UPDATE: Busted by the Verge, sorry everybody. Fuck.
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Article: Tesla Allegedly Disables Rapper’s Cybertruck After Song Critique.
Mr “freedom of speech absolutionist” hard at work I see
Lol, Cybercucks getting what they deserve. Don’t drive a swasticar if you don’t want consequences. It was Tesla, this time. Next time, it could just be a citizen looking to enact a bit of justice.
Inb4 douchebags defending their Tesla because they bought it “before Elon was crazy”. Your lack of awareness does not excuse your bad choices. Sell your Tesla.
Selling your Tesla is an odd take. To whom are condoning the purchase of a Tesla?
To some asshole who will still buy a Tesla, duh
You are dividing the working class just like the billionaires want you to do. You are demanding that people make a sacrifice of tens of thousands of dollars to accomplish very little.
This is another fucking purity test that divides the left and makes us incapable of handling the existential threat that is the republican party.
People who bought cybertrucks? Yeah, fuck 'em. Elon’s right-wing bullshit was very public by the point the cybertruck was released. Those people aren’t with us anyway.
But you’re discounting over a million people in the US, who generally lean very left, who generally also have the finances to help support political action against this extraordinarily corrupt and dangerous right-wing regime.
Kill the snake, then we can go back to squabbling.
I’m focusing the working class by denigrating those who fund a billionaire, which comes at the cost of at least forty to fifty thousand dollars per item (car)?
Really, dude? Are you that disconnected from all us poor people?
Time for a sequel to “United Breaks Guitars.”
“Tesla bricked me truuuk.”
Jesse is fuckin great
Goddamn I love Jesse Welles.
He’s moved in a more folk-ish direction the past couple of years but there’s a video on YouTube of his three-piece doing a very grunge cover of Father John Misty’s Hollywood Cemetery Sings that is IMO legit better than the original
I became a fan after the folk move, but I was genuinely surprised that he was closer to my age than I had realized. I thought he was in his early 20s.
“CEOs come and go, and one just went”
Cracks me up
I doubt this
Not first time this happened: https://edition.cnn.com/2024/09/20/business/chechnya-kadyrov-musk-tesla-cybertruck-disabled
For those who don’t know, this shit is protected by the freedom of speech
Not quite, Tesla is not a part of the government.
… yet.
And by the time they are, there will be no such thing as freedom of speech.
Yes, but they can retaliate with petty shit in this way. All freedom of speech means is that there are no criminal charges against him for doing this - the government isn’t coming after him.
Yeah, but you could sue for damages and win pretty easy
Easy? Doubtful. They’d have to rule on the validity of the T&Cs first.
and don’t forget the huge amount of legal fees to fight it
The Cybertruck owner would certainly have standing to kick off a lawsuit. But yeah, the validity of the contract is in question.
Yeah, that’s literally not how any of this constitutional stuff works.
Free speech is your right to say what you think without the government censoring you. But it has limits and common misunderstandings:
It’s not a “free-for-all.” You can’t yell “Fire!” in a crowded theater just to cause a panic. You can’t tell lies about someone to ruin their reputation (that’s called defamation).
It doesn’t apply to private companies. Your boss can fire you for saying something they don’t like. Twitter (X) can ban you from their platform. A restaurant can kick you out for being rude. These are private entities with their own rules, not the government.
Analogy: The First Amendment means the police can’t arrest you for wearing a shirt that says “The Mayor is a cunt.” However, your boss at a private company can still fire you for wearing that same shirt to work if they think it’s unprofessional.
See shit posts like this are why I’m in favor of dismantling the department of education, if it produces such ignorant outcomes, it creates more harm than good.
At least if you were an uneducated hick from some Boondock wastewater town, I could have a shred of understanding for not having had the opportunity to pay attention in 3rd grade social studies.
Fucking red hat wearing so called constitutionalists who literally don’t know what it fucking says.
Nice wall of self-righteous pseudo-intellectual bullshit you have there. Maybe try being constructive next time instead of letting a stranger on the internet rustle your jimmies.
pseudo-intellectual bullshit
They are 100% correct mate, everything they wrote is right. Just because you lack the capacity to understand something, doesn’t make it bullshit…
They’re right, they’re also an asshole with a superiority complex.
Never said they were wrong about the application of the first amendment, because they’re not. They just absolutely ruined what could have been a teaching comment by being a condescending asshole.
Lol, are you actually getting downvoted for all this?
Everything this person wrote is correct. Free Speech protects you from the government, not other individuals.
Free speech isn’t explicitly a legal definition, let’s not talk past each other by using different definitions for the same word.
