“No no, you don’t understand. You shouldn’t have a family, you have to flog yourself to death for this startup company that’s making a Gym Membership app. If you don’t neglect your kids to vibe code a scheduling system then you just don’t deserve a job and you and your family should just die”
Bro, if you don’t believe in GimLyfe, maybe success isn’t for you.
You should really consider having the grindset to be a self-starter in our face-paced family, instead of having a real family.
Some of you will die but that’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make.
“If you’re not willing to sacrifice your mental and physical health for me, get out of my sight.”
It’s weird how this response also works for the “if you can’t handle me at my worst, you don’t deserve me at my best” posts. Do women still do that? I bet they hook up with the guy in OP.
Massive impact on the world. Lol. Says the guy who makes another SaaS bs solution.
Seems like the worst of hustle culture to be honest.
The thing is, as a society we keep supporting these scumbags. If we didn’t continue to line their pockets, this would start to go away.
Sort of? Society as a whole may support them, but like most parts of this giant machine mess, it’s unknowingly. You pay money to the grocery store, which funnels it to the top, and then those leeches take the money and support people like the ceo fool through investment. Repeat for almost every other industry you are forced to partake in to survive.
I have family who have worked in several tech startups. They are funded by venture capitalists dreaming of the next facebook or google, or just selling out to people snatching up advertising methodologies/companies. I’m not going to blame society as a whole for the actions of relatively few people.
Put down your pitchforks, people. Self-confessed fabrication: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/bgoldstein3_founder-career-activity-7354574299103436800-HpOn
But you can bring them back out for being such a tool, he still deserves it.
Oh, thank god. Although I’ve known many managers who openly say that they throw out the application of anyone who mentions “work/life balance”, so unfortunately it’s a real sentiment.
A fabrication based on a true story.
Yes, a cautionary tale.
“love the uncertainty”
Yeah, nothing like insecurity. Everyone fucking loves the shit outta that fucking shit! Gimme it all. I want nerve wracking, potential poverty around every corner. That’s the ticket!
Seriously though, WTF is wrong with this person?
Entrepreneur brain, stage 4, terminal
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You get this with startups. There’s always some pillock who reckons that just because your employee number 17 means that somehow you should be as invested as they are despite the fact that you’re getting the wage you’re getting regardless. If you weren’t a founding member, then it’s just a job.
Sure if they do really well as a company maybe you could ask for a raise, but it’s not a guarantee and it’s not directly mapped to the company’s success, so who cares.
If you ever work for a startup in the software industry make sure the base salary is good, because there’s no guarantee that any shares in the businesses will ever be worth the paper they’re written on. If the company does well, then great, but if it doesn’t you still need to have been compensated for your time, after all it’s not your fault that subscription-based water fountains didn’t catch on.
Tar and feathers… some ‘CEO’ make me to think about that old tradition.
I feel like anyone who says they love their work so much it doesn’t feel like work just doesn’t have an actual life that they like to live so work just beats out not working everytime.
they also aren’t doing any actual proper labor, just at the 19th hole having a “business lunch” with a “possible investor”
or “securing partnerships” by spending 2 days travelling for a 3 hour meeting
Does golf actually have more than 18 holes, or is this a sex joke?
Be kind: I don’t know golf…or jokes.
The 19th hole is the traditional joke name for the bar/restaurant that you go to after you finish playing. Not sure where you got sex from, but no, there is no sex involved in golf.
Oh that makes sense, thanks!
It’s the internet; it’s pretty safe to assume sex (or sex jokes), especially when holes are mentioned.
there is no sex involved in golf
Rule 34 says otherwise
I really enjoy my job. I spend my time solving problems and work on projects that improve the water supply for the country. I enjoy working late because I don’t have any meetings, so I am unburdened enough to actually work. I don’t think I could work more than 50 hours a week though.
There are exceptions to every rule. There are super lucky people for whom their job really is their hobby. Then, even if they do have a life , they can still find their work doesn’t feel like work. Life is not fair - it’s not shitty for everyone equally.
I think there are people who love their job me included. The clients and co workers make it a bad experience.
I fucking love not working! I prioritize time spent not working over time working every day of my life.
sits back and waits for people to insinuate about my work quality
na, they’re just lying. people at the top work far less than anyone else.
Their work is primarily flogging the slaves to work harder.
I can see a young bachelor with no hobbies choosing that but if you have a family and do this then you might as well just say that avoiding them is your only hobby.
People who say that have ‘jobs’ where they blather and other people do work then money comes in.
Exactly. Not a life worth having.
I love my work, and at times I work long hours, nights, weekends, to meet specific goals or when there is an emeegency.
That is however the exception, not the rule.
