to the level of Theodore Hertzl himself.
Okay then, I guess if your kid has a terminal cancer we can also feed him to the tiger? After all in the end it’s just a bunch of meat.
That’s a weird comparison, and it’s honestly a sign that you are struggling with separating the two on an emotional level. Which is ironic based on your opening sentence.
Alternatively, you’re too good at separating humans and animals on emotional level, to the extreme degree.
I agree with the other response - I don’t care about my meat sack once it’s no longer operational. Harvest my useful organs for donation, then feed the rest to the kitties.
The difference between humans and other animals is that we understand the concept of death and can make our post-life wishes known.
If my children told me they wanted to be fed to the tigers I’d probably still be horrified by the image of it but I wouldn’t push back.
Our pets can’t communicate their wishes to us, and in all likelihood they don’t care what happens to them when they’re dead. Putting their meat to some kind of use seems far more ethical to me than turning it into ash or sticking it in the ground.
It’s not about what happens to the body, if it was “bring us your dead pets we will feed them to tigers”, I wouldn’t be against it. I fundamentally disagree with the idea of surrendering your pet to be killed, be it a kill-shelter, or a zoo.
but that’s the humane thing to do, it’s not cool to force the animal to suffer from disease or old age until their bodies give out…
like, this is standard practice, you put your pets down when they’re too sick to live worthy lives.
They don’t feed diseased animals to the tigers
Well the animals are being euthenized then fed to the animals to diversify their diets. If assisted suicide was legal here and I elected for it, I would have no qualms with checking a box that said feed my meat sack to the tigers. Although they might not want to do that as it may encourage the idea that the handlers/vets look a lot like food.
The comparable situation would be if your family grew tired of you, and some day decide to euthanize you and feed to tigers.
To which your answer is probably “well, I’m a human, you can’t do this to me, I don’t want to be killed against my will”, and we will be back to square one.No, you’re making this about a humans ability to kill the animal, not what should be done with the dead carcus. The animals fate is already sealed, it’s dead whether or not it goes to the zoo. Just means it is either thrown in a furnace or processed some other way.
If you don’t like that humans get to choose whar happens to the animals, I understand… but that’s something that should be protested or brought separately to your politicians.
This is more like saying people shouldn’t be able to elect to donate organs.
Edit: or rather your family deciding to donate those organs to a someone who needs them after you’re dead.
It’s a bit less about what happens to the body - that I don’t give a shit about - it’s about what happens to the live creature. It’s not about accepting your dead pets, it’s about accepting your alive pets to be killed, and I fundamentally don’t like that, no matter will they kill them and fed the corpses to tigers, or burn it like kill shelters do.
I wish this was a “burial” option over making some creepy guy in a suit richer than he already is because you need just the right box for grandpa’s meat sac.