The notion is explicitly a legal definition in America.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
It’s right there. The government cannot fuck with you for talking shit, but anyone else can.
Prime American defaultism
Which, seeing as cybertrucks aren’t allowed to be sold in europe, means we are effectively talking about america here, ain’t we? Oh, AND the comment that kicked all this off (by aramova) was definitely talking about american law, so we know that at least four comments above yours the topic’s relevance had already been narrowed. We can probably make the conclusion that the very top comment was referring to american law too, since they are presumably intelligent enough to know that the article was talking about a rapper from america, AND very few other places have citizens that use the phrase freedom of speech because their laws are different (and americans get all ‘religious-frenzied’ about their bill of rights).
It’s less “american defaultism” than “we’re talking about america right now, dipstick.”
They’re getting down voted for the paragraphs at the end angrily accusing someone who misunderstood something of supporting the Republican party
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Free speech protects you from the government oppressing your speech, not a private corporation.
The second amendment only protects free speech from government actions.
Free speech is still being suppressed here.
Um…
Just say it.
These guys are tender.
We talk trash on european cars since ever. Brands and models alike. Nobody cares. And getting a car that was paid for blocked because someone feels the brand is being hurt would trigger a shit storm.
When are you guys going to push Tesla to the bin?
I don’t think the rapper was even criticizing them. I think he was literally singing their praises.
Cybertruck’s basically are in the bin. They have recalled them so many times and no longer have a sales campaign for them. Sure some get sold, but I bet fElon is giving a lot of them away to friends or sold under govt contract.
The problem is that doesn’t really change stonk value. Tesla sells dreams and lies… cars just happen to be a useful byproduct.
“Free speech absolutist”
LOL registered previously in your name OR in your possession…
So Tesla doesn’t even give a shit if the guy still owns the vehicle, they deactivated it because he owned it at one point in time.
He could have sold it to some poor fuck who now has a bricked Cyber truck and Tesla don’t give a fuck.
I thought it was forbidden by tesla to resell these things?
and now you know why
They tried that with the Founders Series but they walked back after they found out sales were slow.
This is what happens when you buy a car from a tech company. There is no reason that a Ts&Cs should ever come with a car - but here we are. For now, avoid any company that does things like this. Top of mind are Tesla and BMW
Calling it buying is the problem. It is proprietary internet connected garbage. It is a rental you paid buyer money for. No one owns a Tesla. No Tesla is for sale, and neither is any car that runs proprietary internet connect software. Someone else ultimately controls it. That person is the real owner. Primitive idiots struggle to understand this exceptionally simple concept. Terms and conditions are you selling your rights as a citizen willing to become a slave to someone else. It isn’t normal. It exists because people are not smart enough to say no and stand up for themselves. I don’t rent one of these shit cars, or watch TV with terms and conditions, or run shitty operating systems, or stalkerware whore myself to bezos’ camera on the front of my home as a doorbell. None of this is actually normal. It’s fools selling their rights as citizens in a democracy for peanuts and IOUs.
Similarly, if you piss off Ferrari, they’ll ban you from buying another.
Yeah but they won’t take away the one you have
Give them a few years. If it’s not explicitly illegal every car company will do eventually.
Depends. Some of them require a full Ferrari support crew and can only run at Ferrari-approved tracks.
Yeah we don’t really care about the rights a few billionaires may have to play with the toys whose cost could have fed countless families.
My outrage only works up to a… Idk, 300k€ price?
300k€
I choose to read this as 300 kiloeuro.
Which would work as intended no? 1 kiloeuro would be 1000 euros ergo 300000 euros. Maybe I’m just dumb and that was the point if so carry on lol
Absolutely. I’m just accustomed to seeing the currency sign on the left and prefix abbreviation on the right (ex. €300k). Generally, it gets “expanded” to thousand, million, etc. So, three-hundred thousand euro. The things that amused me is thinking of a kiloeuro as a measurement unit, rather than a currency unit.
This guy metrics.
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My late friend Robotech_Master once said to me that there are things too bad to be true
Man, if all electric cars can do this bullshit, then I think I’m gonna just be stuck with an internal combustion engine no matter how bad they are for the environment.
Ain’t no way I’m gonna get into a vehicle that can be remotely disabled by a jackass.
This isn’t specific to electric cars, vehicles equipped with On Star can be remotely disabled in the event of theft (and by extension I imagine a legal injunction). I imagine this extends to other vehicles also.
The real problem is the OTA updates and always-online nature of modern vehicles, not necessarily what powers them.