I need my day to day to be smooth, I need my blend of work from home, so that when the high energy bursts do happen, I can handle it.
The idea of working at crisis levels all the time as standard is just insane to me, and suggests bad time management and expecations.
I wish someone wrote a “How to run a company ethically for dummies” book.
Because I want one
The grammar alone is enough of a red flag.
The good thing about startups, even the ceo can do long hours without any rest without a team!
You can always say you are passionate about your job, and then after they hire you, you limit yourself to contractual obligations. It’s that easy.
Dude, you’re pulling 80 hour weeks for your company. That you own. Expecting the same input from people who will never see as much as a percentage of what you stand to make off of their success is delusional. But I suppose delusion is almost a requirement for these kind of people.
Yeah, 100%. This kind of advice can maybe make sense if you’re starting a startup, but everyone employed at that stage needs to be on equal ground and well-protected. If they’re not, then that can still be fine, but they can’t be expected to put as much of their lives into your product. They’re contractors you’re hiring for some shit-shoveling and maybe it’s best to be honest about that.
The unfortunate thing in tech is that, due to pushing “learning to code” as a universal employment option, there’s always a pool of idealistic fresh blood that is willing to crunch for you if you make vague mention of being in it together, when a few people stand to gain the vast majority of the profit if the company’s product is successful. By the time the new recruits are old and bitter and burnt out, you can lay em off for poor performance (or cannibalize the company at large) and hire some more doe-eyed interns.
If you’re expecting your employees to consistently work long hours for you, they need to have the same stake as you do. They need flexibility to take care of their mental and physical health as needed. You should encourage them to unionize and collectively bargain for their needs once they come in conflict with yours, because they absolutely will. You can’t afford to lose these people, because it’s rare to find people that won’t get ground into dust doing this because they want it as bad as you. so make it sustainable and more than worth their while. if you can’t find these people? maybe your app sucks, make a better one.
these types view themselves as above the labor they’re hiring because they got there first / had the means to form a company and I fucking hate it.
The vast majority of people who start at the beginning of a startup will receive equity, so they are also co-owners.
I agree in principle that start up employees can be incentivized better than the usual wage or salary slave.
There is always a big butt, though.
Non-capital investors almost always get shares of a lower class that can be denied a share of any future revenue from a sale of the company or god forbid they get real revenue.
These term “Hollywood accounting” exists for a reason and skepticism about the real value of lower class shares is very valid.
Maybe for employees like 1-5. Beyond that is rapidly diminishing amounts of equity. I was employee #49 and got like 40,000
sharesoptions (that I had to buy)And even if you are like employee #3, the actual owner and investors get more than you
Exactly, there is a place in the world for startups burning 80 hr/wk. Just compensate the people who are doing that adequately with equity, and hire risk takers who want that kind of risk.
Exactly!! Easy to pull so many hours when it is for your own business. But do not expect employees who could get fired or laid off any time at your own will to have the same commitment.
Personally theory…
Many startups fail because people try to work 80+hrs per week. Biologically more than about 25-30 hours of work is usually a waste of time. You can occasionally pull a long week but then you need to rest and recover to get back to full productivity. If you push beyond it often, you’ll make a shit ton of stupid mistakes that completely nullify all your efforts.
If you’ve ever been around someone “working” on hour 70+ during a week you’ll know what I mean. A five minute tasks takes them an hour and they generally fuck it up.
I’ve worked for a few startups (in software). They all failed because their idea was stupid, the executives were technically incompetent borderline sociopaths, and they weren’t even good at getting VCs to throw money at them. Some employees worked insane hours while others of us fucked off most of the time and came to work high - it made no difference.
I think what he said about startups is more pr less true. Of course, with startups you’re putting in a lot of work to break into or create a new market, and you get a percentage of that company, too. It certainly isn’t for everyone, and most people don’t want to do it for their whole career. And expecting that kind of attitude from a regular employee is simply ridiculous.
Depends how much equity they give their employees
I’d only be willing to put in long hours for little pay at a startup if they agreed to give me shares in the company when I left.
Yeah they talk about equity but were they offering it to this position?
Also, fuck that dude regardless.
I worked at a startup for a couple of years in the '90s. The equity was “we’ll take care of you”. Spoiler: they did not take care of me.
That’s literally not equity (which I think is your point).
That was literally my point.
That is always the case, you get a very generous part of the equity, which at that time is worth nothing, with the hope that in a number of years you can cash out and move from a dingy basement to a tropical island.
If they don’t offer a this very generous equity, run away immediately.
And then they either water down the equity you have or get aquihired or some other bullshit.
Aquihired means immediate vesting of all your equity and you can cash out in the short term (usually no later than 1 year, often immediately) sometimes with the condition that you stay employed for a certain amount of time if you are high enough.