At least w/ OnStar, there are documented ways to disable it, and it’s honestly not all that difficult (basically remove power to the OnStar device). Some cars are more integrated, so disabling that crap is a lot more difficult w/o breaking anything important.
No for sure I hear what you’re saying, onstar was just a handy example, other vehicles have OTA updates also and systems to disable the vehicle.
My point was the tech isn’t specific to BEV it’s becoming a “feature” in modern cars more broadly
Absolutely. If you care about this, search for a YT video or something about how to disable it, and they’ll walk you through it and list the caveats. For example, sometimes it’ll just show a warning on the infotainment center, and other times unrelated functions will break.
BEVs certainly started the trend, but once they showed people will put up w/ it, combustion vehicles followed suit.
Yes, but I don’t have to buy a car with OnStar in it. It seems like every electric car has these OTA features at least in the states. In internal combustion cars that can avoid those features. I’d be more than happy to buy any one of these electric cars if I control the updates and there’s no always on connection.
Except that it’s all cars that do this why would the car being powered by electricity have any bearing. All cars have computers these days.
No, there’s a few incredibly cheap cars that do not have these features. Also, I’ll just buy used cars. These features don’t exist in hardly any car before, like, 2015.
These devices exist as aftermarket ad-ons and are frequently added by used car dealerships.
I’m fairly sure my car from 2016 has an immobiliser in it. In theory, if the car company wanted to utterly destroy their reputation, they could activate it.
The best defence against this is just how moronically stupid doing so would be. Every other car company knows this.
Yes but most cars with an immobilizer can not be remotely activated unless a specific system is installed which is normally offered as a premium feature. Like if I had a keyless start Ford from 2014 Ford couldn’t remotely shut that car off.
Theft.
You wouldn’t un-download a car would you??
Upload a car?
Assuming this is real, I don’t see how this is legal? There’s no way Tesla would win in court under any sane judge. If they bought the car outright and fully own it (i.e. didn’t lease it from Tesla), then that is the car owner’s property. The manufacturer can’t, effectively, sabotage your property without consequence. I truly hope this is not real, and if it is, they bring this to court ASAP and get precedent to squash this type of insanity right off the bat. If Tesla gets away with this bullshit–again, if it’s real–then other companies will very likely begin following suit.
I mean… It depends on the terms you sign while purchasing.
I dunno if they still do this, but over a decade ago, Apple used to put in their Terms of Service that (paraphrasing) you are only paying for the service associated with an iPhone. The physical hardware is on loan to you and still belongs to the company, and they have the right to do whatever they want with it as their property. Deactivate it remotely, recall it, wipe it, etc.
During tech expo’s, Apple would remotely disable features of any iPhone in the area so you couldn’t take photos, record video, connect to the Internet, etc. while you were on the show floor. You had to leave the event before your phone’s capabilities returned.
Tesla, dealing in an electronic vehicle that is connected remotely to their services, could absolutely do one of these legal contracts during the sale. And if you sign it, you have no legal leg to stand on when they disable and/or recall your vehicle.
Illegal contracts ain’t contracts
Binding arbitration is completely legal in glorious Republicanastan.
Assuming this is real, I don’t see how this is legal? There’s no way Tesla would win in court under any sane judge. If they bought the car outright and fully own it (i.e. didn’t lease it from Tesla), then that is the car owner’s property.
I’m fairly certain that it won’t go before a judge. If Tesla doesn’t have a forced arbitration clause https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbitration_clause in their contracts I would be truly surprised.
The manufacturer can’t, effectively, sabotage your property without consequence.
I don’t own a Tesla and dont have access to a US contract, but it wouldnt be far fetched that there’s something in there about Tesla reserving the right to use a kill switch at their discretion.
I truly hope this is not real,
You and me both. But we live in a stupid timeline, and I can no longer tell what’s outrageously real and what’s rage bait.
I don’t own a Tesla and dont have access to a US contract, but it wouldnt be far fetched that there’s something in there about Tesla reserving the right to use a kill switch at their discretion.
In any sane country, one of the hundreds of consumer protection laws would have a judge laugh as they threw it out.
In any sane country
Yes, which is why I explicitly mentioned the US. Do this shit in Europe and there would be hell to pay.
any sane country
USA has left the chat
There hasn’t even been a new privacy law at the national level since the 1980s.
You’re assuming the court judges aren’t just paid schills for corporate interests.
The loophole is that while you own the car, you only license the software that allows it to run. They didn’t take the car away, “just” terminated the license 🤬
As much as this sounds real, it’s not.
We have a picture of the letter in this post. If you have any proof, the onus is on you to provide it.
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Cool, thanks homie.
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